This new scandal

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Spartacavolus said:
I flat out dreaded watching 75% of the games the last 3 years. And others know what I'm talking about. Hard to watch most of the time, win or lose.
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We got lucky on the seeding last year (even with the extra game) being evenly matched in both. With our seed normally we get a 2 seed in the first game. We should have been a 2 seed with 2 (possibly 3) future NBA players on the roster.
I was looking forward to DT full court press fast break style of basketball for a change.
 
#27
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Spartacavolus said:
I flat out dreaded watching 75% of the games the last 3 years. And others know what I'm talking about. Hard to watch most of the time, win or lose.
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Agree, and I think most fans agree with that. There's a few exceptions, but that's mostly for reasons off the court.
 
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I am going to cheer this team on no matter what. If an ncaa rule was broken years ago at USM, I could care less as far as these kids are concerned. Has DT done anything worse than half the college coaches in this country? I really doubt it.
 
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TGVol said:
We did have a perfectly normal program with CCM but our moronic fans decided to petition that away. This is like some kind of payback for sheer stupidity - instead of getting a Bruce Pearl back (which was never realistic scenario that same people who fired him were going to hire him back) we got unproven CDT who will still be investigated just like Bruce - and no matter what eventually happens with this investigation it will at minimum be a distraction to our program and affect recruiting (already happening).
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While CCM fails at Cal and Pearl takes Auburn to SEC championships and NCAA tournaments.
 
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Sandvol said:
While CCM fails at Cal and Pearl takes Auburn to SEC championships and NCAA tournaments.
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CCM took us to sweet 16 last year - only haters who can't stand being wrong about running their petition against him can consider that a failure. :crazy:
 
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TGVol said:
We did have a perfectly normal program with CCM but our moronic fans decided to petition that away. This is like some kind of payback for sheer stupidity - instead of getting a Bruce Pearl back (which was never realistic scenario that same people who fired him were going to hire him back) we got unproven CDT who will still be investigated just like Bruce - and no matter what eventually happens with this investigation it will at minimum be a distraction to our program and affect recruiting (already happening).
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There is a reason you are not a basketball coach or in sports administration! The really sad part is somebody else agreed with you!
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Volfan2012 said:
A lot of people have the power to make a claim about a Coach or school and get an investigation started. The Coach has no other option but to let the investigation play out.
This is a really easy to determine allegation players got loans and loans were paid by anyone associated with Southern Miss is trouble for Tyndall. Any other option this will go no where. I suspect if the latter is proven to be true then this was all an attempt to kill this recruiting class that Coach Tyndall was creating. We can't convict a coach until the allegation is proven and if it is goodbye Tyndall we move on.
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Why would anyone try to kill his recruiting class? No offense, but it was only ranked #32 even before Clarke left; not really sure who would have felt threatened by that enough to actually sabotage another program's class. Reporting to the NCAA is a much bigger deal than just routine negative recruiting.

That's a huge risk to take because once a program has done that, even if only to a single other program, it has put a bullseye on its own back as far as all other programs are concerned... they figure if the reporting program could do it once, they could try it with any of them too.


Ultimately, UT as an institution will be fine, as far as avoiding sanctions themselves; what could be crippling is the way the NCAA said a couple of years ago that they were going to be more proactive about making sure penalties follow the coaches, rather than putting all the blame and sanctions on the previous schools themselves.

UT won't be punished directly; but the potential punishments for the coach could be significant enough that UT is indirectly but adversely impacted as well... the sanctions they typically hand down to coaches make recruiting and contact with prospects and their families practically impossible.
 
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GoVols15 said:
There is a reason you are not a basketball coach or in sports administration!
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Sure - because UT sports administration showed great judgement by not backing coach who took us to sweet 16 and instead hired unproven coach who is being investigated by NCAA before even coaching first official game at UT. :crazy:
 
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I know our new coach is implicated and that reflects on UT, but for goodness sakes let it play out before killing yourselves. It happened before he got here. We will be fine.
 
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TGVol said:
CCM took us to sweet 16 last year - only haters who can't stand being wrong about running their petition against him can consider that a failure. :crazy:
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You must not follow basketball that much or you would know what a lazy recruiter he is. Not that DT is much better.
 
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vols 30 said:
You must not follow basketball that much or you would know what a lazy recruiter he is.
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Stokes and Richardson were great gets by CCM. He also helped turn McRae into NBA caliber player. That plus taking the team into sweet 16 in third year were great accomplishments (by UT basketball standards).
If there was a realistic chance to get Bruce Pearl back we could have an intelligent debate and I would probably agree he would be our best choice - but since that was NEVER going to happen (when people fire someone they do not have a tendency to hire the same person back :crazy:). Therefore the whole petition was just a dumb joke (apparently on all of us the way things are unfolding with the CDT investigation).
 
