This is who we lose

#76
#76
No ill will intended, but good riddance. That 2007 class was snake bit and through not much fault of their own are just too close to too much recent pain. The sooner they and the 2008 class leave the sooner this team can move on.

Where the heck would Simms transfer to at this point? His career is already a mess. He needs to suck it up and either beat out Bray or be a good back-up.

No ill will intended, but it is very easy for a "fan", who has little to nothing invested in the team, to sit back and tell off 18-22 year old kids who have worked their tails off to be where they are. How's this for "snake bit": three coaches in three years. That should be the focus of your "recent pain", not the kids who have stuck with the University for 4 or 5 years through one of the toughest periods in UT football history.
 
#77
#77
Jones isn't going to be missed much, and Denarius Moore never really produced like he should have.

Look who they had throwing them the ball. :crazy:
IMHO, Bray is the best QB they've had to work with.
You'll be glad we had them by the time this season is over.
GO VOLS!
 
#78
#78
Stocker is the only guy I'd probably fuss over, TBH.

You're nuts.
Names i think we'll miss greatly:

Stocker
Walker
G. Jones
Gerald Williams
Nick Reveiz
Chad Cunningham
Daniel Lincoln

Those guys are standouts, i think. The others are all contributors at least. I think maybe replacing them with three times as many players is the most important thing. But, we will definitely miss their leadership.
 
#79
#79
We have had enough talent to hang with the best teams in the country for chunks at a time. That tells me that we have a bunch of talented players. The fact that we lose all those games also tells me that we need an entire team made up of those players. Again, our starting line up is not the reason we suck. If we had a second and third team that was as talented as the starting team, we would be a two loss team.

If you go down the line and compare starting squads from each SEC school, our starting line up does not compare.
Our starters are mostly the reason why we can not win. Only one player on our entire Defense could start anywhere in the conference and thats Janzen Jackson.
the rest are mediocre at best ( Im being very generous )

there's not one difference maker. there's a reason we dont get turnovers, force fumbles or sacks...
 
#80
#80
Stricly talent standpoint...

Gerald Jones (replace by Justin Hunter, upgrade)
Denarius Moore (replaced by Da'Rick Rogers, upgrade)
Luke Stocker (replaced by Rivera/True Fr., downgrade)
Jarrod Shaw (replaced by Zach Fulton, upgrade)
Kevin Cooper (replaced by Channing Fugate, downgrade)
Gerald Williams (replaced by Jaques Smith, upgrade)
Chris Walker (replaced by Ben Martin, depends on how healthy)
Lamarcus Thompson (replaced by King or Vereen, depends)
Savion Frazier (was backup)
Nick Reveiz (replaced by Austin Johnson, upgrade)
Victor Thomas (replaced by JUCO DT, upgrade)
Chad Cunningham (replaced by Palardy, upgrade)
Daniel Lincoln (replaced by Palardy, upgrade)



Now that is stricly from a physical talent standpoint. Obviously we dont know if Austin Johnson will bring all the intangibles of Nick Reveiz? Will Da'Rick Rogers learn the playbook and run better routes? Will Ben Martin be 100%? Will King e 100%? Will Palardy improve his accuracy?
 
#82
#82
Out of this group, and other than Stocker, who do you all see getting drafted?

Stocker will be an early round draft, and most of the others I do see get drafted very late or signing on to a team as a free agent.

The ones I feel like will be drafted will be :

Stocker (early rounds, probably 2nd-3rd round)

Late rounds:
Cooper
Walker
Williams
Shaw
Thompson
 
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#83
#83
You're nuts.
Names i think we'll miss greatly:

Stocker
Walker
G. Jones
Gerald Williams
Nick Reveiz
Chad Cunningham
Daniel Lincoln

Those guys are standouts, i think. The others are all contributors at least. I think maybe replacing them with three times as many players is the most important thing. But, we will definitely miss their leadership.

