This is an Opportunity for Fulmer...

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drewwes01

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... to finally look outside the 'family' and bring in a new OC with fresh ideas. We have ran the same offense for 15 years. It is a great opportunity for Fulmer to make a good hire. We need an infusion of new schemes and creativity.

The last time the OC position opened Fulmer went with the safe hire in bringing Cutcliffe back on board. But now he has the chance to look to the outside. I think this will be one of the biggest hires of Fulmer's career.
 
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drewwes01 said:
... to finally look outside the 'family' and bring in a new OC with fresh ideas. We have ran the same offense for 15 years. It is a great opportunity for Fulmer to make a good hire. We need an infusion of new schemes and creativity.

The last time the OC position opened Fulmer went with the safe hire in bringing Cutcliffe back on board. But now he has the chance to look to the outside. I think this will be one of the biggest hires of Fulmer's career.
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It's just that the passing routes have gotten shorter.:p
 
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Im trying not to get my hopes up. What concerns me the most is the way that Fulmer ascended to his current position. Knowing how that went down, do you really see him hiring someone that could be a threat? I dont.
 
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rexvol said:
Im trying not to get my hopes up. What concerns me the most is the way that Fulmer ascended to his current position. Knowing how that went down, do you really see him hiring someone that could be a threat? I dont.
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SPOT ON! (according to MY sources)
 
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I don't know what you 'know' about the Majors/Fulmer situation although I too have heard rumors, but no 'confessions.' You may have heard the latter, but short of that, the rumors are difficult to sustain. Morever, there were some concerns about the direction of the program... and if results are what counts most, Fulmer delivered those.

More to the point of your post, Fulmer's heart is in the UT program and I don't think even he plans on coaching it forever. However, the whole idea that Tennesse football will, or even needs, to become something wholly different from what it is now is far fetched. So, hiring some coach who wants to change it to his own brand... forget about it. It is what it is... and I'd expect to see somebody who already knows the playbook.
 
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Okay, seems like worst case we promote Adkins to OC. A silver lining I see in this is he might be a little bit more on the run side than Cutcliffe being an old school offensive lineman. Yet, he did go to the school of Jim Donnan, let's remember that.

Cutcliffe, struck me as times as outsmarting himself, instead of getting a pair and sticking it to the defense.

I could care less if we run a 5 wide, or we run a friggin' wishbone as long as it works, I'm down. So if it goes down and Adkins gets the nod, maybe, just maybe his play calling will be a little more down the throat rather than a chess game.
 
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utmba93 said:
I don't know what you 'know' about the Majors/Fulmer situation although I too have heard rumors, but no 'confessions.' You may have heard the latter, but short of that, the rumors are difficult to sustain. Morever, there were some concerns about the direction of the program... and if results are what counts most, Fulmer delivered those.

More to the point of your post, Fulmer's heart is in the UT program and I don't think even he plans on coaching it forever. However, the whole idea that Tennesse football will, or even needs, to become something wholly different from what it is now is far fetched. So, hiring some coach who wants to change it to his own brand... forget about it. It is what it is... and I'd expect to see somebody who already knows the playbook.
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I would say that right now there are concerns about the direction of the program (or were you not a fan in 05). Johnny is a native Tennessean, former Vol player, and returned as coach to much, much fanfare (Johnny Comes Marching Home). Phil is a native Tennessean, former vol player, and took over the coaching position with much fanfare. Ray Charles could see the similarities. Which is eactly why Phil wont do what's best for the program, instead opting for what's best for Phil.
 
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Business said:
Okay, seems like worst case we promote Adkins to OC. A silver lining I see in this is he might be a little bit more on the run side than Cutcliffe being an old school offensive lineman. Yet, he did go to the school of Jim Donnan, let's remember that.

Cutcliffe, struck me as times as outsmarting himself, instead of getting a pair and sticking it to the defense.

I could care less if we run a 5 wide, or we run a friggin' wishbone as long as it works, I'm down. So if it goes down and Adkins gets the nod, maybe, just maybe his play calling will be a little more down the throat rather than a chess game.
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There was a pretty good blog related to this on VN about the absense of a good blocking fullback in recent years. The article seemed sensible, but we had real hoss of an FB last year. Whether he was a good blocker or not, I don't know.

