This Week's Trap(Which Should Have Been Last Week's)...

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As always, excellent read, Hat.

Hat, is Kentucky a national championship contender with Wall at the point?
 
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nickknx865 said:
As always, excellent read, Hat.

Hat, is Kentucky a national championship contender with Wall at the point?
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I think they are. Some teams, notably Kansas, Michigan State, and Villnaova are more experienced, but UK will be able to compete with anyone come March.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I think they are. Some teams, notably Kansas, Michigan State, and Villnaova are more experienced, but UK will be able to compete with anyone come March.
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Do you see outside shooting as the only significant weakness in our game, other than perhaps inexperience? Dodson is a knock down shooter, and Hood is solid. Other than that, we are mediocre at best with Miller. Bledsoe and Wall have not proven anything outside of 12-15 feet.

I think we may see lots of zone.
 
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hatvol96 said:
So did Memphis two years ago. How bad did that hurt them?
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It didn't hurt Memphis. The point that I have been making is this UK team is not comprised of the same type of personnel as the Memphis team you are referring to. They used Dozier as a swing man at the 4. The offense was a 4 out 1 post. Who plays the swingman for UK in the dribble drive? Patterson? It is legitimate that without an outside shooting threat and little versatility in the 4 man that zone would be effective against UK.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
It didn't hurt Memphis. The point that I have been making is this UK team is not comprised of the same type of personnel as the Memphis team you are referring to. They used Dozier as a swing man at the 4. The offense was a 4 out 1 post. Who plays the swingman for UK in the dribble drive? Patterson? It is legitimate that without an outside shooting threat and little versatility in the 4 man that zone would be effective against UK.
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Good luck to UK opponents on that. Zone a team with Cousins, Patterson, Orton, et al and see how badly you get hammered on the offensive boards.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Good luck to UK opponents on that. Zone a team with Cousins, Patterson, Orton, et al and see how badly you get hammered on the offensive boards.
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Debatable. If Cousins, Patterson, Orton are all in the game, you will have Wall and Bledsoe at the 1 and 2 neither of which are an outside threat. You pack the zone, and give them the three all night. If you don't extend in the 2-3, it's much easier to rebound. However, Tennessee's ineptness at playing any sort of zone will probably prevent us from being able to take advantage of this. We have looked truly terrible in the few times we have experimented with the 2-3, and I suspect we would not be disciplined enough in it to not get killed on the boards. But I think other teams more accustom to playing zone will be able to take advantage of this.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Good luck to UK opponents on that. Zone a team with Cousins, Patterson, Orton, et al and see how badly you get hammered on the offensive boards.
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This is the trade off you get when playing the zone. Everyone knows Patterson is a beast on the boards. It would be hard to win a rebounding battle against any combination of those bigs. Darius Miller is an excellent rebounder as well. Also with Wall and Bledsoe on the perimeter, I'm not sure even a zone can contain that speed consistently. IMO.

As for Patterson playing the 4 as a "swing" spot, word out of lexington all summer is that is exactly what Cal is trying to do. Practice reports say that Patterson is playing more face to the basket out on the elbows and wings. Working on the mid range jumper.


Good read Hat, BTW.
 
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UK. is going to be soooo good it's crazy...Memphis Megaclass *sigh* Good stuff hat.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
This is the trade off you get when playing the zone. Everyone knows Patterson is a beast on the boards. It would be hard to win a rebounding battle against any combination of those bigs. Darius Miller is an excellent rebounder as well. Also with Wall and Bledsoe on the perimeter, I'm not sure even a zone can contain that speed consistently. IMO.

As for Patterson playing the 4 as a "swing" spot, word out of lexington all summer is that is exactly what Cal is trying to do. Practice reports say that Patterson is playing more face to the basket out on the elbows and wings. Working on the mid range jumper.


Good read Hat, BTW.
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I really thought that's what the offense calls for; however, that's going to be tough for Patterson to make that transition. He's a great player, but that would be tough on anybody. I'm sure UK is going to be much improved, so I don't want to sound like I don't. I just feel like that is a potential weakness.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I really thought that's what the offense calls for; however, that's going to be tough for Patterson to make that transition. He's a great player, but that would be tough on anybody. I'm sure UK is going to be much improved, so I don't want to sound like I don't. I just feel like that is a potential weakness.
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Yeah, I hear ya. Thats just the word as for whats going on. As for the finished product, Im not sure how it will work out either. Pat has showed the ability here and there to shoot that 10-12 foot jumper, and he has an excellent free throw stroke. He is also a great passer, so I think it is tangible. I just don't want him taken completely out of his comfort zone, which is under the basket out hustling others for offensive boards.

