Things to consider for those wanting "another coaching change"!

[butchna]

What about the players that are transferring because of butch jones?

The same ones that were here because of him in the first place? :dunno:

 

[Volsfaninva917]

The same ones that were here because of him in the first place? :dunno:

Mind blowing

 

[jabber]

Tennessee[edit]

On December 7, 2012, Jones was introduced as the head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers, replacing coach Derek Dooley. He is the school's 23rd head football coach.

He made his coaching debut on August 31, 2013 in Neyland Stadium against the FCS Austin Peay Governors, resulting in a 45–0 Tennessee victory.[6] Tennessee earned its 800th victory in program history and became only the eighth school in the nation to reach that plateau after Michigan, Texas, Notre Dame, Nebraska, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Alabama.

On October 19, 2013 in Neyland Stadium, Jones led the Vols to a win over the eleventh-ranked South Carolina Gamecocks. This was widely considered Jones' first signature win. Jones' second signature win came on November 1, 2014 at Williams-Brice Stadium against the South Carolina Gamecocks. The Vols trailed 42–28 with 5 minutes remaining and came back to win 45–42 in overtime.

With the youngest roster in the FBS in 2014, Jones and the Vols finished the season with a record of 6–6 with bowl eligibility – the best regular season record and the first bowl game appearance the team has had since 2010.

On January 2, 2015, Jones led Tennessee to their first bowl win since 2007, in the Taxslayer Bowl.[7]

On September 26, 2015, Jones led Tennessee to its 11th consecutive loss to rival Florida, losing a 13 point lead in the fourth quarter. This came two weeks after losing a 14-point fourth-quarter lead in a loss to Oklahoma.

Following the loss, Jones was given a rusty trombone by a lifelong fan named Horse

 

[volinbama256]

Bottom line is he has done nothing yet to prove he belongs here except from a recruiting standpoint. If he starts closing out games where he is in the lead and he and the coaching staff start making better game decisions, then I will back him. Right now all he has done is given some excuses and coach speak on putting it on his shoulders, but nothing specific. Until we see a change, I am 100% backing those kids giving their all out there, but he hasn't shown me yet HE IS GIVING HIS ALL....

 

[Cartervol]

It just can't be done yet. He's going to get his 4 or 5 years. I think at this point a 5th year kind of depends on how the rest of this year goes and next. I think he's used up his cushion..

 

[Wylo]

I have surfed this site off and on for the last 3wks. There are COUNTLESS posters on here who want or hint that Butch is not the guy. Well...if you'll take a few moments...close your blow hole and just consider what really happens when a coaching change does happen. (We should know by now).
1. Every SEC school uses us a picture of instability to potential recruits.
2. Those of you who think we're loaded with young talent for the "new guy"?...Well you fail to realize that a certain percentage of our current players WILL transfer out. Many of them came here to play for Jones and Co. Sorry..but that's a fact.
3. The national media will have a field day with us.
4. Like it or not...this team is young and trying like heck to learn how to win big games...and they will.
(It's not like they've got proven veteran players to show them how.)
5. I could go on and on...but I'll save us all the time!
6. Wake up...be patient...and understand the process before you go running off a the mouth.

Allow me to retort:

1. They already use his failures in the same manner.

2. You do realize more players have left under Butch than you care to admit.

3. They already are having a field day with us. Choke jobs do that for a team.

4. Other teams seem to do well with youth. Georgia, Florida are just a couple examples.

5. Please do, there is PROOF on this side. Dreams on yours.

6. Wake up, expect and demand better before spitting the same garbage that Butch says over and over and over again.

 

[Wylo]

It just can't be done yet. He's going to get his 4 or 5 years. I think at this point a 5th year kind of depends on how the rest of this year goes and next. I think he's used up his cushion..

Unfortunately, this is correct

 

[sjt18]

I have surfed this site off and on for the last 3wks. There are COUNTLESS posters on here who want or hint that Butch is not the guy. Well...if you'll take a few moments...close your blow hole and just consider what really happens when a coaching change does happen. (We should know by now).

"Blow hole"? So you start your post off with an insult to anyone who would dare disagree with your "superior" opinion... then expect them to give you a fair hearing? I'll try.

1. Every SEC school uses us a picture of instability to potential recruits.

Yes... among other things like "That coach squanders talent", "Did you notice that all of his 4/5* WR's only caught two passes?" "Do you really want a coach that bungles game management then says the team lost because players didn't execute?"

If Jones continues to coach the way he did vs OU and UF... opposing recruiters will have no shortage of ammo.

2. Those of you who think we're loaded with young talent for the "new guy"?...Well you fail to realize that a certain percentage of our current players WILL transfer out. Many of them came here to play for Jones and Co. Sorry..but that's a fact.

Some do but not that many and it largely depends on who is hired. And... based on the first two years... players are going to leave if Jones stays. He has the highest attrition rate in the SEC over the last two years.

3. The national media will have a field day with us.

Kidding, right? In case you've been in a coma since Saturday... the national media is ALREADY having a field day. If Jones continues this non-sense and finishes with 6 or fewer wins which is VERY possible at this point then you haven't seen anything.

4. Like it or not...this team is young and trying like heck to learn how to win big games...and they will.
(It's not like they've got proven veteran players to show them how.)

UF is as young or younger and have a brand new coaching staff.

When you have a "young" team, it is absolutely critical for the team to feed off the confidence that the coach shows toward them. Coaching not to lose... tells players loud and clear that the coach does not trust them to win the game. UT's players won the UF game for 3 qtrs. and 5 minutes... then Jones took it out of their hands.

5. I could go on and on...but I'll save us all the time!
6. Wake up...be patient...and understand the process before you go running off a the mouth.