Alright, let's go down the list. Stocker would start for most any team in college football that runs a pro style/West Coast offense. Walker, I'm not too sure about. Jones has Hunter or D. Rogers as a replacement, which means we're uprgrading. Gerald Williams, sure, might hurt.

Reveiz is nowhere near an SEC caliber player, and should have never seen the field at Tennessee. He plays with a tremendous amount of heart, but it's pretty clear that we can't win with a player like that.

Cunningham will have Matt Darr, who, by all accounts, will be a fine punter, and Lincoln is getting replaced by Palardy, also, an upgrade.

Nick Reveiz is the only true "leader" on that list, BTW.
 
#84
#84
Stricly talent standpoint...

Gerald Jones (replace by Justin Hunter, upgrade)
Denarius Moore (replaced by Da'Rick Rogers, upgrade)
Luke Stocker (replaced by Rivera/True Fr., downgrade)
Jarrod Shaw (replaced by Zach Fulton, upgrade)
Kevin Cooper (replaced by Channing Fugate, downgrade)
Gerald Williams (replaced by Jaques Smith, upgrade)
Chris Walker (replaced by Ben Martin, depends on how healthy)
Lamarcus Thompson (replaced by King or Vereen, depends)
Savion Frazier (was backup)
Nick Reveiz (replaced by Austin Johnson, upgrade)
Victor Thomas (replaced by JUCO DT, upgrade)
Chad Cunningham (replaced by Palardy, upgrade)
Daniel Lincoln (replaced by Palardy, upgrade)



Now that is stricly from a physical talent standpoint. Obviously we dont know if Austin Johnson will bring all the intangibles of Nick Reveiz? Will Da'Rick Rogers learn the playbook and run better routes? Will Ben Martin be 100%? Will King e 100%? Will Palardy improve his accuracy?

Or I could have just quoted this and saved myself a couple of minutes.
 
#85
#85
Stocker will be an early round draft, and most of the others I do see get drafted very late or signing on to a team as a free agent.

The ones I feel like will be drafted will be :

Stocker (early rounds, probably 2nd-3rd round)

Late rounds:
Cooper
Walker
Williams
Shaw
Thompson

6 guys drafted off of a team with no SEC wins is a bit much - i'd say 2-3 more likely
 
#86
#86
Reveiz is nowhere near an SEC caliber player, and should have never seen the field at Tennessee.QUOTE]

While I'm not going to argue Reveiz is an elite talent the guy entered the season 2nd Team all SEC and is currently tied for #6 in the league with 8.6tpg. And this coming off of season ending knee surgery last year. I just think the statement you make above is overly dismissive.
 
#87
#87
Jones isn't going to be missed much, and Denarius Moore never really produced like he should have.

I can see your point on Jones maybe, but not D. Moore. Dude had 220 yds on Saturday. He's been a good receiver for us many times. Think about the QB's he's had throwing to him... Come on man!
 
#89
#89
Cam Newton is playing for his third school/third coaching staff in three years.

I would call him an anomaly. Very few guys can do what he's done for AU. Plus he's the one that has transferred, it's basically his whole offenses second year in that system (except Dyer). Our whole team has had three different coaching staffs in the last three years, so no one has had the chance to adapt.
 
#90
#90
Bray should be more comfortable at QB and running the offense especially if we can make a bowl game this year. The extra bowl time to practice would be a strong benefit to the whole team. Worley will be a solid addition but I think Simms will transfer so we will still only have 3 QBs Bray, Nance and Worley.

The O-Line is only going to get better. I like where things are heading there plus the recruits that should be coming in. We should be deep there for a couple of years as we only lose 1 OL - J.Shaw. D.Thomas will be a Jr. but J.James, M.Pair, J.Stone, J.Scholfield will all be Soph or RSoph. Plus, you have D.Hood (RSoph), C.Pope (Sr) as well as recruits M.Crowder, K.Kerbyson, A.Posey plus hopefully A.Richardson. I think J.Stone and Crowder will solidify the center position. Gooch will be a Jr. but he will just be a back up at best going forward.

