This is not even close to being all JG’s fault!!

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EC4VOLS said:
A QB should have an expectation of getting 3 seconds to pass. We did not give him that. On the strip sacks he had two hands on the ball, nothing he could do. People should be angry with the play of our tackles not QB. The rush didn’t come from the middle it was all outside. The guards seemed to hold up in protection. Although no one gave us a push in the run game. We have to speed our tackles up. I don't Think JG held the ball too long on any of the strip sacks. He made some mistakes but most of you are putting your blame on the wrong person. Ask anyone who played or coached football. They will tell you the same. To many people on here think they know a lot about “team” football and how it works together and they really know just enough to go blaming wrong people. It’s easy to do from the couch!
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It wasn't all JG's fault, but he still played terribly. I wouldn't say he was the "weakest link" on the offense, but he was far from the strongest.

The biggest thing that concerns me is he just doesn't seem to read the defense well. You hardly ever see him audible out of a play and Georgia's D-line seemed to know exactly what we were going to do on a lot of plays before the plays even happened.

It's also frustrating that he's as slow as molasses. He doesn't process anything quickly. It'll be obvious there's a guy that's coming after him and he has 3 seconds to react and it's like he still hasn't decided what to do by the time the guy gets there. (And that has happened on a lot of the fumble and near-fumble plays this season.)

And while I don't know if this is JG's fault of the coaches' fault, why are we the only team that seems to have no counter to a blitz?

I've defended JG, particularly back in '18, when he played behind a horrible O-line. But it just feels like he's hit his ceiling. He may still be the best QB on the roster ... at this moment. And if he is, the coaches should still start him. But it's so frustrating watching him play against good teams, because it seems obvious he's never going to beat them. He can beat Kentucky and South Carolina and Mizzou. He's not going to beat the Georgias, Floridas, and Alabamas of the world.

He's almost like the anti-Josh Dobbs. He's a better pure pocket passer than Dobbs, and can make a lot of throws that Dobbs couldn't, but Dobbs had superb instincts and an excellent feel for the game, while JG's instincts and feel for the game are lacking.

But the bottom line is that if JG gets us to 6-4 and another QB only gets us to 5-5, you have to play JG, as frustrating as it is.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He had time to get rid If the ball on the last sack. The blitz came from the opposite side of where JG set up in the pocket. Good Qb’s have a sense of when to throw before the pressure arrives. That may be JG’s #1 flaw.
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It came between the Left Tackle and Guard seems like, had his back to it no matter, Chandler wiffed on the block, what bugs me is that he should have known its coming, on a play where you know theres a blitz coming you would think he is trying to get rid of the ball just a little quicker, the sense of urgency you mentioned.
 
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Danielson picked up when JG puts his right foot way back he's gonna QB sneak. He may be doing little things on certain running plays or passing plays that the film warriors pick up on certain plays. Did seem to look like they knew where we were going a lot. They may be keying on his little idiosyncrasies attached to certain plays. Remember he's started 100's o_O of games plenty of film.
That will get you a total of minus 1 yards.
 
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I could easily be led to believe that the QB play/outlook and the O-line play are not separate circumstances, but share a tied-up-tight correlative thread.
 
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It's not JG's fault this is all on Pruitt and Chaney for not signing a competent QB by now. There's no way JG should still be starting this far into Pruitt's coaching career here. As I heard someone say it's just lazy recruiting. QB is the most important player on the team and it is our weakest position right now.
 
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A lot of different opinions and most all are right!
UGA defense-yep they are that good.
Our OL was terrible- pre snap and post snap
Our RB, couldn’t block a rusher if their life depended on it.
Our OC seems unable to make adjustments or we just can’t execute them?
And JG vs Good QB:
Good QB: anticipation of pressure, idea of where to throw before snap.
Pressure from outside circles in behind-step forward buy another second!
Take sack instead of throwing falling backwards into coverage!
When taking sacks /hits doesn’t fumble every time.
JG: the opposite to all above
 