The main point I take from your post though is that the same playbook can be used in many different ways. That's probably where the next OC will have the most impact.
 
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rexvol said:
I would say that right now there are concerns about the direction of the program (or were you not a fan in 05). Johnny is a native Tennessean, former Vol player, and returned as coach to much, much fanfare (Johnny Comes Marching Home). Phil is a native Tennessean, former vol player, and took over the coaching position with much fanfare. Ray Charles could see the similarities. Which is eactly why Phil wont do what's best for the program, instead opting for what's best for Phil.
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This is a good post, but that jab really wasn't a necessary point. But yes, I was a fan when Doug Dickey was HC and every year thereafter and every year henceforth. Doug coached and hired Phil as I recall, but you may know them better and be a better judge of people.
 
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I think sometimes Cutcliffe abandoned the run too quickly. I thought we could have ran it more against LSU and wore down their front 7 going into the 4th quarter. I think he abandoned the run game in the Alabama game as well. I think Foster had a 7 yard average in the first half and he hardly touched it in the 2nd half.

I hope we do see new creative schemes with a new OC. I think you can be creative with the playcalling and run it at the same time. (i.e. Florida) Being creative doesn't mean throwing it all over the field. You can incorporate some option, misdirection, reverses, etc.
 
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utmba93 said:
This is a good post, but that jab really wasn't a necessary point. But yes, I was a fan when Doug Dickey was HC and every year thereafter and every year henceforth. Doug coached and hired Phil as I recall, but you may know them better and be a better judge of people.
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Phil was coached by Dickey and Battle. Grad. Asst. under Battle, then came back with Majors.
 
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Business said:
Okay, seems like worst case we promote Adkins to OC. A silver lining I see in this is he might be a little bit more on the run side than Cutcliffe being an old school offensive lineman. Yet, he did go to the school of Jim Donnan, let's remember that.

Cutcliffe, struck me as times as outsmarting himself, instead of getting a pair and sticking it to the defense.

I could care less if we run a 5 wide, or we run a friggin' wishbone as long as it works, I'm down. So if it goes down and Adkins gets the nod, maybe, just maybe his play calling will be a little more down the throat rather than a chess game.
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Amen. The "spread" is not the only offense that works in college football today. A good disciplined team that knows how to do their job can succeed at any collegiate level.
 
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drewwes01 said:
I think sometimes Cutcliffe abandoned the run too quickly. I thought we could have ran it more against LSU and wore down their front 7 going into the 4th quarter. I think he abandoned the run game in the Alabama game as well. I think Foster had a 7 yard average in the first half and he hardly touched it in the 2nd half.

I hope we do see new creative schemes with a new OC. I think you can be creative with the playcalling and run it at the same time. (i.e. Florida) Being creative doesn't mean throwing it all over the field. You can incorporate some option, misdirection, reverses, etc.
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There's so much more creativity than just doing some school yard 5 way reverses.

Playcalling, since I'm a former pitcher, is like pitching. You see what the hitter is working with, set him up, get him off balance and BAM! hit him up and in, or break off a nasty change. To me being creative is lining up in the same formation 10 times and being able to do 10 different things. Not so much these trick plays.
 
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rexvol said:
Im trying not to get my hopes up. What concerns me the most is the way that Fulmer ascended to his current position. Knowing how that went down, do you really see him hiring someone that could be a threat? I dont.
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at this point, in his career, he needs to win, more than he needs longevity. will he make a good decision, i dont know, but, his interest will be in winning, not protecting the last few years of his career.
 
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Business said:
Phil was coached by Dickey and Battle. Grad. Asst. under Battle, then came back with Majors.
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The Battle years are memorable.

My point was Dickey was the AD who hired/promoted CPF as head football coach. In that position, he would be the guy closest to the relevant rumors (e.g. he would be the guy whom CPF would have had to fooled/tricked if he betrayed Majors).

