Throw Dave Clawsen Under the Bus?

#51
#51
triton1 said:
You misunderstood if you thought I was defending Clawson, I think he's to blame. I would definately throw him under the bus if I were CPF. The same linemen that were pretty good a year ago suck. Clawson is the only difference. I'm just saying I knew who the starting QB was as soon as Ainge left. Everyone saying every position is always open is full of crap. They SHOULD always be open, but they aren't.
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It's very clear to me who needs to thrown under the bus, and Clawson problems are academic to the central issue at hand.
 
#53
#53
vol_in_ar said:
1. as we progress through the seaon i expect to see more of fulmers involvement

2. clawsons shown very little ability to succed in the sec

3. were pretty much in the bottom 10% in offensive categories

4. folks continue to point to crompton as the issue
clawsons is his position coach

5. folks point to poor o line play
clawson brought in the new weakside/srongside blocking scheme

6. clawons put together the offensive play calling that resulted in a loss to ucla when we averaged 6 yards a carry and continued to throw the ball when all crompton could do was throw bounce passes

7. clawsons offense had at least 3 opportunties in the 4th qtr against auburn where 2 first downs could have put tn in FG range to win the game

8. the only positive sign to date is going with stephens
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1. If you don't think that Fulmer hasn't been involved in this offense from Day 1 then you aren't very observant. The only person that Fulmer hasn't meddled with is Cut and that's because Cut is a better and smarter OC than Fulmer EVER dreamed of being. Fulmer micromanaged with Sanders and is currently with Clawson because Fulmer has an ego issue with everyone but Cut and he may have with Cut since he isn't here anymore. Making a lateral move is better than making a move down like Cut did and maybe a very telling sign what is going on behind closed doors.

2. He also didn't start out with the QB that should have started. It has been documented in several places that Fulmer trumped Clawson in the decision with Crompton to start. Hell, it was decided in March who would start anyways.

3. Yes we are, but that has more to do with our pitful O-Line and our putrid running game that hasn't exactly taken flight even though some people seem to think we need to run it more even though we can't seem to keep getting more than 3 YPC. We couldn't even run it against Northern Illinois and we outweighed their D-line by 30 lbs.

4. You can't turn a turd into a diamond. Also, Stephens seems to be doing well so the whole position coach argument doesn't hold water right now.

5. If your a great offensive lineman like we supposedly have and you can't adjust your game to what needs to be done, then Clawson can't help that. Adkins is their position coach, but I don't see you questioning him.

6. I agree we should have run the ball more, but we didn't and Crompton couldn't perform. Make yourself one dimensional and you are easier to be beat. If Stephens starts that game, we might have done better who knows, but it took 1/4 of the season for Fulmer to open up the QB spot for competition. BTW, why didn't Clawson open it up if he is the OC?? That's because Fulmer trumped him once again.

7. Crompton was 0-5 in the 4th. When your QB can't complete the football you will struggle. We did suck that day on offense without a doubt.

8. Agreed. You can also add Gerald Jones to that list.
 
#55
#55
vol_in_ar said:
Could you post a link for #2, still haven't seen that published?
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Do you HONESTLY think Clawson is calling 100% of the plays?? As far as your link goes, Crompton was named the starter for the season before the O&W game. You know as well as I do that Fulmer had already told Crompton that he would start the season before Clawson got there. It has NEVER been an open QB competition. We haven't had one of those since we had Ainge and Schafaaa.
 
#56
#56
He was the starter and should have been pulled in the UCLA game. For sure Stephens should have been given a shot against Auburn
 
#57
#57
Clawson is "NOT" the problem and just a few points....

Clawson DID NOT recruit anyone on the team. Cut didn't recruit Crompton but did Stephens and BJ which should say allot.

Clawson does not coach the "O-Line" which is under both Adkins and Fulmer. That's where our problems lay

Clawson's plays and calling is a blend of the existing and his ideas in simple mode so not to make it any more confusing. We're probably not going to see his full layout till next year.