Losing Moore and Jones will definitely hurt just for their experience alone but WR should be strong with Hunter, Rogers and Rogers plus Milton and Arnett?. Vincent Dallas could be a good add too. This will be a young group but they will be good. I wouldn’t mind seeing another receiver step up.

RB will be strong with Poole and Neal. I’d like to see Oku step up more. I’m disappointed in his play. He doesn’t seem to be running hard like Poole and Neal. Maybe Tony Williams will be back to 100% and step up. It usually takes another year before an RB is fully back from ACL surgery and the confidence is there that the knee can handle it. If we could pick up a 4* or better. I’d be surprised if we picked up a 5* RB though but a 4* could happen. Recruit Tom Smith will be a solid contributor.

TE is a concern especially since it is a position Dooley supposedly like to use and use often. I haven’t seen it with Stocker this year. But, that could be the QB play causing it. Either way, losing Stocker hurts. Rivera looks to be decent but what do we have after him and he will be a Sr next year. We have Downs coming in as of now. It looks like Power and UT have gone their separate ways though. Does that mean UT is in strong (silent commit) from a top TE? I’d love to get Jay Rhome. I think we get Cameron Clear too but he maybe OL.

Defense will get better. But, it starts with the D-Line. I think our LBs are average at best with potential. I love Reveiz’s heart but I think Austin Johnson is better and will be a better MLB next year and Thompson isn’t bad and we will also lose Savion Frazier. With Johnson, King and Lathers we will have a better unit. Plus, Vereen is solid. Hopefully, the other young LBs will step up like N. Mitchell-Thorton, J. Askew, R. Nelson, J. Propst will step up as well. I think this is a good group of LBs. Still, I hope 4* A.J. Johnson or 3* Christian Harris end up being a stud in this recruiting class. We need a playmaker at LB. Mayo was really the last playmaker we had at LB.

Defensive Backs aren’t bad either. Jackson will be a Junior and I like how Brewer has come on along with Prentiss Waggoner. With Teague, Gordon, N. Oliver and hopefully Eddrick Lofton that gives us 7 solid players for next year plus as of now 3 recruits with one (Pat Martin) possibly playing early. Randolph and Coleman will probably redshirt. Also, remember Ted Meline was moved to DB as well.

Even Defensive End should be fine with Ben Martin returning from his injury and Malik Jackson back along with J. Smith, C. Miller and W.Bohannan. We do lose Chris Walker and Gerald Williams but those 5 should give this position a strong outlook for next season. Dooley still needs another solid DE in this recruiting class to go along with 3* Jordan Williams.

The DTs will be the key to how good this defense can be. With Hughes, Sykes, Fowlkes, Ayers and Jeffery having another year under their belt and the return of Walls from injury this group has the potential to be good but I think UT needs to go after a couple more DTs to light a fire under these guys. Walls and a motivated Hughes would be a solid starting duo but after that it’s questionable. And w/o Walls, Hughes has been disappointing. That’s 6 returning players but none of them really get you excited other than Walls. I’d feel better about this position if we could end up getting Gabe Wright and Mickey Johnson both of whom we are in good shape with. Sure would be nice to get Tim Jernigan too. We should also pick up JC Maurice Couch and maybe another JC Sheldon Richardson? Bottom line is that we need quality. I believe we get 2 of them for sure (Couch & Johnson) with a possibility of 1 or 2 more due to the possibility to play right away.

We also need to pick up a punt returner. I don’t want to see Gordon try to return another punt. I’m not sure how I feel just yet about him returning kickoffs but would prefer someone else there as well maybe Oku and Da’Rick instead for now.

Palardy will take over for Lincoln which he is in the process of doing this year and Darr will take over for Cunningham. Hopefully Darr will be able to do the job but if not Palardy could fill in there as well.

