This loss was on a couple Heupel decisions

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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Crowds go quiet when their team can’t stop the opponent or move the ball. The crowd didn’t act like a coward all night, that was Heupel
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When the opponent is driving and eating 7:30+ off the clock on a single drive is when the D needs the crowd to be most active, it was very lacking (I will say it improved after that, but was severely lacking in the first 7:30 of the 3rd)

And it’s asinine to say Heupel acted like a coward all night… we came out more explosive than we’ve looked against UGA in the last 7 or 8 years.
 
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You have to be the most immature grandfather I've ever experienced. 😆 Must be early signs of dementia.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
He coached scared on multiple occasions. You can’t be a chickenshít against Kirby Smart. The punt at midfield that they drove the field on, and especially the decision not to center the ball on the field goal at the end were scared decisions, and you cannot coach scared against teams like that. There were other issues in the game, but the head coach’s in game decisions cannot be an issue if you are going to beat a powerhouse.
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My take is he and his assistants coached to where we were in position to win the game in regulation by making a very makable field goal. I think he made more decisions that put us in the position to win in regulation. CJH just shredded that vaunted UGA defense.
You have to let this season play out. We may have a really good team and if so, will be there in the end.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Your reply doesn't even make sense. You are talking about the O doing well. I was saying the D doesn't play well against good O's!
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I was saying Ga has a good defense, a good offense is going to score points even against a good defense. You were criticizing our defense, and i was making a point we scored as many points against Ga, who is known for a very good defense in regulation. My point was Ga has a good offense and yes they will score against even a good defense. Kirby does what is necessary. Doesn't matter to him if he wins 20 to 17. He got behind and opened up his offense, which will score against any defense.
 
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DrTNT said:
When the opponent is driving and eating 7:30+ off the clock on a single drive is when the D needs the crowd to be most active, it was very lacking (I will say it improved after that, but was severely lacking in the first 7:30 of the 3rd)

And it’s asinine to say Heupel acted like a coward all night… we came out more explosive than we’ve looked against UGA in the last 7 or 8 years.
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Hype only acted cowardlly, after the strip sack and ran 3 running plays in a row, which he had not done all game, becaue we were in filed goal range. He was calling playis to kick a field goal instead of going for a td. That series and the last series of the game in regulation, we passed and run combo until we got in field goal range and then it was run run imo we should have played the same offensive scheme that we had been doing pass and run combo. But I am still 100% suppporing Hype.
 
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cgrish said:
I was saying Ga has a good defense, a good offense is going to score points even against a good defense. You were criticizing our defense, and i was making a point we scored as many points against Ga, who is known for a very good defense in regulation. My point was Ga has a good offense and yes they will score against even a good defense. Kirby does what is necessary. Doesn't matter to him if he wins 20 to 17. He got behind and opened up his offense, which will score against any defense.
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Yes, that good offense as you are calling it scored 28 pts vs Austin Peay! I don't care if Bobo kept it vanilla. UGA hasn't shown they are a good O yet. I would be willing to bet that UGA doesn't score 38 in regulation vs 3 SEC teams for the season. Meaning, they will not score 38 or more vs more than one other SEC D the rest of the season! Yes, we were down a few players. But, Banks and Martinez letting Ty Redmond get scorched all day, especially on the near 'Hail Mary' to score their last TD in regulation was just plan ridiculous! #4 should have never been in the game in that situation! If UT was going to do that, a safety should have been covering the same WR the entire route to double team the WR!!!
 
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DrTNT said:
When the opponent is driving and eating 7:30+ off the clock on a single drive is when the D needs the crowd to be most active, it was very lacking (I will say it improved after that, but was severely lacking in the first 7:30 of the 3rd)

And it’s asinine to say Heupel acted like a coward all night… we came out more explosive than we’ve looked against UGA in the last 7 or 8 years.
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He did look like a coward the last two drives when UT ran the ball up the middle 3 times! Go for the throat! Brazzell was killing them. You probably get a TD or a PI to make it an easier field goal. Also, it was a coward move not to move the ball to the middle of the field on 3rd down with 7 seconds left!
 
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bpalmer28 said:
I was cool with the punt, but deciding against running 1 more play because he didn't want to risk losing yards is literally coaching scared. Who knows maybe we pop one and get 15 yards to set up a chip shot?
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Didn't even need to do that. Just have JA take a direct snap and run the ball to the middle of the field for no gain. A straight on FG would have been made instead of the one that had to be pushed!
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
He coached scared on multiple occasions. You can’t be a chickenshít against Kirby Smart. The punt at midfield that they drove the field on, and especially the decision not to center the ball on the field goal at the end were scared decisions, and you cannot coach scared against teams like that. There were other issues in the game, but the head coach’s in game decisions cannot be an issue if you are going to beat a powerhouse.
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He sounded like it in one of the post game interviews. Sounded like "man, shaking in my boots out there and tricked the game....dangit"!
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Yes, that good offense as you are calling it scored 28 pts vs Austin Peay! I don't care if Bobo kept it vanilla. UGA hasn't shown they are a good O yet. I would be willing to bet that UGA doesn't score 38 in regulation vs 3 SEC teams for the season. Meaning, they will not score 38 or more vs more than one other SEC D the rest of the season! Yes, we were down a few players. But, Banks and Martinez letting Ty Redmond get scorched all day, especially on the near 'Hail Mary' to score their last TD in regulation was just plan ridiculous! #4 should have never been in the game in that situation! If UT was going to do that, a safety should have been covering the same WR the entire route to double team the WR!!!
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Tell us genius...who should've replaced Redmond on that play? our 6th string white walk on?

