Tim Banks comments on defensive performance vs UF (2022)

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LAVol1 said:
UNLESS Venables doesn't cut it at OU. If OU fires Venables, Heupel will be their next hire--no matter the cost.
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Heupel won't go.

He's at his permanent stop. He's a South Dakota boy, Oklahoma is not his dream job. He remembers being a player there fondly, and an assistant coach and coordinator there not nearly so fondly.

He's home. He's staying put. Dan White and Donde Plowman will make sure he's comfortable. Josh isn't going anywhere.
 
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The Original Fade said:
“stats don’t always tell the story”…….bet if his group was playing lights out they would
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Could it be that Banks is getting the most out of what he has to work with? For the most part, I really liked what I saw from the front 7. We just don't have good DBs. It does seem that with over 20 DB's on the roster, we could find players that could do a better job than some of our current starters. Is Martinez the real problem? Banks has coached DB's, so if Martinez is the problem, Banks should be aware of it.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Ah, now I understand.

You "said before the season started." So you have a bias. You have an agenda. And you want yourself to be proven right.

Your argument is illogical. Just about everyone on this board can see it is illogical. Practically no one here wants to fire anyone from Heupel & Co. Just about everyone here believes they're doing a fine job given the conditions of the program when they arrived 20 months ago.

It's not a good look for you, calling for heads when we're 4-0 and ranked #8 in the country. Looks immature and agenda-driven. Or even trollish.

But...you do you, brother.
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Yeah that’s clearly it. I am biased. I have an agenda. Lol. No you know what I want? A good DB coach who is good enough to develop the guys he has. You know like say UKs DB coach or SC.

Your claim about everyone sees it as illogical? Your conjecture is duly noted. You are using “they.” I don’t want the coaching staff fired. As a matter of fact quite the opposite. The vast majority of this coaching staff has done a tremendous job. But please by all means, tell me how Martinez has done such a great job. Please. Like I said last year we were one of the worst pass defenses in the SEC. So far? We are dead last. You can sugar cost it or paint rainbows all you like. But we just made one of the worst passing QBs in the SEC look like Cam Newton. I guess that’s ‘serine’s doing a fine job huh? I guess seeing our DBs miss tackles, get torched, be out of position that’s all fine well and good right?

So please tell me what’s wrong with wanting a better DB coach? Why is that such a horrible thing? Coaches upgrade their staffs all the time. Now we have a lot of football left. Martinez could definitely change my mind on him. And if he does get this secondary playing much better? Then that will be great. But let me ask you this, if we wind up dead last in the SEC in pass defense, will you still be singing the same tune you are now?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Love that podcast. But I don’t see how the defense isn’t exactly as bad as it seemed. We all
Know the Sunseri defense has been the worst we have seen at TN. So in 2012, with Sunseri, we gave up 555 yards and 219 passing. Yet this past game against UF, we gave up 594 yards and 453 passing to a mediocre QB.
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I know he wasn’t great the last couple games but he’s not mediocre. He’s gaining experience and I think he’a healing from the injury at KY. They were so aggressive all game. We consistently got them to 3d and long and 4th downs. As these guys pointed out, Pearsall is really good and ran great routes. Several times our guys had perfect coverage but he ran an impossible route to cover.

And we played a scheme that assumed AR couldn’t beat us with his arm. Played aggressive against the run and to keep him from beating us with his legs. Turns out he can throw. They got over 100 of those passing yards in the last 5 minutes when we went into a soft prevent defense.

