This place is out of control

[lawgator1]

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)." "I hate Obama and that's all I have to say." "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

 

[barknoxbrawler]

Hate is spewed daily in every state....every country.....every continent. Some are fighting over it and some aren't . It can be saved.

 

[Gramps]

LG. This is the sad state the US is in now.
I noticed you only listed threads from.the conservatives. There is also hate talk by some of the few liberals on the board.
I also think you read to such racism in the majority of the post I think it is pure hate between some on the left, some on the right.

 

[OrangeYankee]

Welcome to American Politics. I side with (pick a letter) so all who side with (pick the other letter) are my worst mortal enemies and I will do all in my power to assassinate their character and belittle them. Makes for great debates :frown:

 

[lawgator1]

LG. This is the sad state the US is in now.
I noticed you only listed threads from.the conservatives. There is also hate talk by some of the few liberals on the board.
I also think you read to such racism in the majority of the post I think it is pure hate between some on the left, some on the right.

I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree. I've not seen aything near as vitriolic from the more left side of things on the board. In the public. Sure.

But not here.

 

[golfballs]

We need a smiley playing a violin

 

[therealUT]

Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)."

Not sure how this is racist. I see absolutely no connection to race.

"I hate Obama and that's all I have to say."

Could be based on race; however, the same individuals also hate "Hitlery" for no reason. I think it is simply based on the fact that Obama has a "D" next to his name.

"Obama is a Muslim from Kenya."

I agree that this post is meant to inspire latent racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

A bit dramatic, don't you think?

 

[Carl Pickens]

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)." "I hate Obama and that's all I have to say." "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

Poor sweet baby....

 

[golfballs]

Hate Obama because he's black? Pretty sure the same people you accuse of that are also fans of Allen West

 

[Carl Pickens]

I don't care that Obama is black.....his BS policies and the blatant disregard for the truth are why I dislike him

 

[BeecherVol]

I'm sorry, but I just cannot agree. I've not seen aything near as vitriolic from the more left side of things on the board. In the public. Sure.

But not here.

Surely ya'll 3 could come up with something.

 

[BigPapaVol]

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)." "I hate Obama and that's all I have to say." "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

those views are as mainstream on this board as your silliness. If we do away with the wingnut fringes, you'll have to "take your ball and go home."

 

[VolDat2012]

I made the abortion comment and yes part of it was tongue in cheek. But you get my point. Abortion advocates support the decision for someone to take the life of a child. If you support death, then how would you feel if someone had the choice to end your life? Now because it's your life and not someone else's you don't like it. Funny how that works...

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I made the abortion comment and yes part of it was tongue in cheek. But you get my point. Abortion advocates support the decision for someone to take the life of a child. If you support death, then how would you feel if someone had the choice to end your life? Now because it's your life and not someone else's you don't like it. Funny how that works...

I wouldn't know what to feel if I were a fetus. How do you feel about the death penalty?

 

[Vols520]

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)." "I hate Obama and that's all I have to say." "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

Bored before the game?

 

[volinbham]

sometimes he gets the menstrual cramps real hard

 

[KentheOrange]

those views are as mainstream on this board as your silliness. If we do away with the wingnut fringes, you'll have to "take your ball and go home."

Again? That would be what? 6 - 7 times.

 

[alaVOL]

For people who view abortion as murder, for which I agree, then it's the worst kind of genocide possible. The ending of a life that is a completely defenseless baby just for the inconvenience of having to raise that child is unbelievable. How it can be made so trivial is amazing. It isn't a woman's health in 99% of the cases and everyone knows it. It's just a way to get rid of an unwanted responsibility and promote free love since there is an answer to cover up the mistakes.
I do not wish anyone dead because they don’t agree with me, nor do I wish them harm except a change of heart. If someone was going to the pound and shooting puppies as soon as they were born they’d be thrown in jail for a very long time, period. PETA and all the news networks would be having a field day with such a terrible act.
Just like the murder of the Jews to lots of Germans was hidden behind the fences and walls of a camp, the hidden murder of unborn person’s isn’t seen, so it’s alright?
You have your right to your opinion. I just think if we had an Eisenhower to make people really go see the reality of this action many people would be sickened by it.

 

[therealUT]

For people who view abortion as murder, for which I agree,

Not everyone does. Further, I have yet to see a conclusive argument as to why it ought to be viewed as murder. If you have one, feel free to make it.

then it's the worst kind of genocide possible.

Even if I viewed abortion as murder, I would not agree to this. Letting others starve to death when you can easily help them is much worse; and, it is genocide by famine (many of the famines are due to what are termed as "social disasters", as opposed to "natural disasters").

The ending of a life that is a completely defenseless baby just for the inconvenience of having to raise that child is unbelievable. How it can be made so trivial is amazing.

Honest question: what are your views on the death penalty? Someone on death row is completely defenseless. Many of the arguments for execution rest on convenience and cost. If they are both persons, then why does age make a difference? It sounds like a morally arbitrary measure.

It isn't a woman's health in 99% of the cases and everyone knows it.

If the fetus is not a person, then the reason for the abortion does not matter. A woman could have a maxim that simply states, "If I get pregnant on a Tuesday, I will abort the fetus", and, if the fetus is not a person, it does not matter.

It's just a way to get rid of an unwanted responsibility and promote free love since there is an answer to cover up the mistakes.

Do you think condoms ought to be prohibited?

I do not wish anyone dead because they don’t agree with me, nor do I wish them harm except a change of heart. If someone was going to the pound and shooting puppies as soon as they were born they’d be thrown in jail for a very long time, period. PETA and all the news networks would be having a field day with such a terrible act.