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EC4VOLS said:
A QB should have an expectation of getting 3 seconds to pass. We did not give him that. On the strip sacks he had two hands on the ball, nothing he could do. People should be angry with the play of our tackles not QB. The rush didn’t come from the middle it was all outside. The guards seemed to hold up in protection. Although no one gave us a push in the run game. We have to speed our tackles up. I don't Think JG held the ball too long on any of the strip sacks. He made some mistakes but most of you are putting your blame on the wrong person. Ask anyone who played or coached football. They will tell you the same. To many people on here think they know a lot about “team” football and how it works together and they really know just enough to go blaming wrong people. It’s easy to do from the couch!
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I agree with the sentiment of your post and hate the way some our fans seem to enjoy crucifying our QB. But I think his inability to consistently throw the ball accurately was our biggest problem vs Georgia. Go back and watch the tape and see how badly Georgia loaded the box, the defense is only able to do that when they don’t respect the passing game
 
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We were happy that the Vols had the lead at half even with the first TD being an UGA gift. The concern going into halftime was our OLine and backs had not shown a thing. The hope was that perhaps the coaches would straighten out the running game so we could get that part of the offense fixed. Never happened and the 2nd half was a cluster fire truck! No, JG does not get all the blame because of the poor play by the OLine the entire game, however; we've seen that second half JG more than a few times against the top SEC teams. Have not gotten the idea that Coach Pruitt will think about a QB change unless or until JG gets hurt in a game.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It wasn't all JG's fault, but he still played terribly. I wouldn't say he was the "weakest link" on the offense, but he was far from the strongest.

The biggest thing that concerns me is he just doesn't seem to read the defense well. You hardly ever see him audible out of a play and Georgia's D-line seemed to know exactly what we were going to do on a lot of plays before the plays even happened.

It's also frustrating that he's as slow as molasses. He doesn't process anything quickly. It'll be obvious there's a guy that's coming after him and he has 3 seconds to react and it's like he still hasn't decided what to do by the time the guy gets there. (And that has happened on a lot of the fumble and near-fumble plays this season.)

And while I don't know if this is JG's fault of the coaches' fault, why are we the only team that seems to have no counter to a blitz?

I've defended JG, particularly back in '18, when he played behind a horrible O-line. But it just feels like he's hit his ceiling. He may still be the best QB on the roster ... at this moment. And if he is, the coaches should still start him. But it's so frustrating watching him play against good teams, because it seems obvious he's never going to beat them. He can beat Kentucky and South Carolina and Mizzou. He's not going to beat the Georgias, Floridas, and Alabamas of the world.

He's almost like the anti-Josh Dobbs. He's a better pure pocket passer than Dobbs, and can make a lot of throws that Dobbs couldn't, but Dobbs had superb instincts and an excellent feel for the game, while JG's instincts and feel for the game are lacking.

But the bottom line is that if JG gets us to 6-4 and another QB only gets us to 5-5, you have to play JG, as frustrating as it is.
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The thing about Josh Dobbs was if he had a head of steam once he got past the line of scrimmage he was like having another running back on the loose.
 
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EC4VOLS said:
A QB should have an expectation of getting 3 seconds to pass. We did not give him that.
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No QB in college football expects 3 seconds to pass. JG avg'd 2.39 seconds per throw vs UGA. The SEC average in week 3 was 2.29 seconds. Bennett reads D's and makes decisions faster than JG. He averaged 2.06 seconds per throw. Even when Cut came back and repaired Ainge's broken psyche... he spent considerable time training him to have a 2.5 second clock in his head.

On the strip sacks he had two hands on the ball, nothing he could do.
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You mean except for feel pressure, move in the pocket, make faster reads, get the ball off on time, throw the ball away rather than holding it, and keeping the ball high like he's been taught since stepping on campus, right?

People should be angry with the play of our tackles not QB. The rush didn’t come from the middle it was all outside.
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You might want to watch again. The blitzes were the key. Most of the ones I saw came right up the middle. They just knew that JG couldn't react mentally fast enough to make them pay. He never has.

The guards seemed to hold up in protection. Although no one gave us a push in the run game.
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UGA did not respect JG's ability to hurt them over the top or with quick reads. They blitzed pretty much whenever they wanted to. They crashed down to stop the run all day. You MUST have a QB that can take advantage of what UGA did to stop UT's run game... and JG isn't that guy.

We have to speed our tackles up.
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The OL played poorly at times. They did. They were playing against the most talented front 7 in college football. They had breakdowns. They were also handicapped by JG.