Do you understand how injuries and depth work?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Did they undo the adjustments in late 3rd and into the 4th quarter when we took the lead and extended it?
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To me this is the biggest positive that I take from a painful loss. Kirby absolutely made adjustments and in years past we just stick to the plan and Georgia pulls away. We saw it last year. This year was different because Heupel also made adjustments and the team came alive and got back into the game. If Georgia is who we think they are, then if the Tennessee team that played Saturday continues to show up--then we're in for a treat this season.

Kirby is a great coach and I think we should've been more aggressive after the fumble recovery. With that being said, we were in a position to win the game and in my opinion Heupel outcoached Kirby in this one.
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
Yes, that good offense as you are calling it scored 28 pts vs Austin Peay! I don't care if Bobo kept it vanilla. UGA hasn't shown they are a good O yet. I would be willing to bet that UGA doesn't score 38 in regulation vs 3 SEC teams for the season. Meaning, they will not score 38 or more vs more than one other SEC D the rest of the season! Yes, we were down a few players. But, Banks and Martinez letting Ty Redmond get scorched all day, especially on the near 'Hail Mary' to score their last TD in regulation was just plan ridiculous! #4 should have never been in the game in that situation! If UT was going to do that, a safety should have been covering the same WR the entire route to double team the WR!!!
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Kirby coaches to win and usually does what is necessary to win. If they need to score points they will. If Ga. plays Ole Ms, I don't know if they do or not, they better score 38 if they want to win. And i think they will. If 20 points wins a game for Kirby thats all he cares about, he will run clock instead of trying to score. Just my opinion, you may be right, but time will tell. And I agree with you on the safety.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
I’m sorry, but all you had to do was make that kick. It’s unfortunate in a team sport to blame individuals and in football, there are so many plays you could point to that if you reverse the outcome of, it changes the outcome of the game. But the bottom line is that you had UGA dead to rights. All you had to do was snap the ball cleanly, make the kick and everyone’s partying. The blame for the loss for me goes squarely to the lineman who had the false start penalty before the kick and the kicker for failing to make that kick. You absolutely cannot make those 2 mistakes. They let the team down. I still just cannot believe you can have a false start penalty in that scenario. And as a kicker, you have one job. It’s unfortunate to say, but he failed to do his job. It was not an easy kick and, of course, the pressure is absolutely unbelievable. But a 43-yarder is a kick you are expected to make at the college level. When he missed that kick, we were toast and everyone in the stadium knew it.
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Good post, pretty much how I felt, but I put a little blame on Heupel. I thought the motion penalty and delay got the kicker a little out of synch and more anxious-- thinking to himself "I have to kick it 5 yds farther out", and "I have to kick from the left hash instead of straight on". At 7 seconds, Heupel should've run one more play to center the ball between the hashes. I thought it was a little flippant of Heupel to suddenly run the kicking team out there all of a sudden with 7 seconds left, like he didn't trust them to not make another mistake. The right play was to have Joey take the snap directly, center the ball between the hashes, call a time out, and give your kicker a chance to collect himself instead of rushing him out there to kick from the left hash. Kicking is such a mental thing that you need time to think about your fundamentals, and run through a mental checklist of everything. I think that whole sequence at 7 seconds unsettled the kicker when we didn't have to.
 
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cgrish said:
Hype only acted cowardlly, after the strip sack and ran 3 running plays in a row, which he had not done all game, becaue we were in filed goal range. He was calling playis to kick a field goal instead of going for a td. That series and the last series of the game in regulation, we passed and run combo until we got in field goal range and then it was run run imo we should have played the same offensive scheme that we had been doing pass and run combo. But I am still 100% suppporing Hype.
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Support coach, but some of his decisions Saturday did remind me of Butch Jones in the game against Oklahoma at home and away game at Texas a&m. Thought he choked in both of those games we could have won.
 
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Wait, we lost, in overtime. When was the last time we played them this close? And with the talent gap we have and injuries we had on defense. I'm telling you now, Kirby knows his time winning over the Vols is coming to an end.
 
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Man its Thursday and after listening to some postgame reviews, im shocked by the lack of criticism of Heupel. This loss is completely on his crunch-time coaching. Not going for 2 to go up 6 instead of 5, parking the bus on the fumble recovery when you have 7 minutes left, and then the kicking debacle, where you still had time to line up the ball and call timeout even after the false start. just completely abysmal and its been that way since UCF. I'm losing all confidence in his coaching, and we just have to hope we get to the point where our talent can get him out of his own way.
 
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The plays he called were there. We just did not execute properly in the face of championship competition. Critical missed blocks in some big time pressure moments, and assignment errors by the combatants.
But that was more than a game. That was us trying to take Georgia's status as big dog away from them. Much more like a war out there. They made a handful of individual plays that were the difference in the end.
CJH has got us this far. And i don't believe he was scared. No reason that he should or would be. We have to continue to grow and get better. Micro-analyzing his decision to not throw it around more at the end ain't gone change ****. GoVols 🍊
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I thought you would reference the decision for three straight conservative runs after the recovered fumble.
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when he ran the ball 3 times up the middle, I screamed at my TV " you just lost the game" . Horrible, horrible play calling. No excuse. I don't blame the kicker, I blame this on JH. He cost them this game no doubts about it.
 
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