All in all, I think it will work itself out. There are several options to explore with the line up.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Yeah, I hear ya. Thats just the word as for whats going on. As for the finished product, Im not sure how it will work out either. Pat has showed the ability here and there to shoot that 10-12 foot jumper, and he has an excellent free throw stroke. He is also a great passer, so I think it is tangible. I just don't want him taken completely out of his comfort zone, which is under the basket out hustling others for offensive boards.

All in all, I think it will work itself out. There are several options to explore with the line up.
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I honestly believe that UK would be better served for purposes of the dribble drive offense starting Wall, Bledsoe, Hood, Miller, Patterson and allowing Miller to fill that versatile 4 man role, and bringing Orton and Cousins in at the 5 and maybe just playing very limited minutes with Patterson and Cousins/Orton on the floor together. But we will see. It will certainly be interesting. I would also like to note that you are by far the most sensible person on here from a rival team, and that is certainly refreshing.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
I honestly believe that UK would be better served for purposes of the dribble drive offense starting Wall, Bledsoe, Hood, Miller, Patterson and allowing Miller to fill that versatile 4 man role, and bringing Orton and Cousins in at the 5 and maybe just playing very limited minutes with Patterson and Cousins/Orton on the floor together. But we will see. It will certainly be interesting. I would also like to note that you are by far the most sensible person on here from a rival team, and that is certainly refreshing.
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That lineup would get torched defensively. No way a defensive minded coach like Cal is going to do that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
That lineup would get torched defensively. No way a defensive minded coach like Cal is going to do that.
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Maybe not. But you honestly think that Patterson can play a Robert Dozier role in the dribble drive? I don't. I think he has to change something. If it's not going to a smaller lineup, then it might be ditching the dribble drive until he gets the personnel to fit it. And, I'm not so sure that Miller wouldn't guard Tyler Smith better than Patterson. Not many teams in the SEC have legitimate back to the basket 4 men; therefore, Miller could probably hold his own.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Maybe not. But you honestly think that Patterson can play a Robert Dozier role in the dribble drive? I don't. I think he has to change something. If it's not going to a smaller lineup, then it might be ditching the dribble drive until he gets the personnel to fit it. And, I'm not so sure that Miller wouldn't guard Tyler Smith better than Patterson. Not many teams in the SEC have legitimate back to the basket 4 men; therefore, Miller could probably hold his own.
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Pretty sure Cal spent a big part of a season at #1 and made a Final Four before he had ever heard of the dribble drive. He'll adjust to his personnel. That's what quality coaches do.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Pretty sure Cal spent a big part of a season at #1 and made a Final Four before he had ever heard of the dribble drive. He'll adjust to his personnel. That's what quality coaches do.
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Not trying to argue Hat. I'm just saying he will have to change something with the current personnel. And I have a feeling not running the dribble drive offense that he has been selling the recruits on and running a slow paced post oriented offense that UK has been running for the last 10 yrs might not continue to entice the John Walls of the high school ranks. I think he will try to run the dribble drive simply because of its recruiting benefits; and I think he is going to hit some bumps along the way.
 
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cotton said:
I hate UK.

I really do.
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Its ok. I hate shoddy bartenders who pour you a draft beer before emptying the lines from the night before. I also hate Taco Bell. Not to mention Steve Spurrier.

Everybody needs to hate something.

kiffinator13 said:
I honestly believe that UK would be better served for purposes of the dribble drive offense starting Wall, Bledsoe, Hood, Miller, Patterson and allowing Miller to fill that versatile 4 man role, and bringing Orton and Cousins in at the 5 and maybe just playing very limited minutes with Patterson and Cousins/Orton on the floor together. But we will see. It will certainly be interesting. I would also like to note that you are by far the most sensible person on here from a rival team, and that is certainly refreshing.
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Well Gee thanks. But I guess I will stick with the "Troll who by hanging out here is an indictment of my fanbase" label that some other idiot already gave me. :)
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Its ok. I hate shoddy bartenders who pour you a draft beer before emptying the lines from the night before. I also hate Taco Bell. Not to mention Steve Spurrier.

Everybody needs to hate something.
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I appreciate your empathy. I do not think you fully understand, though. I hate the Wildcats themselves as you hate anything that is evil, like Darth Vader or Nazis or Oprah. But their fanbase disgusts me. And I count many of my best friends among that ignorant, misguided tribe, plus my wife. In her defense, though, she was brainwashed as a child.
 
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So what is the basis everyone is going off of that UK is going to be great this season? Talent? Cal?.. Not attacking anyone's opinion or anything but I really want to know what the meat of the opinion is on why UK is automatically top 5 material right now..
 
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everyone is handing them not just the sec east title and not just the sec title but is also writing them in for a final four. are they talented well yea obviously but they haven't proved anything. I wish for nothing more than I do for them to suck this year and cal to destroy their program. but tennessee is basically under the radar we return everyone but egt no respect that's fine with me though we have had the target on our back for the last few years. pearl seems to be best motivating his team as underdogs and that's what they are considered.
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