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OG.V83 said:
Yeah Memphis in 97. (Still Oilers then) Yeah I remember all the vote NFL yes/no signs and bumper stickers from around that time. I wasnt quite old enough to vote but I would have voted yes if I could have.
So u think that the Titans have detracted from the vols in game attendance or just in general? This is kinda interesting and haven't heard this take before. Could be some truth to it. Would hope not but it's possible.
I will take my Vols over the Titans all day every day times a billion. so I dont get it. but hey, everyone's different right?
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There are sports fans, then their are College Football fans and NFL fans.

I’ve often wanted to plan out a weekend where I get to go see the Vols at Neyland on Saturday and then on the way home stop in Nashville to see the Titans win on Sunday. So far it hasn’t worked out.

Many of the instate players don’t have ties to the Vols due to their parents moving to Tn from various parts of the country. There have been some that would have been VFLs had there been more stability with the HC. It’s no secret that a HC only has so much time at UT to produce wins or there will be a change.
 
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jamesthesame said:
If I had a child who was good enough to play D1 football then I'd have to think hard if Tennessee is the right choice.

I felt that Butch squandered so much talent (AK just one example).

On the plus side, we did have 2 freshman CBs in the top 5 last year.

Maybe Pruitt will start developing talent.
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To your point, I hope the development starts soon. Sunshine pumpers virtually never have any worthwhile info, I think we'll be able to see the state of our team Saturday, I have zero doubt BAMA is going to win, but we can see how the team plays, and do they play all four quarters, etc. I'm not seeing it.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve always said there’s a HUGE difference in a recruit that comes to a team that is not winning vs a recruit that chooses a team BECAUSE they are winning.

The recruit that chooses the team that is not winning has the confidence in himself to elevate his team. He’s not afraid. He knows that he’s going to give his all to change the culture.
The one that chooses to go to a team that’s already winning doubts himself in a sense that he’s not confident that his talent will shine without a supporting cast around him.

Long statement short..... there’s something to be said for a single player that elevates his team over a single player that relies on his team to keep him elevated. Regardless of rank or stars.
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Yes indeed, we need more recruits that feel that even as a Red Shirt, they will inspire the rest of the team, to start winning, in short he knows he will change the culture. Sometime guys that are great pass receivers may want to go to a school where there is a QB that has the ability the toss an accurate pass-and that the OL can protect him [QB], thus allowing him to showcase his talent as a receiver. The really great recruit, might say, I'm so good, even if the QB isn't, I'll be able to help him look good!! Yes indeed we more of this type of recruit. A guy like that should be a 6 star, just ask him.
 
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Hawkeye4588 said:
Just to beat my drum again, it is the Nashville market. Great, blue chip guys grow like trees over there but they have no connection to the University. What we really need is road blocks blocking Clemson, UGA and Bama combined with some serious investment in that area.
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You're right. Should have somebody assigned full-time (or whatever is allowed by the NCAA) to the I-840 arc: 10 of the Top 25 prospects in the state (as listed by KNS) attend high schools within roughly 10-15 miles of I-840: (from west to east) Dickson County, Ensworth, Brentwood Academy, BGA (2), Ravenwood (2), Smyrna, Oakland, Mt. Juliet.
 
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sjt18 said:
And that's stupid since they won't become winners until they start getting more talent.
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Exactly. Makes me appreciate the kids who aren't afraid to come here and work their butts off to turn this program around vs kids who just want to jump on board with the front runners.
 
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This is a dumb statement.
Kids go to school for playing time.
If they happen to be a recruit in-state? That’s great! If not, we will get an out of state.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
UT will never pull the high end recruits out of Memphis. Just too far removed from Knoxville to be of interest and too many closer options for recruits.

That being said, winning and a shot at making the NFL matters a lot more than anything else to these kids and I don't blame them for leaving for greener pastures. Those are two things in very short supply in Knoxville the last decade.
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Would you not consider Eric Gray a high end Memphis recruit? He was probably the best high school player in this area this time last year.
 