Our defense played incredible on 1st and 2d downs. Look back at the Pitt game, defense was great. Hopefully this was just an anomaly based on the gameplan. And maybe Burrell is better than we thought
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
I wanna like Coach Banks, but this level of coach-speak makes me feel a little bit uneasy, I must admit.
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I have said this before. This is the thing that is painful about our defense. Most of us are aware that we are experiencing absolute elite level quarterbacking these past two years. What is difficult to acknowledge is that if we had even a serviceable defense, one gets the feeling that this team would have a very, very high ceiling, something not achieved here in decades. This level of qb comes along not so often (for us at least) and it hurts to wonder when the stars will align again. yes I am aware of Nico's coming. But you wont see a position that fails more in college ball than a highly ranked high school qb. Way, way more of them under-achieve than ball out.
so I think that Banks gets a little bit of heat from this awareness of what a great and rare qb we lucked into. I do trust Hype to develop qbs better than the past, but look at Hook's stats. Unprecedented here in Knoxville I think.
 
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A Typical Vol Fan said:
Some quotes from Tim Banks at the Knoxville Quarterback Club:

“The stats don’t always tell the story… Being able to make the plays that we needed to make to give us a chance to be successful, that’s what we’re always looking for.”

“The only thing I’m concerned about is, ‘Did we win or did we lose?’… Winning plays give us a chance to be successful.”

“When we break down the tape, there are some things we would liked to have done betters… But to sit here and say it was the D-line or say it was the DBs, it’s always a combination. I think we’ve played some good defense for most of the season.”

Despite mistakes, Tim Banks proud of Vols' late-game grit in Florida win
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I wanna defend him here, but man that’s pretty bad stuff. Quit making excuses, understand and accept it’s an issue and be transparent, don’t act like Anthony Richardson putting up career highs in yards, completion’s was apart of the plan.. smh coach what’re you doing!!
 
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I don’t think there’s a single DB on this team that will ever play on Sundays. The secondary has Vanderbilt level talent. We’re asking Banks to make chicken salad out of chicken **** and getting mad at him for not being able to do it. There’s a reason they’re taking so many DBs in this recruiting class.
 
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Banks won’t be here in 2 more years. I suspect we see much of the same in year 3 and year 4. Heup will let someone else take the reigns by then
 
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T2P_Priceless said:
I know he wasn’t great the last couple games but he’s not mediocre. He’s gaining experience and I think he’a healing from the injury at KY. They were so aggressive all game. We consistently got them to 3d and long and 4th downs. As these guys pointed out, Pearsall is really good and ran great routes. Several times our guys had perfect coverage but he ran an impossible route to cover.

And we played a scheme that assumed AR couldn’t beat us with his arm. Played aggressive against the run and to keep him from beating us with his legs. Turns out he can throw. They got over 100 of those passing yards in the last 5 minutes when we went into a soft prevent defense.

Our defense played incredible on 1st and 2d downs. Look back at the Pitt game, defense was great. Hopefully this was just an anomaly based on the gameplan. And maybe Burrell is better than we thought
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Before our game AR was statistically one of the worst QBs in the SEC. He never came close to throwing for 400 yards and hasn’t thrown a TD pass. Even if he got 100 yards in the last 5 minutes, that still leaves him with over 300 for the game.

Think back to Ball State. People overlooked things because we destroyed them. But even they had WRs running open. If they would have had a decent QB, they likely would have scored more. They wouldn’t have beaten us but they could have our up another 2-3 TDS possibly.