I don't Think JG held the ball too long on any of the strip sacks.
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Good QB's manage their pocket. They move around... even Bray did that and he had concrete cleats. JG is a stationary target.

He made some mistakes but most of you are putting your blame on the wrong person.
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There's plenty of "blame" to share but when your QB shows the same inabilities for 4 years... and a D as well coached and talented as UGA's recognizes and gameplans for it.... you get blown out.

Ask anyone who played or coached football. They will tell you the same. To many people on here think they know a lot about “team” football and how it works together and they really know just enough to go blaming wrong people. It’s easy to do from the couch!
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Right. Like you blaming everyone BUT the guy who has been the common denominator for 4 years now in some of the most anemic O's UT has ever fielded.
 
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EC4VOLS said:
A QB should have an expectation of getting 3 seconds to pass. We did not give him that. On the strip sacks he had two hands on the ball, nothing he could do. People should be angry with the play of our tackles not QB. The rush didn’t come from the middle it was all outside. The guards seemed to hold up in protection. Although no one gave us a push in the run game. We have to speed our tackles up. I don't Think JG held the ball too long on any of the strip sacks. He made some mistakes but most of you are putting your blame on the wrong person. Ask anyone who played or coached football. They will tell you the same. To many people on here think they know a lot about “team” football and how it works together and they really know just enough to go blaming wrong people. It’s easy to do from the couch!
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JG needs longer to process the progression. He needs block to hold longer. And they didn't. How is that JGs fault?? If he needs three seconds than the oline needs to block for 4!

People need to wake up..
How anyone could argue that he's not our best option is ridiculous.

Look at his win-/loss record and TD to turnover ratio.

Don't care if we have a 5-star Freshman. If he's so great why didn't he look good against UGA?!
 
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I am going to do a little drive by analysis . These are blatant errors by JG . It is obvious that he has no clue what is happening in his pre-snap read. It could be the case that he has not been give the ability to make pre-snap changes and audible. I cant imagine a Chaney offense not allowing this , but I will let you decide. These errors by JG make the offensive line look horrible . They make the receivers look horrible . They are enough to cause game melt downs . JG has several over aching issues to feed into each of the failures noted below. He holds the ball to long. He stars down receivers. He has no pocket awareness. There were mistakes all around . The tackles looked like they were getting boat raced. But if the blitzes were picked up pre-snap and / or JG slid forward in the pocket and delivered before 3 seconds , 80% of the o-lines bust would not have been busts at all. When you play teams like UGA , somebody is going to get beat at some point in the game. That is just football. So when you look at the greats like Manning or Brady or any other great , they make you pay for blitzing and it starts pre-snap. They make running backs look great by getting them in the right play at the right time.

6.38 1st quarter
safety drops to the box making 7 in the box , obvious pre snap blitz. Man coverage . JG has to check to a hot route . Rather, he does nothing and hands off running right to the teeth of the defense.

5.18 1st

GA line shifts right . This creates a free rusher on the right side. GA has 6 in the box . This is first and 10 . QB should check to run strong side away from the free rusher. Rather JG snaps with 22 seconds on the play clock . He must scramble to get back to the LOS.

GA has 6 in the box , they blitz a safety making it 7 creating an overload in the box on the left . Pre-snap it is known there will be an unblocked rusher. JG snaps the ball with 29 seconds on the play clock . Its second and 8 and all routes are set deep . The back should have been checked hot and leaked out for easy pitch and catch. He would have gotten 8 yards.
Instead JG barely makes it back to the LOS

4.40 2nd pass rush from defensive ends . JG drops drops drops ...never stepping up into the pocket. He holds the ball for 4 seconds. Running back is open . Instead JG calls his own number in a panic run and barely gets back to the LOS . He runs directly toward the open RB but is staring down field and does not see him. A good QB steps up in the pocket and delivers .

3rd quarter fumble. 4 man pass rush . JG has to step up into the pocket , rather he back peddles and then decides to Scramble left and is caught from behind. Mid route is open . Again a good QB steps into the pocket and hits the middle route ( see diagram ) . He hits this on time at the 2.5 to 3 second mark. .