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TGVol said:
Stokes and Richardson were great gets by CCM. He also helped turn McRae into NBA caliber player. That plus taking the team into sweet 16 in third year were great accomplishments (by UT basketball standards).
If there was a realistic chance to get Bruce Pearl back we could have an intelligent debate and I would probably agree he would be our best choice - but since that was NEVER going to happen (when people fire someone they do not have a tendency to hire the same person back :crazy:). Therefore the whole petition was just a dumb joke (apparently on all of us the way things are unfolding with the CDT investigation).
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That's a bunch of crap....Zo had very subpar recruiting even by SEC standards.....it's why it was reported most coaches stated they weren't interested in the ten job bc of the poor shape the roster was left in.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Im pretty sure I'm not alone in this when I say I'm pretty sick and tired of the drama surrounding UT hoops and our athletic department. I honestly had not made up my mind about Coach Donnie. I was taking the wait and see approach. One game at a time. Now with all this new drama. I'm not even sure I want to watch this season. We have a couple of senerios that could play out. One. The new guys gel and we sneak into to tourny. Two. They just stink. But either way this whole season now everyone will be wondering who our coach will be next season. At this point. I just don't have the energy to care that much. At least the baseball team is heading in the right direction. And the Lady Vols appear to be on their way up. I have always liked basketball more than football. I actually used to record games off the radio in the 80's just so I could listen to the replay when there was no tv games. Now I fear our team is heading for the cellar again. Ok I've ranted I know. But am I the only one who is not ready for another roller coaster off season in hoops?????
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Do not worry about it. They do not need you.
 
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TGVol said:
Sure - because UT sports administration showed great judgement by not backing coach who took us to sweet 16 and instead hired unproven coach who is being investigated by NCAA before even coaching first official game at UT. :crazy:
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Truth is Martin never was happy here, inherited a team with a lot of talent, and underperformed for the first part of the year! Yes he took us to the sweet 16 but his season record should have been much better and he had a lot of breaks in tournament match ups.

Martin also knew he would have no talent this year because he is a poor recruiter and left. Bottom line is Martin was not a good fit for UT! If fans can't see that then oh well.
As far as Coach T goes, everyone needs to calm down and see how this plays out! Definitely not good for Coach T and the program but "it is what it is." Calling for Coach T to be fired is way premature!

One other point, the people that say "other coaches do it" are ignorant. Doesn't integrity mean anything? This attitude is why sports and this nation is on a decline! Yes I am taking the "high road" because it is what I believe and how I was raised!
 
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TGVol said:
We did have a perfectly normal program with CCM but our moronic fans decided to petition that away. This is like some kind of payback for sheer stupidity - instead of getting a Bruce Pearl back (which was never realistic scenario that same people who fired him were going to hire him back) we got unproven CDT who will still be investigated just like Bruce - and no matter what eventually happens with this investigation it will at minimum be a distraction to our program and affect recruiting (already happening).
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The moronic fan base knew CCM was a mediocre coach with no passion or balls.
 
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TGVol said:
Sure - because UT sports administration showed great judgement by not backing coach who took us to sweet 16 and instead hired unproven coach who is being investigated by NCAA before even coaching first official game at UT. :crazy:
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I'm sure Hart knew he was being investigated because that makes so much sense, right? You are beyond clueless when it comes to CCM so no reason in even talking about that.
 
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Top Gun said:
I know our new coach is implicated and that reflects on UT, but for goodness sakes let it play out before killing yourselves. It happened before he got here. We will be fine.
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While I agree with you you're messing with my entertainment for the night.... I must say we have the most paranoid girl like Fanbase I think I've ever seen or heard of.... But it sure is fun....
 
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TGVol said:
We did have a perfectly normal program with CCM but our moronic fans decided to petition that away. This is like some kind of payback for sheer stupidity - instead of getting a Bruce Pearl back (which was never realistic scenario that same people who fired him were going to hire him back) we got unproven CDT who will still be investigated just like Bruce - and no matter what eventually happens with this investigation it will at minimum be a distraction to our program and affect recruiting (already happening).
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If a CCM coached basketball is "normal" I'll give up being a basketball fan.
 
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GoVols15 said:
Truth is Martin never was happy here, inherited a team with a lot of talent, and underperformed for the first part of the year! Yes he took us to the sweet 16 but his season record should have been much better and he had a lot of breaks in tournament match ups.

Martin also knew he would have no talent this year because he is a poor recruiter and left. Bottom line is Martin was not a good fit for UT! If fans can't see that then oh well.
As far as Coach T goes, everyone needs to calm down and see how this plays out! Definitely not good for Coach T and the program but "it is what it is." Calling for Coach T to be fired is way premature!

One other point, the people that say "other coaches do it" are ignorant. Doesn't integrity mean anything? This attitude is why sports and this nation is on a decline! Yes I am taking the "high road" because it is what I believe and how I was raised!
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Calling a for a coach to be let go because of NCAA is premature, but it was ok to call for a coach's head 3 games into his tenure just because you're bored? That's exactly what this board did. And the likes you got on this post are the morons who wanted Martin gone that fast. Pathetic.
 
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