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Scorpio said:
From Rivals Sports article:

"Tennessee has a lot of tradition and history and a great game-day environment, but the kids in the state seem to want out until the Vols can prove they’re a winner".
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Sounds about like Alabama in 2006'.
 
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Scorpio said:
From Rivals Sports article:

"Tennessee has a lot of tradition and history and a great game-day environment, but the kids in the state seem to want out until the Vols can prove they’re a winner".
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Sounds like they know jack about leadership. If we win without them, why make it a point to recruit them?
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
So...one player out of how many coming out of Memphis last year signed with the Vols?
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Well, it's not like we've ever been able to lock down Memphis anyway. Geographically, Arky, Bama, MSU, OleMiss, even LSU, and of course the CommodeDores are all closer than UT. Heck, even Auburn, Mizzou, and UK are @ the same distance. That distance matters more than the political borders of a State. Especially when the cultures of Knoxville and Memphis are like night and day.

So, this romanticized idea of locking down the borders of a loooong state that were placed in one corner of is not really reasonable. NC, SC, GA, VA, and KY, even AL all offer more valuable recruiting areas for us, than Memphis.
 
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butchna said:
Guess the Trojans and Bruins are really screwed with both the Chargers and Rams in the same burg!
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USC has a current admin that's even more screwed up than the UT program going thru the likes of Hamilton, Hart, Currie,.....they can't keep an AD and it's impacting all their programs. I don't really know if a pro team has any negative impact on a college team. If anything I'd think it would have a positive influence.
 
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I40flyer said:
To your point, I hope the development starts soon. Sunshine pumpers virtually never have any worthwhile info, I think we'll be able to see the state of our team Saturday, I have zero doubt BAMA is going to win, but we can see how the team plays, and do they play all four quarters, etc. I'm not seeing it.
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Fortunately for UT is that Bama is winning mostly due to offense. Their defense is down due to key injuries which means UT will have a good chance of coming out of this game without any injuries. That's the only positive thing about this game in favor of UT. I don't think this game will tells us much as far as development is concerned. Bad weather could be our ally to an extent. There are two ways to beat Bama.......1) constantly pressure Tua on every pass attempt, 2) outscore dey azz. Three teams may have a chance LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio St.
UT isn't capable of sustaining the pressure and our young secondary is going to get blistered badly just like every team that's played them so far this year.
 
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mad4vols said:
Hated that they chose to use the whole state as their name instead of “Nashville Titans”.

The Vikings/Golden Gophers are a perfect comparison.

“Minnesota Vikings” instead of “Minneapolis Vikings”.

The downfall of the once powerful Gopher program coincides almost exactly with the creation and rise of the NFL Minnesota Vikings. Since the late 60's Minnesota has been dominated by the Vikings, and the Gophers have been a complete afterthought.”
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Doesn’t seem to have affected the football teams in Miami, or Louisiana, or Atlanta.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve always said there’s a HUGE difference in a recruit that comes to a team that is not winning vs a recruit that chooses a team BECAUSE they are winning.

The recruit that chooses the team that is not winning has the confidence in himself to elevate his team. He’s not afraid. He knows that he’s going to give his all to change the culture.
The one that chooses to go to a team that’s already winning doubts himself in a sense that he’s not confident that his talent will shine without a supporting cast around him.

Long statement short..... there’s something to be said for a single player that elevates his team over a single player that relies on his team to keep him elevated. Regardless of rank or stars.
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I don't think that's totally correct, I would hope they choose where they're going to spend the next 3-5 years of their life on where they feel fits them the best/comfortable with. Of course going to a program currently winning could be a draw. People going to a team like current Bama, or Clemson have to be pretty confident of their ability to compete for playing time instead of going where they could be pretty sure of immediate playing time.
 