Puppies are shot and put down in pounds all the time.

Just like the murder of the Jews to lots of Germans was hidden behind the fences and walls of a camp, the hidden murder of unborn person’s isn’t seen, so it’s alright?

It has nothing to do with whether the act is hidden. In fact, the act is not hidden. Planned Parenthoods are not underground. They are prominently positioned.

You have your right to your opinion. I just think if we had an Eisenhower to make people really go see the reality of this action many people would be sickened by it.

Umm...what?

 

[Vols520]

Not everyone does. Further, I have yet to see a conclusive argument as to why it ought to be viewed as murder. If you have one, feel free to make it.



Even if I viewed abortion as murder, I would not agree to this. Letting others starve to death when you can easily help them is much worse; and, it is genocide by famine (many of the famines are due to what are termed as "social disasters", as opposed to "natural disasters").



Honest question: what are your views on the death penalty? Someone on death row is completely defenseless. Many of the arguments for execution rest on convenience and cost. If they are both persons, then why does age make a difference? It sounds like a morally arbitrary measure.



If the fetus is not a person, then the reason for the abortion does not matter. A woman could have a maxim that simply states, "If I get pregnant on a Tuesday, I will abort the fetus", and, if the fetus is not a person, it does not matter.



Do you think condoms ought to be prohibited?



Puppies are shot and put down in pounds all the time.



It has nothing to do with whether the act is hidden. In fact, the act is not hidden. Planned Parenthoods are not underground. They are prominently positioned.



Umm...what?

I don't really care about abortion, but I would prefer them just to put the kid up for adoption.

The health if the mother argument is a little lame as I doubt that is an issue very often.

Again, this issue as brought up as a distraction in my opinion. It's a dividing issue. I don't view those opposed to abortion as hating women though, that's just speech to get people riled up.

 

[DC_Vol]

"People who believe in abortion rights ought to be aborted (killed)." "I hate Obama and that's all I have to say." "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." Threads effectively based in, or advocating, racism.

I don't know that the forum can be saved.

That "new era of civility" that Obama called for has not yet materialized.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Not everyone does. Further, I have yet to see a conclusive argument as to why it ought to be viewed as murder. If you have one, feel free to make it.



Even if I viewed abortion as murder, I would not agree to this. Letting others starve to death when you can easily help them is much worse; and, it is genocide by famine (many of the famines are due to what are termed as "social disasters", as opposed to "natural disasters").



Honest question: what are your views on the death penalty? Someone on death row is completely defenseless. Many of the arguments for execution rest on convenience and cost. If they are both persons, then why does age make a difference? It sounds like a morally arbitrary measure.



If the fetus is not a person, then the reason for the abortion does not matter. A woman could have a maxim that simply states, "If I get pregnant on a Tuesday, I will abort the fetus", and, if the fetus is not a person, it does not matter.



Do you think condoms ought to be prohibited?



Puppies are shot and put down in pounds all the time.



It has nothing to do with whether the act is hidden. In fact, the act is not hidden. Planned Parenthoods are not underground. They are prominently positioned.



Umm...what?

The death row scenario is much different. The individual on death row has more than likely committed a grievous act....while the fetus is innocent

 

[therealUT]

I don't really care about abortion, but I would prefer them just to put the kid up for adoption.

I would like to see the laws (with regard to covering the costs of pregnancy in order to adopt later) change. At least this would provide "pro-life" organizations with the opportunity to pay women who are seeking an abortion to carry the fetus to term and deliver the baby. Of course, the laws are on the books so as to prevent exploitation of both the mother and of the dignity of the future human being (will women just start getting pregnant so that they can sell their offspring?).

The health if the mother argument is a little lame as I doubt that is an issue very often.

I think this is the most pertinent argument; it is where the pro-life side cannot be logically consistent and give ground. It is a huge sticking point.

Again, this issue as brought up as a distraction in my opinion. It's a dividing issue. I don't view those opposed to abortion as hating women though, that's just speech to get people riled up.

Seen from the perspective of someone who does not view a fetus as a person, it makes sense that the argument reduces to "hating women". From that point of view, one sees another as placing more priority on the rights of a non-person than on the rights of a person; it just so happens that all of those persons happen to be women.

 

[therealUT]

The death row scenario is much different. The individual on death row has more than likely committed a grievous act....while the fetus is innocent

1. So long as there is a death penalty, there is little doubt that at least 1 innocent person per x will be killed in the process. Everyone knows this. So, favoring the death penalty is favoring a policy in which innocent individuals will be killed at the hands of the state 1:x times. It matters not whether x=10;100;1,000; or, 100,000. Keeping the death penalty means that you are insuring that at least one innocent individual will be murdered.

2. Why do past actions make killing okay? Individuals that are being injected with with drugs that will kill them, are absolutely defenseless and at the time are not a threat to anyone. What is the justification for killing them rather than keeping them locked up? Convenience and cost?

 

[Carl Pickens]

1. So long as there is a death penalty, there is little doubt that at least 1 innocent person per x will be killed in the process. Everyone knows this. So, favoring the death penalty is favoring a policy in which innocent individuals will be killed at the hands of the state 1:x times. It matters not whether x=10;100;1,000; or, 100,000. Keeping the death penalty means that you are insuring that at least one innocent individual will be murdered.

2. Why do past actions make killing okay? Individuals that are being injected with with drugs that will kill them, are absolutely defenseless and at the time are not a threat to anyone. What is the justification for killing them rather than keeping them locked up? Convenience and cost?

You're right that there have been some innocent people killed and i didn't say that past actions made it okay to kill someone. I do however believe this is an acceptable fate in some instances.