3 quarter overload blitz. 2 receivers left uncovered . This is a tricky blitz that is not visible pre-snap. JG throws INT . Delivers on time to the back there is a one on one with back and safety in the open field. This is probably a good throw away down .


3-8 , double LB blitz .14.34 4th . Had to be suspected pre-snap as there is a single high safety and man coverage across the board. A decent pre-snap read is that that two LBs have a job and are not going to be standing there on 3rd and 8 with nothing to do. He needs a 2 second release at the marker ( again , he should know the heat is coming in this obvious down and distance ) , in stead we get nearly a 4 second release

3/5 10:07 4th . Same as above . fumble GA touchdown


This game is different with better pre-snap reads and better QB fundamentals .
 
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majic73 said:
I am going to do a little drive by analysis . These are blatant errors by JG . It is obvious that he has no clue what is happening in his pre-snap read. It could be the case that he has not been give the ability to make pre-snap changes and audible. I cant imagine a Chaney offense not allowing this , but I will let you decide. These errors by JG make the offensive line look horrible . They make the receivers look horrible . They are enough to cause game melt downs . JG has several over aching issues to feed into each of the failures noted below. He holds the ball to long. He stars down receivers. He has no pocket awareness. There were mistakes all around . The tackles looked like they were getting boat raced. But if the blitzes were picked up pre-snap and / or JG slid forward in the pocket and delivered before 3 seconds , 80% of the o-lines bust would not have been busts at all. When you play teams like UGA , somebody is going to get beat at some point in the game. That is just football. So when you look at the greats like Manning or Brady or any other great , they make you pay for blitzing and it starts pre-snap. They make running backs look great by getting them in the right play at the right time.

6.38 1st quarter
safety drops to the box making 7 in the box , obvious pre snap blitz. Man coverage . JG has to check to a hot route . Rather, he does nothing and hands off running right to the teeth of the defense.

5.18 1st

GA line shifts right . This creates a free rusher on the right side. GA has 6 in the box . This is first and 10 . QB should check to run strong side away from the free rusher. Rather JG snaps with 22 seconds on the play clock . He must scramble to get back to the LOS.

GA has 6 in the box , they blitz a safety making it 7 creating an overload in the box on the left . Pre-snap it is known there will be an unblocked rusher. JG snaps the ball with 29 seconds on the play clock . Its second and 8 and all routes are set deep . The back should have been checked hot and leaked out for easy pitch and catch. He would have gotten 8 yards.
Instead JG barely makes it back to the LOS

4.40 2nd pass rush from defensive ends . JG drops drops drops ...never stepping up into the pocket. He holds the ball for 4 seconds. Running back is open . Instead JG calls his own number in a panic run and barely gets back to the LOS . He runs directly toward the open RB but is staring down field and does not see him. A good QB steps up in the pocket and delivers .

3rd quarter fumble. 4 man pass rush . JG has to step up into the pocket , rather he back peddles and then decides to Scramble left and is caught from behind. Mid route is open . Again a good QB steps into the pocket and hits the middle route ( see diagram ) . He hits this on time at the 2.5 to 3 second mark. .

3 quarter overload blitz. 2 receivers left uncovered . This is a tricky blitz that is not visible pre-snap. JG throws INT . Delivers on time to the back there is a one on one with back and safety in the open field. This is probably a good throw away down .


3-8 , double LB blitz .14.34 4th . Had to be suspected pre-snap as there is a single high safety and man coverage across the board. A decent pre-snap read is that that two LBs have a job and are not going to be standing there on 3rd and 8 with nothing to do. He needs a 2 second release at the marker ( again , he should know the heat is coming in this obvious down and distance ) , in stead we get nearly a 4 second release

3/5 10:07 4th . Same as above . fumble GA touchdown


This game is different with better pre-snap reads and better QB fundamentals .
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I guess you’re right. Keep starting JG. Thanks for the pep talk.
 
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If JG was great against average teams I would cut him slack. If he didnt throw crucial picks and fumbles in big games I would cut him slack.

He's average against average teams.
 