Clawson wants to spread the field while Fulmer is more ball control, nickle & dime it. The 60 yard pass play at Georgia was our longest since 2006!
 
#58
#58
Volzilla said:
Clawson is "NOT" the problem and just a few points....

Clawson DID NOT recruit anyone on the team. Cut didn't recruit Crompton but did Stephens and BJ which should say allot.

Clawson does not coach the "O-Line" which is under both Adkins and Fulmer. That's where our problems lay

Clawson's plays and calling is a blend of the existing and his ideas in simple mode so not to make it any more confusing. We're probably not going to see his full layout till next year.

Clawson wants to spread the field while Fulmer is more ball control, nickle & dime it. The 60 yard pass play at Georgia was our longest since 2006!
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Clawson's play calling is brillant, just look at UCLA and Auburn...
 
#60
#60
Volzilla said:
Clawson is "NOT" the problem and just a few points....

Clawson DID NOT recruit anyone on the team. Cut didn't recruit Crompton but did Stephens and BJ which should say allot.

Clawson does not coach the "O-Line" which is under both Adkins and Fulmer. That's where our problems lay

Clawson's plays and calling is a blend of the existing and his ideas in simple mode so not to make it any more confusing. We're probably not going to see his full layout till next year.

Clawson wants to spread the field while Fulmer is more ball control, nickle & dime it. The 60 yard pass play at Georgia was our longest since 2006!
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Cut did not recruit Crompton because Cut was at Ole Miss. It was not very difficult to see who Cut's heir at quarterback was going to be, however; it was the only guy that played when Ainge was injured.

The offensive coordinator has the responsibility of overseeing the offensive line.

I have no idea what Clawson's offense is supposed to look like. From the portions I have seen, it is mostly "try a little of this, a little of that, then punt." He hasn't been effective, and I doubt very much it is all due to that ogre of a boss who actually might be involved with the football team. People have, in the past, figured out a way to move the football in the past despite Phil Fulmer.
 
#62
#62
This offensive scheme ain't the same as the usual Fulmer schemes of the past. We are running draws and delays at a much higher rate than we did beforehand, and that's part of the problem. The last time we did this at this rate was with Travis Stephens, and it worked then because he was faster than our current top two rbs. Creer, on the other hand, has that type of speed.
 
#64
#64
I've been lurking at your board since Clawson took the Vol OC job. I'm a 73 graduate of UR and a lifelong college football fan, especially SEC football, but I do love my Spiders. Clawson is not your problem. I feared this would happen when he accepted the position. Everyone knows PF is a control freak. The offense that I've seen UT run this year is not remotely close to what Richmond ran under Clawson. It's not a West Coast offense as many of you have stated on this board, he runs a multiple with some WC influences. He is a brilliant play caller, fearless at Richmond. His mistake was taking an OC position instead of waiting for a HC position at a BCS school. Tennessee's problems were not created by Dave Clawson. Your QBs would not start for Richmond this year and your overall talent doesn't measure up to the rest of the SEC. That's on Phil and his recruiters. You better hope that when Phil and his staff get canned, Dave doesn't land at another SEC school and haunt the Vols for years to come.
 
#65
#65
whampas said:
I've been lurking at your board since Clawson took the Vol OC job. I'm a 73 graduate of UR and a lifelong college football fan, especially SEC football, but I do love my Spiders. Clawson is not your problem. I feared this would happen when he accepted the position. Everyone knows PF is a control freak. The offense that I've seen UT run this year is not remotely close to what Richmond ran under Clawson. It's not a West Coast offense as many of you have stated on this board, he runs a multiple with some WC influences. He is a brilliant play caller, fearless at Richmond. His mistake was taking an OC position instead of waiting for a HC position at a BCS school. Tennessee's problems were not created by Dave Clawson. Your QBs would not start for Richmond this year and your overall talent doesn't measure up to the rest of the SEC. That's on Phil and his recruiters. You better hope that when Phil and his staff get canned, Dave doesn't land at another SEC school and haunt the Vols for years to come.
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I dont know what kind of offense that he ran at Richmond. But there is no way anyone who has EVER watched UT under Fulmer either as a OC or HC can say that this is Fulmers offense. I think he gets involved as most HC do during the game and the planning. But Clawson has had a MAJOR impact on this offense. You can try to defend him all you want but this is not any type of offense that I have EVER seen at UT in my life. Now I will say Fulmer is the HC and the blame does go to him since he is the boss. But Clawson gets blame as well.
 
