Time to bring back athletic dorms???

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bluetickhound16

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I think any sort of curfew would be a heck of a lot easier to enforce if the NCAA (or is it just the SEC???) would reinstate the availability of athetic dorms.... I know folks still got in trouble while Gibbs hall was home to a lot of the team but I'm just throwing the idea out there.... What say ye, VN???
 
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From my understanding, a student or students complained that the athletes were getting special privileges when they were all housed together so they stopped making it a rule. It was about the same time we started having all this trouble from what I hear.

If this is all true, then yes it is time to revisit this situation. It seems that it would be much easier to make sure everyone was accounted for at appropriate curfew times.
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lateknight said:
From my understanding, a student or students complained that the athletes were getting special privileges when they were all housed together so they stopped making it a rule. It was about the same time we started having all this trouble from what I hear.

If this is all true, then yes it is time to revisit this situation. It seems that it would be much easier to make sure everyone was accounted for at appropriate curfew times.
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I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to house athletes in a dorm without allowing the some of the normal student population to be house there.

EDIT: Yeah, it is.
 
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lateknight said:
From my understanding, a student or students complained that the athletes were getting special privileges when they were all housed together so they stopped making it a rule. It was about the same time we started having all this trouble from what I hear.

If this is all true, then yes it is time to revisit this situation. It seems that it would be much easier to make sure everyone was accounted for at appropriate curfew times.
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The NCAA outlawed athletic dorms after schools, Kentucky being the biggest example, constructed dorms for athletes that made the Four Seasons look trashy. The "Wildcat Lodge' is pretty infamous for its luxury and its parties. Google it.

There was definitely trouble before that, because upperclassmen were still allowed to live off-campus, but the underclassmen could be looked after with a strict curfew.

The NCAA will never revisit the situation, they don't trust schools to not cheat with it. It was also a Title IX issue, if you house male athletes in a palatial estate, then you've got to house female athletes in something similar.

As far as Gibbs Hall, all male freshmen and most sophomore scholarship athletes live there. Athletes have the option to remain there in future years, but most choose not to. If they live off-campus, they receive a stipend for the cost of room and board. Per athletic department policy, the head coach has to sign off on a student-athlete moving off-campus. Same goes for female athletes, they all live in the same dorm their first year, and have to have coach approval to move off-campus.

The NCAA does not allow for any dorm to be more than 50% athletes. Others that live in Gibbs are band members, scholarship ROTC students and the honors students that receive endowed scholarships from the School of Engineering. The Engineering kids may have moved to Morrill a couple of years ago, not 100% sure on that. Also counting as "normal students" at Gibbs are the male managers for all sports and other that receive scholarships from the UTAD.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The NCAA outlawed athletic dorms after schools, Kentucky being the biggest example, constructed dorms for athletes that made the Four Seasons look trashy. The "Wildcat Lodge' is pretty infamous for its luxury and its parties. Google it.

There was definitely trouble before that, because upperclassmen were still allowed to live off-campus, but the underclassmen could be looked after with a strict curfew.

The NCAA will never revisit the situation, they don't trust schools to not cheat with it. It was also a Title IX issue, if you house male athletes in a palatial estate, then you've got to house female athletes in something similar.

As far as Gibbs Hall, all male freshmen and most sophomore scholarship athletes live there. Athletes have the option to remain there in future years, but most choose not to. If they live off-campus, they receive a stipend for the cost of room and board. Per athletic department policy, the head coach has to sign off on a student-athlete moving off-campus. Same goes for female athletes, they all live in the same dorm their first year, and have to have coach approval to move off-campus.

The NCAA does not allow for any dorm to be more than 50% athletes. Others that live in Gibbs are band members, scholarship ROTC students and the honors students that receive endowed scholarships from the School of Engineering. The Engineering kids may have moved to Morrill a couple of years ago, not 100% sure on that. Also counting as "normal students" at Gibbs are the male managers for all sports and other that receive scholarships from the UTAD.
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True. It's not like the athletes generate millions of dollars for the university or anything.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
I think any sort of curfew would be a heck of a lot easier to enforce if the NCAA (or is it just the SEC???) would reinstate the availability of athetic dorms.... I know folks still got in trouble while Gibbs hall was home to a lot of the team but I'm just throwing the idea out there.... What say ye, VN???
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I've been arguing for years that it would be much easier for the coaches to keep up with what their players are doing if they are all housed in one place. Common sense doesn't seem to be a strong point of the NCAA.
 
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it would also be easier if local establishments that sold alcoholic beverages would i.d. and not allow anyone under the age of 21 to enter regardless of their status in life. even if it is a club there could be an age restriction after a certain time of day. it is not hard especially when there are already bouncers in place. not hard for a business to protect themselves by enforcing a simple solution. policing kids in a dorm won't solve stupid, but area businesses could help themselves and the students by enforcing age restrictions.
 
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Gibbs houses most younger scholarship athletes and many regular students. I had two friends who lived there just because they liked the food. Most guys eventually move to Vol Hall (pretty much the entire basketball team is there) or an off-campus place like The Woodlands.
 
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Athletic dorms would solve nothing and would, in fact, increase that athlete's perception that they are above normal students.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
The NCAA does not allow for any dorm to be more than 50% athletes. Others that live in Gibbs are band members, scholarship ROTC students and the honors students that receive endowed scholarships from the School of Engineering. The Engineering kids may have moved to Morrill a couple of years ago, not 100% sure on that. Also counting as "normal students" at Gibbs are the male managers for all sports and other that receive scholarships from the UTAD.
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And just plain ole normal students too.

MikeHamiltonFan said:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/104011-gibbs-needs-makeover.html

Gibbs needs to be renovated. It should also not be significantly more strict in enforcing drinking rules than North Carrick, Reese or the fraternity houses.
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Gibbs RAs are just as lenient as everywhere else.
 
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I think that getting rid of the dorms was a huge mistake. You had everyone in one place and it was much easier to keep an eye on them.

I do think the NCAA actually has the students best interest at heart. I think they are a bull**** organization that is very self serving.
 
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justingroves said:
And just plain ole normal students too.
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There are "normal" students, but outside of the band and ROTC kids, I don't know of very many that don't have some connection to the UTAD, whether its parents "knowing" somebody or something like that, but nobody's getting in Gibbs just by checking that box on their housing form. There are almost always empty rooms there.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Athletic dorms would make it much easier to enforce a curfew than having the players spread out.
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Curfew would have to be an NCAA rule for that to make a difference, and right now, not many schools are having the same problems we are having. We would not have a curfew if it wasn't a rule, too much of a recruiting restriction.

The only thing that an athlete's only dorm would result in is extravagant dorms for the athletes. It would also make the athlete feel bigger than the average student.
 
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