Times Free Press - Jonathan Crompton

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SDV said:
Let's not kid ourselves. He was a 5 star monumental bust until his last year. Not that he deserved what he went though but he sucked
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I agree he was a bust, but the coaching staff turnover really didn't do him any favors. It was never a question of physical ability or arm talent with him. If I remember correctly, he was the 2nd rated pro-style QB in the country that year behind Mark Sanchez.

His quote about Kiffin I'm sure is unpopular with Tennessee fans but it is true; he actually did turn him into a competent QB.

As for the comments he received from fans, those are despicable but unfortunately I am not the least bit surprised.
 
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05_never_again said:
I agree he was a bust, but the coaching staff turnover really didn't do him any favors. It was never a question of physical ability or arm talent with him. If I remember correctly, he was the 2nd rated pro-style QB in the country that year behind Mark Sanchez.

His quote about Kiffin I'm sure is unpopular with Tennessee fans but it is true; he actually did turn him into a competent QB.

As for the comments he received from fans, those are despicable but unfortunately I am not the least bit surprised.
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Turnover didn't hurt him. Turnover is what allowed him a season under Kiffin to finally show what he could do

Also, I'm not surprised about the fans either. I've seen some extremely vile Vol fans and how they can act after games. Having said that, that kind of behavior happens at every school (not suggesting that makes it any less reprehensible). I know a former Navy kicker who got death threats for missing a kick in the Army Navy game
 
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KBVol said:
He wasn't "lucky". He recruited well enough that Peyton trusted him and wanted to come play for and work with him. And he did such an outstanding job developing Peyton that he further earned the full trust of Eli. In both cases, I think he did his job very well and earned the right to coach both the Manning boys.
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When both Peyton and Eli went to Duke in their NFL off seasons for continuing instruction, that closes the book on what pros, not fans, think of CDC.:hi:
 
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Kiffen milked the senior performance out of Crompton. Brilliant, brilliant coaching of a mediocre talent. As for the fans, yeah there are idiots out there, but Crompton set the stage for a good bit of it by saying, when he signed with UT, "Ainge better learn to play tight end." When you say stuff like that you better be able to back it up when you get your chance.
 
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Stonewall83 said:
I knew Jon a little bit from my days tending bar on the strip, I ALWAYS thought he was a great guy. His dad was a 100% dick from what I remember, he never missed an opportunity to call into a local radio show and criticize the coaches and fans.

Having said that JC deserved better.... he always had a 10 on his arm so I never felt too terrible for him.
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His dad showed up at a volquest gathering ready to fight several people. Needless to say that was the last time the volquest staff organized a get-together.
 
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LoudOrange said:
His dad showed up at a volquest gathering ready to fight several people. Needless to say that was the last time the volquest staff organized a get-together.
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That actually sounds awesome. We could do our very own "airing of grievances". Festivus for Football!!
 
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05_never_again said:
I agree he was a bust, but the coaching staff turnover really didn't do him any favors. It was never a question of physical ability or arm talent with him. If I remember correctly, he was the 2nd rated pro-style QB in the country that year behind Mark Sanchez.

His quote about Kiffin I'm sure is unpopular with Tennessee fans but it is true; he actually did turn him into a competent QB.

As for the comments he received from fans, those are despicable but unfortunately I am not the least bit surprised.
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I wouldnt call him a bust -- the recruiting services apparently didnt take into account, the level of competition his high school played - therefore making him high in the rankings -- that other guy you mentioned Sanchez, now that is a bust, and how he hangs around the NFL is beyond me
 
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and am glad someone beat me to it.

I know I'm about to take some hits for saying this, but I really, really wish someone would reach out to JC and make him welcome.

Kid gave his all for Tennessee, and is definitely a VFL.

He and his family were treated badly by fans in the stadium, and comments on this and other forums.

He admits it was a minority of fans, of course, but we all know that is all it takes to alter your perspective.

Left a particularly bad taste in his mouth, and after reading this article, I don't blame him one bit.

However, reading thru the article, it sure sounds to me like he would very much like to come home. We should all ask for the powers that be to bring this guy back as a VFL, which is what he is in his heart.

Flame away.
 
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golfballs said:
Turnover didn't hurt him. Turnover is what allowed him a season under Kiffin to finally show what he could do

Also, I'm not surprised about the fans either. I've seen some extremely vile Vol fans and how they can act after games. Having said that, that kind of behavior happens at every school (not suggesting that makes it any less reprehensible). I know a former Navy kicker who got death threats for missing a kick in the Army Navy game
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Food for thought since you believe turnover didn't hurt his career. 1st oc Randy Sanders (the guy who brought him in was oc 2005 when crompton redshirted).
2nd oc David Cutcliffe (stayed his redshirt freshmen and sophomore years).
3rd oc Dave Clawson ( junior year trainwreck in which the offense was terrible and led to Fulmers dismissal.
4th oc Jim Cheney/ Lane kiffin ( light came on for crompton in this system, and kiffin had recruited him to USC so he fit kiffins a system).

4 offensive coordinators in 5 years is why Crompton never lived up to the hype. With some stability he would've been a great qb, most likely had Fulmer never hired clawson he would've never lost his confidence and been very good.
 
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508mikey said:
Should have found someone more loyal --
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How many successful OCs give up a chance to run their own program? Fulmer didn't. What you call "loyal" reads more as no ambition and consigned to a lesser role.
 