We shall see if it’s an anomaly or not. LSU will tell us a lot. I don’t have much faith that the secondary can improve. Teams will see the blueprint to beat us now. Just throw the ball.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Banks won’t be here in 2 more years. I suspect we see much of the same in year 3 and year 4. Heup will let someone else take the reigns by then
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Heupel cannot give him 4 years. If he does not improve the defense by the end of year 3 then he should be gone.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Why on earth would you fire a guy midseason?
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I don’t know, it sounded like that’s what you wanted when you said something like “imagine a coach keeping a guy who downplays how bad his defense is…”. That sounds to me like you want Heupel to fire Banks. So my original question is if Heupel isn’t going to fire Banks then do we need to fire Heupel?
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
I have said this before. This is the thing that is painful about our defense. Most of us are aware that we are experiencing absolute elite level quarterbacking these past two years. What is difficult to acknowledge is that if we had even a serviceable defense, one gets the feeling that this team would have a very, very high ceiling, something not achieved here in decades. This level of qb comes along not so often (for us at least) and it hurts to wonder when the stars will align again. yes I am aware of Nico's coming. But you wont see a position that fails more in college ball than a highly ranked high school qb. Way, way more of them under-achieve than ball out.
so I think that Banks gets a little bit of heat from this awareness of what a great and rare qb we lucked into. I do trust Hype to develop qbs better than the past, but look at Hook's stats. Unprecedented here in Knoxville I think.
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Ok but you can’t ignore that the roster was absolutely decimated when Pruitt left, especially what was already a thin defense. The defense improved from Pruitt’s last year to Heupel’s first and the roster under Heupel was far worse. Obviously, part of their job is to improve that roster and we have a great defensive class coming in. Before we claim Banks can’t do this job think we need to give a little more time than 4 games into season 2, especially considering how the roster looked less than a season and a half ago.
 
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Smokeytom said:
Banks won’t be here in 2 more years. I suspect we see much of the same in year 3 and year 4. Heup will let someone else take the reigns by then
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If we don’t see improvement in that timeframe then that would totally make sense to make a change. 4 games into year 2 when his D actually has shown improvement is crazy. Most aren’t calling for Banks to be fired but some are.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Before our game AR was statistically one of the worst QBs in the SEC. He never came close to throwing for 400 yards and hasn’t thrown a TD pass. Even if he got 100 yards in the last 5 minutes, that still leaves him with over 300 for the game.

Think back to Ball State. People overlooked things because we destroyed them. But even they had WRs running open. If they would have had a decent QB, they likely would have scored more. They wouldn’t have beaten us but they could have our up another 2-3 TDS possibly.

We shall see if it’s an anomaly or not. LSU will tell us a lot. I don’t have much faith that the secondary can improve. Teams will see the blueprint to beat us now. Just throw the ball.
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I’m pretty sure coaches knew to throw the ball before the season even started based on our roster. Did you not already know we had major problems in the secondary? AR played a great game, it happens. Some was on us due to our scheme, some was due to poor execution and some was simply AR being on fire and a player making plays. Don’t forget he’s in a new offensive scheme too so maybe it’s taking a little bit for that to click with him. Think back to that long pass down the sidelines AR made on 4th down. That is such a low percentage throw and very risky but it was perfectly thrown. Sometimes players make plays. He’s the starting QB at Florida for a reason.
 
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Smokeytom said:
I’d be fine with him gone at the end of this year. There are better DC that I think would love to come here after seeing what Heup has done in just 18 months or so.
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Except when you’re firing your DC after 2 years when he has improved the defense using a thin roster I’d think that tends to turn other coaches off.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
I don’t know, it sounded like that’s what you wanted when you said something like “imagine a coach keeping a guy who downplays how bad his defense is…”. That sounds to me like you want Heupel to fire Banks. So my original question is if Heupel isn’t going to fire Banks then do we need to fire Heupel?
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Isn't going to fire Banks when? You never asked me how long he should get. You assumed I literally wanted him fired today.

I simply didn't like Banks answers. It sounded like he was downplaying their play because they won the game and make a few plays.
If Heupel is content with average to bad D play because he's scoring a lot of points, like it seems some big offense coaches are, I don't see him beating the Alabama's and Georgia's to win championships. That means he won't last long.
I just heard something I didn't like from a coach I'm really unimpressed with that I hope Heupel doesn't echo. Bit of a red flag to me. Not sure why VN lost their mind. Half of them want him fired. I've seen worry that if Banks is kept around he could be Heupels downfall if he doesn't improve the D. That's all I was saying, pointing at something he said.
The person I want to see fired 1st is Martinez. I've said that since he was 1st hired that he was a bad hire. If he is crippling the defense than that's not on Banks.
 
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