This is what you get when you don’t teach history in school.

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NEOCON said:
The fleet was there to get attacked and draw us in.

I don’t necessarily believe WW1 was justified as it appears have been a power grab by bankers etc but with WW2 we had to help the Jewish population. Mass genocide was going on and we couldn’t just sit by.

Now I understand that this is not why we entered and we went in mainly to get us out of a depression but I feel the side benefits justifies this.
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Helping the Jewish population was a distant afterthought in Europe. FDR even increased the barriers that would allow Jewish refuges to immigrate to the US. We traded Hitler for Stalin, who made Hitler look like a piker in regards to mass murder. WW2 did not end the depression, getting rid off the New Deal did. Sounds like the guy interviewing students should go back to school.
 
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midnight orange said:
Helping the Jewish population was a distant afterthought in Europe. FDR even increased the barriers that would allow Jewish refuges to immigrate to the US. We traded Hitler for Stalin, who made Hitler look like a piker in regards to mass murder. WW2 did not end the depression, getting rid off the New Deal did. Sounds like the guy interviewing students should go back to school.
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Most of the atrocities associated with Hitler were not known to Americans and allies until 45. At least not the full scope of the genocide. Germany declared war on us, which is a thing people forget, but mainly because Japan did so first.
Gonna have to disagree with you on WW II ending the Depression. It very much did. The flurry of war production along with FDR's policies brought the US into the golden age post 45.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Most of the atrocities associated with Hitler were not known to Americans and allies until 45. At least not the full scope of the genocide.
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They knew that millions of Jews had been exterminated well before 1945.

zeppelin128 said:
Germany declared war on us, which is a thing people forget, but mainly because Japan did so first.
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Not in dispute.

zeppelin128 said:
Gonna have to disagree with you on WW II ending the Depression. It very much did. The flurry of war production along with FDR's policies brought the US into the golden age post 45.
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The flurry of war production led to rationing. War production decreased greatly in 1946 resulting in the Keynesians predicting another huge depression which did not occur. By that logic we should destroy all our buildings and infrastructure because all the production of re- building would bring us into a new golden age.
 
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midnight orange said:
They knew that millions of Jews had been exterminated well before 1945.


Not in dispute.


The flurry of war production led to rationing. War production decreased greatly in 1946 resulting in the Keynesians predicting another huge depression which did not occur. By that logic we should destroy all our buildings and infrastructure because all the production of re- building would bring us into a new golden age.
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Just gonna have to disagree with you on all of this frankly.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Did that guy really say the US saved the world in WWII? Interesting. I wonder if he meant to minimize the Red Army's contribution in WWII?

Also, had the US and Allied forces not placed an embargo on Japan, there would have been no need for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. And for that matter, why was the Pacific Fleet even at Pearl Harbor instead of California at that time?
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What did their attack achieve? And act of aggression isnt going to break a trade embargo. It literally closes the door to any possible peaceful solution.

The fleet was there to protect US assets. Much easier to stop the Japanese in the middle of the Pacific than it would the western seaboard. You can pull the fact that we knew an attack was coming. But again that just further strengthens the need for them to be there. Cant defend an island with no military presence.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Was it our duty to "check" them? They were across the ocean from us and were of no concern to us (when I say "us", I mean the average American on Main Street, not "us" as in US business interests).

The same could be said about the war in Europe at the time, also.
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You know they attacked us right? That means they came across that ocean.

We can choose who to trade with. We didnt trade with Japan who were bad actors. They were 10 times worse than everything you complain about in SA today. So dang myopic.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Most of the atrocities associated with Hitler were not known to Americans and allies until 45. At least not the full scope of the genocide. Germany declared war on us, which is a thing people forget, but mainly because Japan did so first.
Gonna have to disagree with you on WW II ending the Depression. It very much did. The flurry of war production along with FDR's policies brought the US into the golden age post 45.
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Well, no thanks to the UK trying to get Germany to bite on the same trick they used in WWI. Just like they used the Lusitania as a bait ship to draw a German attack, they did the exact same strategy 25 years later trying to get Germany to attack British vessels.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I didn't have a WWII vet in my life, but I could have answered these basic questions in junior high. I hope this is fake.
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Honestly its not their fault. Teachers are so focused on teaching kids how to pass test that they don't actually get to teach them much. If we would get the bureaucrats out of the way and let teachers do their jobs we would all be better off imo.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Honestly its not their fault. Teachers are so focused on teaching kids how to pass test that they don't actually get to teach them much. If we would get the bureaucrats out of the way and let teachers do their jobs we would all be better off imo.
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Getting the federal gov out of education would be a great start.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, zeppelin doesn't think so. What he says goes.
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I don't know that it's his fault because I remember learning similar things in school. If you have no need to question it then it makes sense you'd believe the new deal was wonderful
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't know that it's his fault because I remember learning similar things in school. If you have no need to question it then it makes sense you'd believe the new deal was wonderful
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It was as a kickstart to the eventual downfall of the country.
 
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midnight orange said:
That’s what happens when education is socialized. You get high cost and low quality.
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Maybe but it's not like schools can really dig in to something like that with a bunch of 10th graders. I'm not sure it was truly given as a reason for getting out of the great depression but it was taught at a similar time. Probably just assumed that's what happened. Mine was 25+ yrs ago so I don't truly remember
 
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Matt2496 said:
I agree. These type videos are so easy to manipulate.
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But this is an easy one to test if you have teenage kids or kids in college , just ask them and their friends the same questions . I think you’ll be surprised at the lack of interest and knowledge in US history , except for the main talking points on MSM and social platforms .
 
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You can go anywhere and ask any random group people questions and get dumb answers. Some of the dumbest **** we see comes out of our politicians.
 
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