Think Dooley understands Tennessee tradition???

[gsvol]

I do.

Number of football games won, 1926 til now:
(back before about then, college football players were semi-pro and in many cases not even students of the university they played for, those were the days that wealthy priviate schools such as Vanderbilt and So Cal were dominant, they could afford to pay players more.)

1 Alabama............661
2t Oklahoma..........653
2t Tennessee........653
4 Texas...............643
5 Southern Cal......641
6 Ohio State.........631
7 Nebraska...........626
8 Notre Dame........625
9 Michigan............615
10 Penn State........614
11 Georgia.............605
12 LSU..................577
13 Florida..............559
14 Miami-Florida......553
15 Auburn..............542
16 Arkansas...........534
17 Clemson............530
18 UCLA.................527
19t Georgia Tech......525
19t Miami-Ohio.........525
21 Fresno State......520
22 Arizona State.....514
23 West Virginia......513
24t Boston College....511
24t Mississippi..........511

Conferences represented in the top 25:

SEC.............8
Pac-10.........3
Big-10..........3
Big-12..........3
ACC.............3
Best of rest...5

I doubt Kiffin ever really got it, he probably is smart enough to realize coaching would be easier anywhere other than the SEC.

A couple of years ago Tennessee was number one on the above list, I seriously doubt Lame Kiffin would ever get us back to the top.

I believe if we are patient with Derek Dooley he'll be around a long time give us a shot at reclaiming the number one position.

After all, anyone who names a son 'Peyton' must love UT football.

 

[yont sum iss?]

Miami-Ohio? That was a surprise.

 

[BuckheadVol1]

Nice info, I completely agree that Dooley gets it! He has been around the SEC for a long time and I believe he knows tradition from his father.

 

[LLcoolDave]

the last thing I would doubt about Dooley is his appreciation for tradition. He's been around SEC ball all his life. SEC and tradition go hand in hand...can't have one without the other imo. So, although he may not know the Tennessee tradition like life time Vols, I'm positive he will soon and embrace them.

 

[fox1858]

the last thing I would doubt about Dooley is his appreciation for tradition. He's been around SEC ball all his life. SEC and tradition go hand in hand...can't have one without the other imo. So, although he may not know the Tennessee tradition like life time Vols, I'm positive he will soon and embrace them.

+1

 

[homemommy]

the last thing I would doubt about Dooley is his appreciation for tradition. He's been around SEC ball all his life. SEC and tradition go hand in hand...can't have one without the other imo. So, although he may not know the Tennessee tradition like life time Vols, I'm positive he will soon and embrace them.

Whoa!!! Is that you in your avatar picture???

 

[Lexvol]

Welcome back to football talk, GS!

 

[JTrainDavis]

Welcome back to football talk, GS!

:good!:

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Dust your britches off and get ready to go.

 

[VolDad]

Wow. GS is back. Tired of talking Politics? :hi:

 

[phipsivol]

I'm just happy that we're going to have a coach that wants us to be Tennessee and not the USC of the south.

 

[HighBrowCat]

the last thing I would doubt about Dooley is his appreciation for tradition. He's been around SEC ball all his life. SEC and tradition go hand in hand...can't have one without the other imo. So, although he may not know the Tennessee tradition like life time Vols, I'm positive he will soon and embrace them.

I agree with your comments here. He has already brought class back to your program and his leadership will bring our rivalry back to its esteemed and revered position. :toast:

 

[tm3]

those were the days that wealthy priviate schools such as Vanderbilt and So Cal were dominant, they could afford to pay players more.)

wait a minute -- they paid even more than bear bryant?

i never in my wildest imagination thought i would be at a UT game and cheering for a coach named "dooley," but now i'm all in.

of course i never thought i'd see black jerseys, either!

 

[gsvol]

Welcome back to football talk, GS!

Thanks Lex.

Sometimes you just got to let the dust settle, you know how much I hate dusting people off. ardon:

Another plus for the Vols is maybe we can put the Majors vs Fulmer arguments behind us now, that sort of infighting among us has taken a toll over the last few years imo.

Majors and Fulmer are a couple of pretty good horses, I don't care what anyone says, hopefully Dooley can get them to pull together now.

Records.......G......W......L......T
Majors......322...185...137....10
JM at UT...186...116....62......8
Fulmer......204...152....52......0

Anyone have a list of the assistants Dooley has hired so far???

I notice Derek has coached special teams among other things, I can't remember the last time we took a punt or KO return to the house, I'm hungry to see that happen again. :yes:

 

[jsc1973]

Majors and Fulmer are a couple of pretty good horses, I don't care what anyone says, hopefully Dooley can get them to pull together now.