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"Tennessee has a lot of tradition and history and a great game-day environment, but the kids in the state seem to want out until the Vols can prove they’re a winner"

Great clickbait- thanks for playing, Sheeeezuusss
 
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notjeffco said:
I don't think that's totally correct, I would hope they choose where they're going to spend the next 3-5 years of their life on where they feel fits them the best/comfortable with. Of course going to a program currently winning could be a draw. People going to a team like current Bama, or Clemson have to be pretty confident of their ability to compete for playing time instead of going where they could be pretty sure of immediate playing time.
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Right. I understand that but if Pay attention to what I wrote in the first portion, that is what I’m talking about. If they choose a school simply because said school is winning they lack the confidence in themselves. If they chose that school for any other reason, those are not the ones I’m referring to.
 
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livefaith said:
Well, it's not like we've ever been able to lock down Memphis anyway. Geographically, Arky, Bama, MSU, OleMiss, even LSU, and of course the CommodeDores are all closer than UT. Heck, even Auburn, Mizzou, and UK are @ the same distance. That distance matters more than the political borders of a State. Especially when the cultures of Knoxville and Memphis are like night and day.

So, this romanticized idea of locking down the borders of a loooong state that were placed in one corner of is not really reasonable. NC, SC, GA, VA, and KY, even AL all offer more valuable recruiting areas for us, than Memphis.
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Yep.

This is exactly what I was alluding to in my earlier post in the thread.

I was just responding to the other post who brought up Gray.

He is a good player but I'm not sure that signing 1 out of 7 or 1 out of 8 by rough count of the top 15 in state from the Memphis area the past 2 seasons is really a rousing success story.

TN has historically never reigned in all the top guys from Memphis for reasons you mentioned. Even under Fulmer in the Vols heyday it was a problem.

If I were Pruitt, I would be hammering the Nashville area and all points East to " nail down " the state.

They are better off trying to invest resources in GA, Up State SC, and NC than trying too hard to pull guys from Memphis IMO.
 
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Remy said:
Yup a Goodpasture kid. In fairness, SC takes kids down to The Strand on Saturday afternoon on Venice Beach and move over to Santa Monica Pier, a couple of film school grads talk to them, then The USC Song Girls take them out on the town on the Sunset Strip they get anyone they want. The chick getting out of the truck headed their recruiting one year.
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Yep. I actually know someone that was personally recruited by Pete Carroll and visited USC. He was paid and given gifts and taken out on the town. They lay out the red carpet.

He also met with Saban and other coaches. In his words, saban is by far the dirtiest but also the best recruiter. He has some crazy stories.
 
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1vol8 said:
I’ve always said there’s a HUGE difference in a recruit that comes to a team that is not winning vs a recruit that chooses a team BECAUSE they are winning.

The recruit that chooses the team that is not winning has the confidence in himself to elevate his team. He’s not afraid. He knows that he’s going to give his all to change the culture.
The one that chooses to go to a team that’s already winning doubts himself in a sense that he’s not confident that his talent will shine without a supporting cast around him.

Long statement short..... there’s something to be said for a single player that elevates his team over a single player that relies on his team to keep him elevated. Regardless of rank or stars.
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There is one thing sometimes true in your comment: Players that choose a team not winning has the confidence in himself to elevate the team. However, it is also sometimes true that some players chooses a team not winning because there is less competition at his position and playing time may be easier. The "big fish is a small pond" is a real mentality.

By the same token, saying that someone that chooses to go to a team that is already winning doubts himself is just hogwash. I doubt players at Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and yes, Alabama have doubts about themselves and that is why they choose those schools. If so, since they put droves into the NFL, they get over it.

In your scenario a team loses until it gets good players, then it starts losing because those good players graduate and the doubters are left.

Recruits go to schools for the reasons they go. Opportunity, family, location, coaches, and yes, winning, factor into it. However, for good players at any school, outside of growing up rooting for the school, they generally go where they think can be reasonably comfortable but the school can get them to the NFL. I don't see why players should choose differently.
 
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I'm old enough to remember the days when a kid grew up wanting to play for TN, didn't matter what the record was, they dreamed about it their entire childhood. I wish it wasn't so much, "what can you do for me" attitude. If there is a love, there is a drive.
 
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