Third down efficiency - Ugggggg

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Not to beat a dead horse - Ok maybe to beat a dead horse but a team's and a quarterback's success on third down are pretty significant indicators of
how well the offense and the quarterback are executing and inversely how much time the defense is going to be on the field.

Here is the current SEC success or lack of success rate on third downs.

1. Texas A and M ---- 58.7 %
2. Alabama ---- 57.4
3. Ole Miss ---- 52.4
4. Auburn ---- 49.4
5. Florida ---- 48.8
6. Ga ---- 46.7
7. Ky ---- 45.1
8. Mo. ---- 42.1
9. SC ---- 40.6
10. Vandy ----39.0
11. LSU ---- 33.3
12. Miss St. ---- 32.5
13. Arky ---- 31.9
14. Tenn ---- 25.7

What are our takeaways here --- humm

1. There is absolutely no way that you can compete with teams that are completing twice as many third downs as you are.
2. Is this statistically worse that the Clawfense under Fulmer ?
3. Those numbers appear insanely bad, Fullfillmer can you check how many teams in all of college football are worse ?
4. With 4 or 5 5 stars among the starters on the offensive line and a couple of capable running backs, a newly better and reworked receiving core --- what is the common thread here that I'm missing ?
5. I am stopping, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and I have an assignment above .......... but likeminded individuals feel free to weigh in and or add to. The stats don't lie - this is a whole nother shade of AWFUL imho.
 
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jamesthesame said:
Maybe, but JG has had multiple OCs and the offense has been garbage with all of them.
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The Buck stops at the coach till they pro. Shame on the coach for making him so hated and shame on him for not switching and shame on him for not knowing to get a backup ready. Where did Hill go? He dumb.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Not to beat a dead horse - Ok maybe to beat a dead horse but a team's and a quarterback's success on third down are pretty significant indicators of
how well the offense and the quarterback are executing and inversely how much time the defense is going to be on the field.

Here is the current SEC success or lack of success rate on third downs.

1. Texas A and M ---- 58.7 %
2. Alabama ---- 57.4
3. Ole Miss ---- 52.4
4. Auburn ---- 49.4
5. Florida ---- 48.8
6. Ga ---- 46.7
7. Ky ---- 45.1
8. Mo. ---- 42.1
9. SC ---- 40.6
10. Vandy ----39.0
11. LSU ---- 33.3
12. Miss St. ---- 32.5
13. Arky ---- 31.9
14. Tenn ---- 25.7

What are our takeaways here --- humm

1. There is absolutely no way that you can compete with teams that are completing twice as many third downs as you are.
2. Is this statistically worse that the Clawfense under Fulmer ?
3. Those numbers appear insanely bad, Fullfillmer can you check how many teams in all of college football are worse ?
4. With 4 or 5 5 stars among the starters on the offensive line and a couple of capable running backs, a newly better and reworked receiving core --- what is the common thread here that I'm missing ?
5. I am stopping, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and I have an assignment above .......... but likeminded individuals feel free to weigh in and or add to. The stats don't lie - this is a whole nother shade of AWFUL imho.
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Take away the Mizzou game and those numbers dip below 20%
 
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jarnol32 said:
Jg has been awful in every offensive coordinators system he’s played in.
Chaney has been either good or great with every qb he’s had not named Jarret Guarantano....
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Exactly. The phrase “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” is applicable.

It seems that a lot of people forget that Jujuan Jennings called Jim Chaney an offensive genius last season when talking about his offense.
 
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I’m not in the boat of criticism of Cheney because JG has been the common denominator of multiple OC changes. However I do think he needs to get more creative with misdirection plays. Especially in the red zone inside the 10. We just don’t know how limited he is with JG. The only one that does know is Cheney himself. But if playcalling is an indicator, it’s pretty bad
 
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jamesthesame said:
JG.
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The Original Fade said:
Chaney is just as awful as JG
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rocytop2624 said:
The Buck stops at the coach till they pro. Shame on the coach for making him so hated and shame on him for not switching and shame on him for not knowing to get a backup ready. Where did Hill go? He dumb.
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
Take away the Mizzou game and those numbers dip below 20%
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All of these are good points made.

It’s not just bad, it’s the fact it’s regressing with no sign of getting better. Not a good stat any year, much less a HC’s year 3.........
 
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With the talent we have on the outside and in the trenches this is an indictment on somebody.

JG, Chaney, Pruitt...somebody. To be THIS bad is ridiculous.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Exactly. The phrase “you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink” is applicable.

It seems that a lot of people forget that Jujuan Jennings called Jim Chaney an offensive genius last season when talking about his offense.
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Even Pruitt called out Chaney for throwing it 25 yards on 3rd and 3. He’s notorious for doing that crap, and he doesnt have the QB to pull it off. It’s why our 3rd down % blows
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Not to beat a dead horse - Ok maybe to beat a dead horse but a team's and a quarterback's success on third down are pretty significant indicators of
how well the offense and the quarterback are executing and inversely how much time the defense is going to be on the field.