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majic73 said:
I am going to do a little drive by analysis . These are blatant errors by JG . It is obvious that he has no clue what is happening in his pre-snap read. It could be the case that he has not been give the ability to make pre-snap changes and audible. I cant imagine a Chaney offense not allowing this , but I will let you decide. These errors by JG make the offensive line look horrible . They make the receivers look horrible . They are enough to cause game melt downs . JG has several over aching issues to feed into each of the failures noted below. He holds the ball to long. He stars down receivers. He has no pocket awareness. There were mistakes all around . The tackles looked like they were getting boat raced. But if the blitzes were picked up pre-snap and / or JG slid forward in the pocket and delivered before 3 seconds , 80% of the o-lines bust would not have been busts at all. When you play teams like UGA , somebody is going to get beat at some point in the game. That is just football. So when you look at the greats like Manning or Brady or any other great , they make you pay for blitzing and it starts pre-snap. They make running backs look great by getting them in the right play at the right time.

6.38 1st quarter
safety drops to the box making 7 in the box , obvious pre snap blitz. Man coverage . JG has to check to a hot route . Rather, he does nothing and hands off running right to the teeth of the defense.

5.18 1st

GA line shifts right . This creates a free rusher on the right side. GA has 6 in the box . This is first and 10 . QB should check to run strong side away from the free rusher. Rather JG snaps with 22 seconds on the play clock . He must scramble to get back to the LOS.

GA has 6 in the box , they blitz a safety making it 7 creating an overload in the box on the left . Pre-snap it is known there will be an unblocked rusher. JG snaps the ball with 29 seconds on the play clock . Its second and 8 and all routes are set deep . The back should have been checked hot and leaked out for easy pitch and catch. He would have gotten 8 yards.
Instead JG barely makes it back to the LOS

4.40 2nd pass rush from defensive ends . JG drops drops drops ...never stepping up into the pocket. He holds the ball for 4 seconds. Running back is open . Instead JG calls his own number in a panic run and barely gets back to the LOS . He runs directly toward the open RB but is staring down field and does not see him. A good QB steps up in the pocket and delivers .

3rd quarter fumble. 4 man pass rush . JG has to step up into the pocket , rather he back peddles and then decides to Scramble left and is caught from behind. Mid route is open . Again a good QB steps into the pocket and hits the middle route ( see diagram ) . He hits this on time at the 2.5 to 3 second mark. .

3 quarter overload blitz. 2 receivers left uncovered . This is a tricky blitz that is not visible pre-snap. JG throws INT . Delivers on time to the back there is a one on one with back and safety in the open field. This is probably a good throw away down .


3-8 , double LB blitz .14.34 4th . Had to be suspected pre-snap as there is a single high safety and man coverage across the board. A decent pre-snap read is that that two LBs have a job and are not going to be standing there on 3rd and 8 with nothing to do. He needs a 2 second release at the marker ( again , he should know the heat is coming in this obvious down and distance ) , in stead we get nearly a 4 second release

3/5 10:07 4th . Same as above . fumble GA touchdown


This game is different with better pre-snap reads and better QB fundamentals .
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He played a perfect first half. You will not complete every dropback. Sorry that is just football. You are nitpicking .

Second half the line played like crap but he should have held on to the ball better.
 
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k-town_king said:
So you made up the times? Of course

I see time for the whole game but not individual plays.
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If you break down that it was 3rd quarter, whatever down and distance you can get the int play time from that site.....has for the other call it made up but a timer from hands to sack was 2.68. But we can dismiss that. Its fine...you will anyway
 
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k-town_king said:
He played a perfect first half. You will not complete every dropback. Sorry that is just football. You are nitpicking .

Second half the line played like crap but he should have held on to the ball better.
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Other then those 2 lucky TD passes he was a check down king...without those 2 pass he has at 5.5 YPA
 
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whodeycin85 said:
If you break down that it was 3rd quarter, whatever down and distance you can get the int play time from that site.....has for the other call it made up but a timer from hands to sack was 2.68. But we can dismiss that. Its fine...you will anyway
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Other then those 2 lucky TD passes he was a check down king...without those 2 pass he has at 5.5 YPC
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So made up bs like I thought.

You mean two GREAT passes?

That is not how you look at qb numbers genius. Take away Pat Mahomes td passes and his ypa goes way down too. Duh.

Do that to any qb and ypa goes way down. You really found something there. Never thought of that. lmao
 
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