Think yesterday was bad? Try being a wolverine

#27
#27
Recruiting rankings can be deceiving. Butch's classes were ranked so high because of the high number of people we recruited every year (i.e. high attrition). A better indicator, imho, is average star rating. See if this makes sense. Go to rivals, copy and paste their rankings into a spreadsheet and sort on average star. I know their are exceptions but when you look back at Butch's classes this way, our performance makes more sense....
 
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I've said it in a different thread, but you can have all the five stars in the country but if your coaching is crap, your team will be crap.

Since a lot of people like to point to SC as a team that has now "surpassed" us, I checked their rankings from 2005-2015, the spurrier decade since that's their best decade in well forever. They only finished once in the top 5 of the SEC, and they still won the East at least once, mainly because Spurrier was a better coach than half of the SECE coaches at the time.

Now look at us the past few years with Jones, top classes, and no division titles in a WORSE SECE than what Spurrier had to go through when they won.

Point is, if the coach isn't worth a damn it don't matter who we have. I think as a staff we have a better complete staff than most in the SECE, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Mullen at UF, and with UGA losing some assistants we'll see if Kirby can pull a Saban and just plug and play any assistant and keep on winning.

I know we all wanted those players but compared to the past few years where we probably never would've even had a hat on those tables it's at least a plus that we were "considered" especially after the year we had.

So let's all just have a pint and wait for this to all blow over.
 
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#31
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how many SEC teams in the top 10 this year...not as many as years before....it's a tough recruiting world out there...get used to it...we'll be fine with Coach Pruitt...hang in there gang...:)

GO VOLS!
 
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nesbuddha66 said:
High profile coach, huge fanbase. Winning season last year..

What gives? We need some perspective folks. Gundy's badass cowbody who would have beat the brakes off of us last year, came in at 33..


Pruitt is an actual football coach, and the players are going to improve..
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I'm still trying to figure out why some people think yesterday was so bad. We signed a good class and came in 2nd on a bunch of good players that didn't even have us on their list until CJP was hired.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I don't disagree with you at all. However just for fun, let me play devil's advocate with you. If that's the case how do you explain Mizzou winning the East 2 years in a row and their late surge last year? Those teams weren't filled with a bunch of 4 and 5 stars.
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Florida Georgia and Tennessee were all terrible when Mizzou joined the SEC and won the east
 
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#37
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Gundy has had 1 losing season ( his first year) in 13 seasons at OK ST with those lousy classes.

What's Pruitt's record as a head coach again?

All most people are saying was the class could have ended up better and even Pruitt all but admitted that last night.

Too early to condemn him as a loser but it's also way to early to start any comparisons with a coach like Gundy either.
 
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#38
#38
It does t matter where sh!ta$$ northern programs finish. They’re all garbage.

We compete against the best in the county. That’s our standard. If you’re not ranked in the top 10 nationally your not sniffing an SEC title.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Gundy has had 1 losing season ( his first year) in 13 seasons at OK ST with those lousy classes.

What's Pruitt's record as a head coach again?

All most people are saying was the class could have ended up better and even Pruitt all but admitted that last night.

Too early to condemn him as a loser but it's also way to early to start any comparisons with a coach like Gundy either.
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Never had a losing season :)
 
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volboy81 said:
Florida Georgia and Tennessee were all terrible when Mizzou joined the SEC and won the east
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FL and GA were way more talented. When Mizzou won in 2013 both GA and FL were coming off solid years...7-1 in conf in 2012. No one outside of MO picked Mizzou to win east either year.
 
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I will be interested in the results of next years recruiting to base my opinions on. I’m trying to look at this realistically and I think overall we finished about as well as we could. Could have been a couple players better or a couple worse. I’d say I’m indifferent. Which is a huge improvement over the feeling of desperation of the last season. 2 or 3 five stars wouldn’t have landed us in the sec championship next year anyway. We need to learn how to beat Vandy and South Carolina and even Kentucky. Hard to admit but that’s where we’re at. Gotta crawl before you walk and let’s face it this team is a ground up start over. Even the existing talent on the roster gotta build it back from the ground up. I think CJP can do some rebuilding. (Without the bricks hopefully)
 
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nesbuddha66 said:
High profile coach, huge fanbase. Winning season last year..

What gives? We need some perspective folks. Gundy's badass cowbodys, who would have beat the brakes off of us last year, came in at 33..


Pruitt is an actual football coach, and the players are going to improve..
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I've talked to some Michigan fans that are fully satisfied with Harbaugh and want whatever he can produce. I dont understand it but thats what he said.
 
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#1ManningFan said:
In the SEC recruiting is everything. Teams in other conferences can get away with crap classes. Not in the SEC.
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No it’s not....it’s not everything, coaching is at least as important.

Last year’s Tennessee team had upperclassmen who were from the #7 and #4 ranked recruiting classes in the country (in 2014 and 2015) and we finished 4-8, the worst team in school history. A good coach, a competent coach could’ve easily competed for the East with those players. Similarly, that same Tennessee team with all those highly rated players got its collective ass handed to it by both Vandy and Missouri, both of which routinely finish 25-30 spots lower in the recruiting rankings on an annual basis.

I understand that you need talent to win in the SEC, can’t disagree there. The point is though, without competent coaching, all that talent means squat, as we found out with Lyle Jones as our head coach.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Gundy has had 1 losing season ( his first year) in 13 seasons at OK ST with those lousy classes.

What's Pruitt's record as a head coach again?

All most people are saying was the class could have ended up better and even Pruitt all but admitted that last night.

Too early to condemn him as a loser but it's also way to early to start any comparisons with a coach like Gundy either.
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We get it dude, you don’t like the Pruitt hire, he sucks, he can’t recruit, yada, yada, yada. Whatever. Check back with us this time next year would ya?
 
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#46
#46
I don’t understand why CJP is being judged so harshly on an ‘ok’ signing class that he had a couple of months to cultivate. If the 2019 class blows then we know he can’t recruit, but you can’t judge him by this class alone.
 
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