Here is the current SEC success or lack of success rate on third downs.

1. Texas A and M ---- 58.7 %
2. Alabama ---- 57.4
3. Ole Miss ---- 52.4
4. Auburn ---- 49.4
5. Florida ---- 48.8
6. Ga ---- 46.7
7. Ky ---- 45.1
8. Mo. ---- 42.1
9. SC ---- 40.6
10. Vandy ----39.0
11. LSU ---- 33.3
12. Miss St. ---- 32.5
13. Arky ---- 31.9
14. Tenn ---- 25.7

What are our takeaways here --- humm

1. There is absolutely no way that you can compete with teams that are completing twice as many third downs as you are.
2. Is this statistically worse that the Clawfense under Fulmer ?
3. Those numbers appear insanely bad, Fullfillmer can you check how many teams in all of college football are worse ?
4. With 4 or 5 5 stars among the starters on the offensive line and a couple of capable running backs, a newly better and reworked receiving core --- what is the common thread here that I'm missing ?
5. I am stopping, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and I have an assignment above .......... but likeminded individuals feel free to weigh in and or add to. The stats don't lie - this is a whole nother shade of AWFUL imho.
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I would be curious to know how many 3rd down opportunities each team has had as well. Seems like we have a ton of 3 and outs each game and a lot of these other programs sustain drives much longer in the games I have watched this season. If the number of opportunities is as low as I think it is, this stat becomes even more glaring, imo.
GBO!!
 
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The Original Fade said:
Even Pruitt called out Chaney for throwing it 25 yards on 3rd and 3. He’s notorious for doing that crap, and he doesnt have the QB to pull it off. It’s why our 3rd down % blows
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I don’t think it’s just that, but yeah some of his 3rd and short stuff is bad.
 
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cobbwebb0710 said:
I would be curious to know how many 3rd down opportunities each team has had as well. Seems like we have a ton of 3 and outs each game and a lot of these other programs sustain drives much longer in the games I have watched this season. If the number of opportunities is as low as I think it is, this stat becomes even more glaring, imo.
GBO!!
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So I looked it up and it isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Tennessee has 69 3rd down attempts and most other schools(SEC) are in the 70-80’s. The really unbelievable stat is that we have converted on only 18 of the 69. That sounds even worse than calling it 26%.
GBO!!
 
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The Original Fade said:
Even Pruitt called out Chaney for throwing it 25 yards on 3rd and 3. He’s notorious for doing that crap, and he doesnt have the QB to pull it off. It’s why our 3rd down % blows
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Can’t run because they load the box or play down hill with JG in at qb. Because they play down hill you can’t call a 3 yard pass because they’ll jump the route. So maybe he was thinking that a 25 yard pass on third was the safest bet. Can’t forget he has a constant birds eye view of how the defense is playing.
 
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When you consistently run the ball on 3rd and long, the OC has absolutely no faith in the QB's ability to complete a 10 yard pass. Pruitt said, "We aren't going to play in fear.", but actions speak louder than words. If you're afraid to throw the ball because of who you have in the backfield, it's time to give the reins to someone else.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Not to beat a dead horse - Ok maybe to beat a dead horse but a team's and a quarterback's success on third down are pretty significant indicators of
how well the offense and the quarterback are executing and inversely how much time the defense is going to be on the field.

Here is the current SEC success or lack of success rate on third downs.

1. Texas A and M ---- 58.7 %
2. Alabama ---- 57.4
3. Ole Miss ---- 52.4
4. Auburn ---- 49.4
5. Florida ---- 48.8
6. Ga ---- 46.7
7. Ky ---- 45.1
8. Mo. ---- 42.1
9. SC ---- 40.6
10. Vandy ----39.0
11. LSU ---- 33.3
12. Miss St. ---- 32.5
13. Arky ---- 31.9
14. Tenn ---- 25.7

What are our takeaways here --- humm

1. There is absolutely no way that you can compete with teams that are completing twice as many third downs as you are.
2. Is this statistically worse that the Clawfense under Fulmer ?
3. Those numbers appear insanely bad, Fullfillmer can you check how many teams in all of college football are worse ?
4. With 4 or 5 5 stars among the starters on the offensive line and a couple of capable running backs, a newly better and reworked receiving core --- what is the common thread here that I'm missing ?
5. I am stopping, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, and I have an assignment above .......... but likeminded individuals feel free to weigh in and or add to. The stats don't lie - this is a whole nother shade of AWFUL imho.
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Welcome to the Hotel Guarantano.........
 
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The Original Fade said:
Chaney is just as awful as JG
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I think Chaney is a good OC playing for the wrong HC.

He’s extremely limited with his play calling whenever you have a QB who’s turnover prone.

Him and Pruitt doesn’t seem to be on the same page and I don’t think it’s his fault.
 
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