I doubt it. You're talking about a couple of very proud, very stubborn men there. I've never thought Fulmer did anything wrong. All he wanted was the kind of deal Jimbo Fisher got at FSU, a guarantee of when he would become head coach; otherwise, he was going to take a head coaching job somewhere else. A lot of people were interested.

At the same time, Fulmer's asking for that gave Doug Dickey an opening to get rid of Majors and replace him with "his" guy. And that's all Johnny sees, that Fulmer did something that undeservedly cost him his job.

They don't have to like each other, but I hope they both get behind Dooley and the program.

 

[TXA&M07]

Its cool to see gsvol talking football, and dropping a little knowledge too. I can get used to it.

 

[raynochonspeed]

Think Dooley understands Tennessee tradition???

Who cares? What matters is the product on the field.

Maintaining "tradition" and having pride in Tennessee are not mutually inclusive. All-time records are great but hold little appeal to 15-17-year-old recruits that would comprise the future of the program.

Unfortunately, the only tradition of any great importance is recent tradition, i.e. the last decade or so. And that history is one of diminishing returns, scandal, and complacency.

Here's hoping Dooley exhibits the requisite respect for Tennessee tradition but infuses the present with innovation and change.

 

[gsvol]

:good!:

:salute:

Dust your britches off and get ready to go.

I think it's time to dust off the beer barrel tradition again! :toast:

While we're at it I'd like to see more Walking Horse on the field.

:td:

Wow. GS is back. Tired of talking Politics? :hi:

Now that I've got that board headed in the right direction, what's to say?? :happy:

wait a minute -- they paid even more than bear bryant?

i never in my wildest imagination thought i would be at a UT game and cheering for a coach named "dooley," but now i'm all in.

of course i never thought i'd see black jerseys, either!

Maybe the black jerseys can go the way of the orange shoes. :no1:


..........................G.......W......L......T
Vince Dooley......288.....201....77....10
Not too shabby.

Derek has an uncle, Bill Dooley who was head coach at North Carolina, Virginia Tech and Wake forest from 1967 to 1992.

His record;

School......G.........W........L.....T
NC........124........69.......53.....2 (2-8 first season)
(11-1 best season)(9-3 and 8-3-1 last two seasons)
VT........102........64.......37.....1 (4-7 first season)
(10-1-1 last season)
WF.........67........29.......36.....2 (8-4 last season)

Everywhere he coached he left the program in better shape than he found it.

 

[gsvol]

Miami-Ohio? That was a surprise.

Mostly beating up on the likes of Kent St and Cincinatti although they are 61-54-8 vs the Big East and 11-14-1 vs the SEC.

I knew Miami of Oh was in the top 25 from a while back but never looked closely at their record vs the SEC;

Team.................W.....L.....T
Florida................1.....0.....0
Georgia...............1.....0.....0
Kentucky.............4.....7....1
Louisiana St.........1.....2....0
South Carolina......3.....2....0
Vanderbilt............1.....3....0
Totals...............11....14....1
(didn't take the time to look up the years.)

Strange, if it weren't for Vandy and Kentucky, Miami-Oh would have own a winning record vs the mighty SEC.

I was a little bit surprised that Fresno St was in the top 25.

They have 19 wins vs the Pac-10 and are 1-1 vs So Cal and hung 42 points on USC in 2005 in a losing effort and have a winning record vs three other Pac-10 schools.

I doubt it. You're talking about a couple of very proud, very stubborn men there. I've never thought Fulmer did anything wrong. All he wanted was the kind of deal Jimbo Fisher got at FSU, a guarantee of when he would become head coach; otherwise, he was going to take a head coaching job somewhere else. A lot of people were interested.

At the same time, Fulmer's asking for that gave Doug Dickey an opening to get rid of Majors and replace him with "his" guy. And that's all Johnny sees, that Fulmer did something that undeservedly cost him his job.

They don't have to like each other, but I hope they both get behind Dooley and the program.

Same here and if JM can be an avid UT supporter with Kiffin at the helm then he should be a real fanatic with Dooley running the show.

Dooley kicked off really well, he paid homage to both and now we should be able leave that whole ball of yarn to the past.

Its cool to see gsvol talking football, and dropping a little knowledge too. I can get used to it.

Thanks TX.

By 'little', you mean not TMI?? :dunno:

Glad you aren't still mad at me from before Christmas, I was just poking a little fun ya know. :angel:

BTW, I listened to about 15 minutes tonight of Dooley answering questions and taking calls on Vol Talk and got more straight talk from him than in fourteen months of Kiffin's ums and uhs and mumbling a bunch of platitudes.

Derek Dooley is a straight shooter and we're going to like what he does at UT and I hope he does it for 20 or 30 years. I love that southern drawl.

Who cares? What matters is the product on the field.