#66
#66
whampas said:
I've been lurking at your board since Clawson took the Vol OC job. I'm a 73 graduate of UR and a lifelong college football fan, especially SEC football, but I do love my Spiders. Clawson is not your problem. I feared this would happen when he accepted the position. Everyone knows PF is a control freak. The offense that I've seen UT run this year is not remotely close to what Richmond ran under Clawson. It's not a West Coast offense as many of you have stated on this board, he runs a multiple with some WC influences. He is a brilliant play caller, fearless at Richmond. His mistake was taking an OC position instead of waiting for a HC position at a BCS school. Tennessee's problems were not created by Dave Clawson. Your QBs would not start for Richmond this year and your overall talent doesn't measure up to the rest of the SEC. That's on Phil and his recruiters. You better hope that when Phil and his staff get canned, Dave doesn't land at another SEC school and haunt the Vols for years to come.
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Don't worry, if that happens he will wind up at another backwater school where he belongs.
 
#67
#67
whampas said:
I've been lurking at your board since Clawson took the Vol OC job. I'm a 73 graduate of UR and a lifelong college football fan, especially SEC football, but I do love my Spiders. Clawson is not your problem. I feared this would happen when he accepted the position. Everyone knows PF is a control freak. The offense that I've seen UT run this year is not remotely close to what Richmond ran under Clawson. It's not a West Coast offense as many of you have stated on this board, he runs a multiple with some WC influences. He is a brilliant play caller, fearless at Richmond. His mistake was taking an OC position instead of waiting for a HC position at a BCS school. Tennessee's problems were not created by Dave Clawson. Your QBs would not start for Richmond this year and your overall talent doesn't measure up to the rest of the SEC. That's on Phil and his recruiters. You better hope that when Phil and his staff get canned, Dave doesn't land at another SEC school and haunt the Vols for years to come.
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call Ukrop and get him back to Richmond
 
#68
#68
if Clawson has what it takes to be SEC material, he not only has to be a great coach he needs to start being more political. One example would be to start saying he would like Berry try plays on offense, even if Fulmer won't allow it.
 
#69
#69
Reputation of coaches within the coaching world and those around the game...

FULMER. Good recruiter, average coach that won with superior talent.

CLAWSON. Extremely intelligent football mind, innovative play caller, up and comer that will be in high demand.

Now, I cannot personally attest to any of that being true or false. What I do know is that Fulmer's teams have historically undrachieved, and played poorly against teams of equal or better talent. Without dispute, wherever Clawson has been involved good things have happened and everyone who has ever been around him has been impressed with him to the point that they were happy to have him while they did, knowing bigger days were ahead of him.

So...something is amiss right now, I have a hard time believing it is Clawson.

Fulmer...book has been out on him a long time.
Adkins...our OL under he and Stephens has been terrible since they took over.
Talent...obvious there has been some drop off -- though it is tough to have the kind of talent we had for a while that underachieved in its own right.

Now, add Clawson and all of that is supposed to change overnight, and if it doesn't it's all his fault? That doesn;t seem to follow.
 