The program was in trouble and it was in worse shape than it is now.

One major difference wrt retaining or dismissing the head coach decision is that while both coaches had a National Championship under their belts following adverse sesasons, Fulmer won his on the Hill with players he recruited.

When you're looking for a guy who can do that (win a NC at UT), it's hard to ignore the FACT that you arleady have the only one still alive today... who did.
 
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utmba93 said:
I don't know what you 'know' about the Majors/Fulmer situation although I too have heard rumors, but no 'confessions.' You may have heard the latter, but short of that, the rumors are difficult to sustain. Morever, there were some concerns about the direction of the program... and if results are what counts most, Fulmer delivered those.

More to the point of your post, Fulmer's heart is in the UT program and I don't think even he plans on coaching it forever. However, the whole idea that Tennesse football will, or even needs, to become something wholly different from what it is now is far fetched. So, hiring some coach who wants to change it to his own brand... forget about it. It is what it is... and I'd expect to see somebody who already knows the playbook.
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You are exactly right. We are not going to change much.
 
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Business said:
There's so much more creativity than just doing some school yard 5 way reverses.

Playcalling, since I'm a former pitcher, is like pitching. You see what the hitter is working with, set him up, get him off balance and BAM! hit him up and in, or break off a nasty change. To me being creative is lining up in the same formation 10 times and being able to do 10 different things. Not so much these trick plays.
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So Florida's and Appalachian State's offense is a school yard offense? Seems like it works to me.

Anyone who watches teams like that play has got to love that style of offense. Its innovative, creative, etc. It incorporates all aspects of offense: vertical passing, option, reverses, misdirection, screens, etc. It gets playmakers out in space.
 
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drewwes01 said:
So Florida's and Appalachian State's offense is a school yard offense? Seems like it works to me.

Anyone who watches teams like that play has got to love that style of offense. Its innovative, creative, etc. It incorporates all aspects of offense: vertical passing, option, reverses, misdirection, screens, etc. It gets playmakers out in space.
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You missed my whole point. Don't worry about it.
 
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utmba93 said:
I don't know what you 'know' about the Majors/Fulmer situation although I too have heard rumors, but no 'confessions.' You may have heard the latter, but short of that, the rumors are difficult to sustain. Morever, there were some concerns about the direction of the program... and if results are what counts most, Fulmer delivered those.

More to the point of your post, Fulmer's heart is in the UT program and I don't think even he plans on coaching it forever. However, the whole idea that Tennesse football will, or even needs, to become something wholly different from what it is now is far fetched. So, hiring some coach who wants to change it to his own brand... forget about it. It is what it is... and I'd expect to see somebody who already knows the playbook.
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well this could be a number of people, it isnt to hard to learn our offense, I dont care how complicated CPF says it is.
 
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Basically I think I can sum up all these posts by saying we just need to be a balanced team that takes the what the D gives up, If it's open deep, take it if not dink and dunk or run. Just quit being stubborn and try to run the same plays when they have 8-9 guys crowded around the line.
 
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utmba93 said:
Fulmer's heart is in the UT program and I don't think even he plans on coaching it forever. However, the whole idea that Tennesse football will, or even needs, to become something wholly different from what it is now is far fetched. So, hiring some coach who wants to change it to his own brand... forget about it. It is what it is... and I'd expect to see somebody who already knows the playbook.
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This hire will tell us if CPF's Heart is in it and the direction he wants to go.... You can speculation about Changes... He has a choice to review whats been going right, what is going wrong and what corrections need to be made to correct it.... It is what it is... He has the opportunity right now to hit the reset button and absorb some losses because of the changes... Staying the Course and trying to hang on, avoid it or driving around it are not good options unless you are secure... I do not see us getting any better by Staying the Course with the current Playbook...
 
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85Destiny said:
You are exactly right. We are not going to change much.
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The Current System is not working and it is the Coach's responsibility to change things up... CAV --- Coordinate the Changes, Anticipate the Problems and Verify... Good Leaders have to make tough decisions. This hire is critical to Fulmer and he needs to take it as he said an opportunity for excitement....
 
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