Tight End Outlook

#26
#26
GLDunlap said:
I agree Croom would have the potential to be a very good TE but he wants to play WR and that's what he was recruited as. Besides the OP was speaking specifically to 2012 and as it stands we have two TE's ready to play and that's it. You can throw out names of ten potential TE's but there isn't anyone that is going to be ready to play TE in the SEC in 2012 except for the two we currently have. The reason we suck right now is for three straight years all we have done is plug holes and that doesn't win games in the SEC.
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You could make the argument that Meredith and Croom wouldn't be ready, and I think if the coaches believe they can avoid it, Croom won't move. As for Bartholomew, making him more of an H-back was already the plan. I'm not sure why you are resistant to that. I'm not saying he's a true tight end, but he's a solid blocker who did show some potential as a receiver last season with 6 receptions for 54 yards. My point, however, is that there isn't any reason for panic. Bartholomew isn't 283 pounds, but he's a solid blocker. He will factor in as an H-back, and the coaches said that Brendan Downs has really developed as a blocker as well.
 
#27
#27
GLDunlap said:
I realize that but we're talking about a true TE no? Dooley loves running two TE sets he has said it from day one. Maybe your right and maybe with our WR's in 2012 we can mask the weakness with Bart at HB but to win in the SEC we can continue to lose potential like this not to mention what happens if Bart or Rivera gets injured. There is no way to sugar coat losing Cam, we were all salivating at his potential.
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Yes, with the key word being potential. Meredith has potential, too. Three months in the S&C program can do wonders for a player, and if he get to around 240, he can and will play.
 
#28
#28
UTGhostHunter said:
An injury is not the same thing as injury prone. That's the same ridiculous argument I've heard national analysts use with Bray and posters on this board argue that for Young. Having a lone injury isn't a string of injuries indicative of fragility.
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SJT is right, Meredith is injury prone. He has had trouble playing an entire season all throughout high school. He was only able to stay healthy for one year in high school.
 
#30
#30
UTGhostHunter said:
I'm not sure about the running back thing either. My best guess is he was think about Imani Cross who was committed but is now a Cornhusker. As for Bartholomew, it's been there, done that.
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I think the OP might be talking about the the RB out of Georgia in this upcoming class, Derrick Henry, 6'3 240. I don't believe we are in line to get him as of now though, so it might not matter.
 
#31
#31
UTGhostHunter said:
You could make the argument that Meredith and Croom wouldn't be ready, and I think if the coaches believe they can avoid it, Croom won't move. As for Bartholomew, making him more of an H-back was already the plan. I'm not sure why you are resistant to that. I'm not saying he's a true tight end, but he's a solid blocker who did show some potential as a receiver last season with 6 receptions for 54 yards. My point, however, is that there isn't any reason for panic. Bartholomew isn't 283 pounds, but he's a solid blocker. He will factor in as an H-back, and the coaches said that Brendan Downs has really developed as a blocker as well.
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Agree all around - especially about Croom. It's not like we have a ton of depth at WR.
 
#32
#32
This is asked out of complete ignorance, but would Clear even played that much? I've heard he could have done really well but I've also heard he may not have really even contributed. I know he started a couple of games last year.
 
#33
#33
UTGhostHunter said:
Allow me to provide a less bleak outlook. Justin Meredith has three more months in the strength and conditioning program before the season starts. Ben Bartholomew was already unlikely to line up at fullback much as the plan was to all but eliminate the position. We still have four players we can line up at the position, the world hasn't ended, and the Vols are still going to win games. We might be a little less effective in blocking at the tight end position.
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I agree. There is absolutely no need for a VN meltdown over a second or third string TE. It is obvious that they will only use the FB in special situations having moved Fugate and not recruiting any for the past three seasons. They will use the TE as an H-back for blocking and with a straight zone blocking scheme that is all you need.
 
#38
#38
With our receivers (if they all turn out able to contribute this year) why in the world would we use a two tight set. We need to have 3 receivers and one tight end out there at all times. It will not be necessary to have two tightends 85% of the time

I realize in short yardage situations and various other times we may want an extra blocker, but why not use an extra OL.

We will be fine in this respect, I hate that we lost Clear, but I am glad Dooley stood up to the integrity he put forth for this program.
 
#39
#39
UTGhostHunter said:
An injury is not the same thing as injury prone. That's the same ridiculous argument I've heard national analysts use with Bray and posters on this board argue that for Young. Having a lone injury isn't a string of injuries indicative of fragility.
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I could be mistaken but I am pretty sure he had some injuries prior to the one that held him out of spring ball.
 
#40
#40
volssam said:
I agree with HBack transition

And I also think this dismissal hurts us more in 2013 than this yr.

Rivera will leave and that leaves us downs and Meredith. We could recruit a big time TE but TE is a position that needs intensive learning - gotta learn blocking AND routes.
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If they show they can win this year then it won't hurt at all in 2013. UT will go full bore after a JUCO TE. IMHO, either Croom or King will be asked to play TE.

As someone else mentioned, Croom was promised a shot at WR. King was recruited as a LB/ATH. He has the frame and very good skills with the ball in his hands.
 
#42
#42
fade route said:
Since we signed C Pat, Bowles, and Pig, it wouldn't shock me if McKeefery turns Croom into a TE in the mold of Chris Gragg at Arky, who's a beast.
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He very well could be moved there, and be an Orsen Charles type, but I think he stays at WR.
 
#44
#44
Looks like we're going to need a JUCO TE. Are their any good ones this class?
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#46
#46
mitzustu said:
No she is the mother of a player who would have insight into how Jason would take it.

I was just asking. I don't want Jason to move.
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From everything I have seen, she doesn't want it either, and I don't blame her, I think he has the potential to be our most solid newcomer as a WR.
 
#48
#48
Captain Awesome said:
This is asked out of complete ignorance, but would Clear even played that much? I've heard he could have done really well but I've also heard he may not have really even contributed. I know he started a couple of games last year.
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Clear is a special player due to his size and athleticism. He could block like another tackle and create problems in coverage with linebackers and safeties due to his size. I was excited to see him develop but no one knows really if he would be able to stay at tight end. His decision to be a thief really sucks but i agree with the dismissal.
 
#49
#49
Caught one pass....ONE...I mean,would people being whinning like this has Downs or Bartholemew gone down??I mean..he caught ONE pass and wasnt beating out Rivera who at his best was an average passcatcher..Geezzz....(Yes,I know he was 7 feet tall and weighed 300 pounds,so save that answer please)..
 
#50
#50
JohnnyBall said:
Caught one pass....ONE...I mean,would people being whinning like this has Downs or Bartholemew gone down??I mean..he caught ONE pass and wasnt beating out Rivera who at his best was an average passcatcher..Geezzz....(Yes,I know he was 7 feet tall and weighed 300 pounds,so save that answer please)..
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He was a true freshman last year, and last time i checked not many tight ends get much playing time their freshman year. Anybody that can not see the potential that he has and what he was going to bring to the running game this year is blind as a bat. There is a reason dooley and chaney talked about him so much throughout spring practice
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