Maintaining "tradition" and having pride in Tennessee are not mutually inclusive. All-time records are great but hold little appeal to 15-17-year-old recruits that would comprise the future of the program.

Unfortunately, the only tradition of any great importance is recent tradition, i.e. the last decade or so. And that history is one of diminishing returns, scandal, and complacency.

Here's hoping Dooley exhibits the requisite respect for Tennessee tradition but infuses the present with innovation and change.

I don't buy into your approach at all, although there is some truth to what you say.

I think the term 'product on the field' is poor rhetoric to be used to get us to where we want to be.

It may just be a matter of semantics but for one thing I find the term 'product on the field' to be rather dehumanizing, each and every player, five star to walk on is living breathing human being and to just be considered a 'product' like some sort of toothpaste is rather repugnant to anyone and especially a 15-17 year old.

I adamantly disagree that we have a "history of diminishing returns, scandal, and complacency."

If so then it is because of a 'product on the field' menatality rather than for the virutes of character that we have stood for and that has made us great all these many years years.

 

[nitrox]

Between the hedges
Waaaaaar Eagle, Hey
Chomp
Uga
Cowbells
Hotty Toddy

Anyone who grew up in the SEC knows. I would say Coach DD knows, too.

 

[gsvol]

Between the hedges
Waaaaaar Eagle, Hey
Chomp
Uga
Cowbells
Hotty Toddy

Anyone who grew up in the SEC knows. I would say Coach DD knows, too.

DD's dad Vince was a college all star football quarterback at Auburn University but when he committed to being the Georgia HC he stayed through thick and thin won six SEC championships, was named two times National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) “National Coach of the Year” and honored seven times as “Southeastern Conference Coach of the Year.”

For those who seem to be only half committed to supporting Derek Dooley to head up the UT program and willing at the first chance to jump back on the hot coach of the moment merry-go-round, just be careful you don't end up riding the goose instead of the proud steed you wish for.

You're in or you're out with me, no if ands or buts about it.

Hamilton got lucky, he closed his eyes, swung real hard and hit a home run.

BTW, since you mentioned cowbells, Missippi St lucked up, they just hired Manny Diaz from MTSU to be their defensive coordinator, that should tighten up the west division a tad.

Manny has great contacts in southern Florida and is a very good recruiter, MTSU recently had 20+ Florida recruits on it's roster, mostly because of Manny.

Diaz will be DC at MSU, a position he has held at MTSU for four years and will coach LBs.

I had been hoping that we might get him at UT.

MTSU was second in Div1-A in 2009 in the category of 'tackles for a loss' with 106 and he is only 35 years old.

 

[raynochonspeed]

I don't buy into your approach at all, although there is some truth to what you say.

I think the term 'product on the field' is poor rhetoric to be used to get us to where we want to be.

It may just be a matter of semantics but for one thing I find the term 'product on the field' to be rather dehumanizing, each and every player, five star to walk on is living breathing human being and to just be considered a 'product' like some sort of toothpaste is rather repugnant to anyone and especially a 15-17 year old.

That is entirely an issue of semantics; you seem to simply take exception to the turns of phase I had used. I could have easily written "results on the field" and intended the exact same meaning. I certainly wasn't "dehumanizing" the players. I believe your interpretation is either incorrect or intentionally contentious. Regardless, my point was that I feel that Dooley's priority should be restoring UT's reputation as a football team to be feared, not to maintain some anachronistic notion of "tradition".

I adamantly disagree that we have a "history of diminishing returns, scandal, and complacency."

You can disagree, but reality is proof. In the past decade, wins have decreased, arrests have become rampant (Fulmer Cup, the Pilot incident, ad nauseum), and appropriate changes in staff didn't occur until the aforementioned had become commonplace.

If so then it is because of a 'product on the field' menatality rather than for the virutes of character that we have stood for and that has made us great all these many years years.

Again, your "virutes [sic] of character" smacks of waxing nostalgic rather than accepting the current culture that exists in Knoxville. Ideally, yes, a return to teaching and raising pillars of the community is a noble and honorable aspiration. There is no denying that would be wonderful. But if Dooley accomplishes that yet goes 4-8, no matter of good deeds could save him.

 

[bluetickhound16]

I bet Johnny has to be shaking his head.... You KNOW he knew CDD when he was a little kid.... I bet never in a million years did he suspect that kid would one day be coaching Tennessee.....

 

[bluetickhound16]

[/QUOTE] But if Dooley accomplishes that yet goes 4-8, no matter of good deeds could save him.[/QUOTE]

I bet it'll get him a little more leeway than somebody like Orgeron would get....

 

[ukvols]

So, Bama has just passed us in the last two years. They've "outwon" us 26-12. Pretty sure that's right.