For the most part though, this recruiting class does seem to be filling in holes.
 
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#92
#92
No ill will intended, but it is very easy for a "fan", who has little to nothing invested in the team, to sit back and tell off 18-22 year old kids who have worked their tails off to be where they are. How's this for "snake bit": three coaches in three years. That should be the focus of your "recent pain", not the kids who have stuck with the University for 4 or 5 years through one of the toughest periods in UT football history.

That is exactly what I was referring to.

The seniors and juniors on this team are exhibit A and B of why Fulmer is no longer here.

I feel bad for these guys and wish them the best and glad the ones that are still here are here. But given their link to the past, I'm just beyond ready to move on.
 
#93
#93
And hopefully we win out from here and that senior class can end up being the ones who finally got us pointed back in the right direction.
 
#94
#94
Gerald Jones
Denarius Moore
Luke Stocker
Jarrod Shaw
Kevin Cooper
Gerald Williams
Chris Walker
Lamarcus Thompson
Savion Frazier
Nick Reveiz
Victor Thomas
Chad Cunningham
Daniel Lincoln

I would also add Simms because I'm betting he transfers at the end of the year.

simms is not transferring. This is already his 2nd stop. If he leaves he has to go play D2 or D3
 
#96
#96
While I'm not going to argue Reveiz is an elite talent the guy entered the season 2nd Team all SEC and is currently tied for #6 in the league with 8.6tpg. And this coming off of season ending knee surgery last year. I just think the statement you make above is overly dismissive.

He's a middle linebacker. He's going to get a lot of tackles. Heart and willpower, yeah, he's got a dumptruck full of that. Talent, no, he's a walk on.

I can see your point on Jones maybe, but not D. Moore. Dude had 220 yds on Saturday. He's been a good receiver for us many times. Think about the QB's he's had throwing to him... Come on man!

He had one great game this year, heck, make it the entire career. He's not really done too much outside of the SCjr game.

We will lose Nick Reviez more than many on here would care to admit.

Not really.
 
#97
#97
He's a middle linebacker. He's going to get a lot of tackles. Heart and willpower, yeah, he's got a dumptruck full of that. Talent, no, he's a walk on.

The man was voted pre-season 2nd team All SEC at this years media days. We aren't talking about a bunch of UT homers sitting around appreciating his heart and willpower here. That's 177 voters from all over the place. And so he's a MLB. Where's all the other LB's, middle or otherwise, with more total tackles? There are 4 LB's in the league with more tackles.

So he walked on...and that proves what? Arian Foster basically walked onto the Texans and is the #3 player in the NFL in ypg. Reveiz is way better baller than people thought he would be. I'm not arguing he's the most talented player in the world, I am arguing he's proven, as in factually demonstrated-on the field-no opinion required he's good enough to play in the SEC.

I doubt Bill Bates was ever the best athlete on the field even back in high school. Didn't stop him from making 2nd team All SEC twice at UT. He wasn't drafted either but that didn't stop him from having a long NFL career and getting a couple SB rings. Some guys can just ball way beyond their physical gifts. (How many D1 offers did Jerry Rice get?)
 
#98
#98
I'll miss them all, and I appreciate every down they played for the Vols. Wish them all the best.
 
#99
#99
next season should be a lot better

Montana-W
Cincinnati-winnable
@ Florida-L
Buffalo-W
Georgia-winnable
LSU-L
@Alabama-L
South Carolina-winnable
MTSU-W
@Arkansas-L
Vanderbilt-W
@Kentucky-W

that's 5 almost positive wins with 3 that are winnable IMO.

also, I might have missed some schedule updates
We should definitely beat Montana, Cincinnati, Buffalo, MTSU, Vandy, and Kentucky, IMO. I honestly don't know who Arkansas loses or how good they will be. I think we win at least one of Georgia, South Carolina, and LSU.
 
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