#70
#70
whampas said:
I've been lurking at your board since Clawson took the Vol OC job. I'm a 73 graduate of UR and a lifelong college football fan, especially SEC football, but I do love my Spiders. Clawson is not your problem. I feared this would happen when he accepted the position. Everyone knows PF is a control freak. The offense that I've seen UT run this year is not remotely close to what Richmond ran under Clawson. It's not a West Coast offense as many of you have stated on this board, he runs a multiple with some WC influences. He is a brilliant play caller, fearless at Richmond. His mistake was taking an OC position instead of waiting for a HC position at a BCS school. Tennessee's problems were not created by Dave Clawson. Your QBs would not start for Richmond this year and your overall talent doesn't measure up to the rest of the SEC. That's on Phil and his recruiters. You better hope that when Phil and his staff get canned, Dave doesn't land at another SEC school and haunt the Vols for years to come.
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He may be wonderful, but the offense he is coordinating sucks. I'm still not sure how he seems to get complete absolution from that fact by some posters.
 
#71
#71
VolBeef88 said:
I dont know what kind of offense that he ran at Richmond. But there is no way anyone who has EVER watched UT under Fulmer either as a OC or HC can say that this is Fulmers offense. I think he gets involved as most HC do during the game and the planning. But Clawson has had a MAJOR impact on this offense. You can try to defend him all you want but this is not any type of offense that I have EVER seen at UT in my life. Now I will say Fulmer is the HC and the blame does go to him since he is the boss. But Clawson gets blame as well.
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But didn't Fulmer and Clawson just come out stating that this offense is a "marriage" of last years O with some of Clawson's ideas? I understand about your disagreement since Fulmer is a run first, run often guy (and we certainly are not that) -- but I'm still not convinced this is how Clawson wants to actually run his offense. Rest assured that is based on nothing but a personal opinion -- so take it for what it's worth.

VolBeef88 said:
Don't worry, if that happens he will wind up at another backwater school where he belongs.
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backwater?


MontereyVol said:
if Clawson has what it takes to be SEC material, he not only has to be a great coach he needs to start being more political. One example would be to start saying he would like Berry try plays on offense, even if Fulmer won't allow it.
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Going against the head coach that hired you in your first year -- with a struggling offense -- is probably not your best political move. However, I'd love for him to come out and actually say that. Maybe he'll be the new "maverick".
 
#72
#72
cotton said:
He may be wonderful, but the offense he is coordinating sucks.
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Spurrier's offenses don't look that great either, but i don't think it's because he doesn't know how to coach.

But you're right, the offense sucks and some of that has to lay at his feet. But I do think it can take a little time to adjust to the personnel and league, as well as the fact that our OL can't block, our WRs can't catch, our senior RB isn't very good, and our QB material is below avg by SEC standards. All of that against the country's best defenses and you've got a hard road ahead.
 
#73
#73
VolByBirth said:
Going against the head coach that hired you in your first year -- with a struggling offense -- is probably not your best political move. However, I'd love for him to come out and actually say that. Maybe he'll be the new "maverick".
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I'm not saying to go against the HC, just put it out there for all to hear and get it on record. Doesn't mean he has to raise a big stink about it. Let Fulmer say no and then talk about something else.
 
#74
#74
Liper said:
Reputation of coaches within the coaching world and those around the game...

FULMER. Good recruiter, average coach that won with superior talent.

CLAWSON. Extremely intelligent football mind, innovative play caller, up and comer that will be in high demand.

Now, I cannot personally attest to any of that being true or false. What I do know is that Fulmer's teams have historically undrachieved, and played poorly against teams of equal or better talent. Without dispute, wherever Clawson has been involved good things have happened and everyone who has ever been around him has been impressed with him to the point that they were happy to have him while they did, knowing bigger days were ahead of him.

So...something is amiss right now, I have a hard time believing it is Clawson.

Fulmer...book has been out on him a long time.
Adkins...our OL under he and Stephens has been terrible since they took over.
Talent...obvious there has been some drop off -- though it is tough to have the kind of talent we had for a while that underachieved in its own right.

Now, add Clawson and all of that is supposed to change overnight, and if it doesn't it's all his fault? That doesn;t seem to follow.
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That's the same crap we've heard on Clawson since he was hired in January..
His performance since coming to Tennessee is what counts, and our offense has been putrid this year
 
#75
#75
If clawson is "innovative" he hasn't shown it yet. This offense is more boring than last year.
 
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