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I really really love my vols, but i must confess that if someone I knew or didnt know would have told a player that he wished him and his family would die in a car crash I would have went barkley on them and beat the hell out of them myself. Thats just simply disgusting. No excuse for it in any way.

With the above being said I hope that crompton understands that whoever the piece of garbage is that said that to his family is not a accurate representation of our fan base.
 
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jarnol32 said:
Food for thought since you believe turnover didn't hurt his career. 1st oc Randy Sanders (the guy who brought him in was oc 2005 when crompton redshirted).
2nd oc David Cutcliffe (stayed his redshirt freshmen and sophomore years).
3rd oc Dave Clawson ( junior year trainwreck in which the offense was terrible and led to Fulmers dismissal.
4th oc Jim Cheney/ Lane kiffin ( light came on for crompton in this system, and kiffin had recruited him to USC so he fit kiffins a system).

4 offensive coordinators in 5 years is why Crompton never lived up to the hype. With some stability he would've been a great qb, most likely had Fulmer never hired clawson he would've never lost his confidence and been very good.
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I pointed that out years ago to the sheep on this board and they still wanted to call Crompton a bum. They guy never got a chance until he finally got good coaching his senior year.
 
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butchna said:
How many successful OCs give up a chance to run their own program? Fulmer didn't. What you call "loyal" reads more as no ambition and consigned to a lesser role.
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Cutcliffe left once why bring back a guy that you know will leave again -- see Lincoln Riley as an example -- he could have took one of those numerous HC jobs last season but stayed at OU and it paid off
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Who should really get credit for Crompton: Cutcliffe or Kiffin?
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Kiffin definitely gets credit for recognizing that Crompton had physical tools but the game wasn't going to slow down for him unless he really simplified things. I don't think I've ever seen a more confused QB with better tools than JC before midway through his Senior year.
 
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Reports were that Cut didn't think very highly of JC. Cut thought Coleman would be qb in 2008 if he'd stayed. Supposedly Cut spent much more time with Ainge and Coleman than he did Crompton.

Before you call this bull**** it came from some good sources and made sense. Last thing Cut was going to do was give Ainge any reason to be concerned about being replaced. The 2005 season tanked cause his ego couldn't stand sharing PT witH Clausen.
 
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wmcovol said:
Reports were that Cut didn't think very highly of JC. Cut thought Coleman would be qb in 2008 if he'd stayed. Supposedly Cut spent much more time with Ainge and Coleman than he did Crompton.

Before you call this bull**** it came from some good sources and made sense. Last thing Cut was going to do was give Ainge any reason to be concerned about being replaced. The 2005 season tanked cause his ego couldn't stand sharing PT witH Clausen.
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Yeah that 2005 with Clausen was a disaster --- dumb move Clausen had no business playing --
 
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wmcovol said:
Reports were that Cut didn't think very highly of JC. Cut thought Coleman would be qb in 2008 if he'd stayed. Supposedly Cut spent much more time with Ainge and Coleman than he did Crompton.

Before you call this bull**** it came from some good sources and made sense. Last thing Cut was going to do was give Ainge any reason to be concerned about being replaced. The 2005 season tanked cause his ego couldn't stand sharing PT witH Clausen.
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I've heard the exact same thing.

I'll never forget 2006 in Columbia. Erik Ainge rolled his ankle on QB draw and Compton had to come in and run 4 minute offense to put the game away. First play, rather than handing it off and running clock, he steps away from center and starts audibling to what had to be a throw because half the sideline looked like they were having a seizure trying to call timeout.
 
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KBVol said:
He wasn't "lucky". He recruited well enough that Peyton trusted him and wanted to come play for and work with him. And he did such an outstanding job developing Peyton that he further earned the full trust of Eli. In both cases, I think he did his job very well and earned the right to coach both the Manning boys.
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Peyton went to see Cut many times during his NFL career for tweaking of his mechanics
 
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jarnol32 said:
Food for thought since you believe turnover didn't hurt his career. 1st oc Randy Sanders (the guy who brought him in was oc 2005 when crompton redshirted).
2nd oc David Cutcliffe (stayed his redshirt freshmen and sophomore years).
3rd oc Dave Clawson ( junior year trainwreck in which the offense was terrible and led to Fulmers dismissal.
4th oc Jim Cheney/ Lane kiffin ( light came on for crompton in this system, and kiffin had recruited him to USC so he fit kiffins a system).

4 offensive coordinators in 5 years is why Crompton never lived up to the hype. With some stability he would've been a great qb, most likely had Fulmer never hired clawson he would've never lost his confidence and been very good.
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I agree with this as a big part of the problem. Further, none of the QBs in 2008 wanted to play for Clawson. All complained about him. IMO, Clawson is an outstanding coach but takes a while to warm up to.. that group just never did and then the season tanked
 
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GAVol said:
I've heard the exact same thing.

I'll never forget 2006 in Columbia. Erik Ainge rolled his ankle on QB draw and Compton had to come in and run 4 minute offense to put the game away. First play, rather than handing it off and running clock, he steps away from center and starts audibling to what had to be a throw because half the sideline looked like they were having a seizure trying to call timeout.
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This is funny because I thought I was the only one that remembered this!

Lol-The sideline, especially the coached became animated and unglued!!
 
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