I understand the process. We've seen it play out at numerous programs, numerous times.

Patience to see if Jones gets his act together and salvages 8 wins out of this season? Sure. If he does, patience to see if he can step up and compete for the SEC next year? Sure.

Patience to watch this same hyper-conservative coaching lead to 7 or fewer wins against a schedule where UT had the better roster in 9 games? Sorry. But NO... and if YOU would tolerate that then WAKE UP and stop drooling on yourself.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

I have surfed this site off and on for the last 3wks. There are COUNTLESS posters on here who want or hint that Butch is not the guy. Well...if you'll take a few moments...close your blow hole and just consider what really happens when a coaching change does happen. (We should know by now).
1. Every SEC school uses us a picture of instability to potential recruits.
2. Those of you who think we're loaded with young talent for the "new guy"?...Well you fail to realize that a certain percentage of our current players WILL transfer out. Many of them came here to play for Jones and Co. Sorry..but that's a fact.
3. The national media will have a field day with us.
4. Like it or not...this team is young and trying like heck to learn how to win big games...and they will.
(It's not like they've got proven veteran players to show them how.)
5. I could go on and on...but I'll save us all the time!
6. Wake up...be patient...and understand the process before you go running off a the mouth.

Thanks Dave. Barely notice the hair coloring anymore.

 

[sjt18]

Oh, should have asked before wasting my time responding to that ignorance again...

WHO wants Jones to be fired? Who here has said they think it is ideal for UT football for Jones to coach so badly that he gets fired?

No one. Why do you guys CONSTANTLY try straw man arguments?

 

[Peytons forehead]

Current 17 year old kids were BEING BIRTHED the last time UT won a national championship. Who cares about tradition and history if you've sucked since they were old enough to like and understand football?

All teams go through tough times. 17 years removed from a national championship isn't bad. Over 105 teams would trade places with us on that I bet

 

[Catbone]

2 is actually a decent point. 3 I couldn't care less about

3 is already happening due to his current coaching

 

[orangebloodgmc]

I'm off the Butch train but I'm not calling for his head either. I'll give him a chance to change my mind.

In other words ... "bandwagon fan."

 

[MedicT]

Seems a bit of an oversimplification for a somewhat educated crowd, but has it occurred to anyone that it does you no good to waste your energy crying over Jones regardless of how poor of a coach you think he is. He is guaranteed another year and in all likelihood the next 2 regardless of outcome.

 

[DNBVOL]

I have surfed this site off and on for the last 3wks. There are COUNTLESS posters on here who want or hint that Butch is not the guy. Well...if you'll take a few moments...close your blow hole and just consider what really happens when a coaching change does happen. (We should know by now).
1. Every SEC school uses us a picture of instability to potential recruits.
2. Those of you who think we're loaded with young talent for the "new guy"?...Well you fail to realize that a certain percentage of our current players WILL transfer out. Many of them came here to play for Jones and Co. Sorry..but that's a fact.
3. The national media will have a field day with us.
4. Like it or not...this team is young and trying like heck to learn how to win big games...and they will.
(It's not like they've got proven veteran players to show them how.)
5. I could go on and on...but I'll save us all the time!
6. Wake up...be patient...and understand the process before you go running off a the mouth.

Whoa OP, you know common sense isn't allowed on VN. But you're exactly right. We don't need another coaching change. The program needs stability, and the fanbase needs to learn some patience.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

I have surfed this site off and on for the last 3wks. There are COUNTLESS posters on here who want or hint that Butch is not the guy. Well...if you'll take a few moments...close your blow hole and just consider what really happens when a coaching change does happen. (We should know by now).
1. Every SEC school uses us a picture of instability to potential recruits.
2. Those of you who think we're loaded with young talent for the "new guy"?...Well you fail to realize that a certain percentage of our current players WILL transfer out. Many of them came here to play for Jones and Co. Sorry..but that's a fact.
3. The national media will have a field day with us.
4. Like it or not...this team is young and trying like heck to learn how to win big games...and they will.
(It's not like they've got proven veteran players to show them how.)
5. I could go on and on...but I'll save us all the time!
6. Wake up...be patient...and understand the process before you go running off a the mouth.

Or you could wake up.................. You don't even understand what the real problem is. Has nothing to do with any of the stuff you just posted. All of the youth, depth etc is fixable and is being fixed. But as I have stated over and over on this forum, until CBJ and staff make a drastic change with the way they manage games it won't matter. All of that stuff will be a mute point if he keeps coaching us out of games. That's the problem and all of the spinning in the world is not gonna change that fact. Don't matter that he can recruit, is putting the program in a great place etc it will all be for nothing if the man can't coach on game day! Winning is the goal, right? Ultimately that's what it's gonna come down to.

 

[sjt18]

Whoa OP, you know common sense isn't allowed on VN. But you're exactly right. We don't need another coaching change. The program needs stability, and the fanbase needs to learn some patience.

The program does NOT need another coaching change. But it needs to tolerate a coach who fails even less. Jones has time. But he MUST CHANGE the way he manages games. He can't keep blowing winnable games with bad coaching decisions.

 

[gorockytop98]

Oh, should have asked before wasting my time responding to that ignorance again...

WHO wants Jones to be fired? Who here has said they think it is ideal for UT football for Jones to coach so badly that he gets fired?

No one. Why do you guys CONSTANTLY try straw man arguments?

Tennessee football would be in a much better place if Butch lost the rest of his games and the AD was forced into firing him.

I'm a patient guy, but when someone doesn't own up to his mistakes, I move on. Butch Jones won't "learn how to win" because he thinks he already knows how, despite strong evidence to the contrary.

 

[gorockytop98]

The program does NOT need another coaching change. But it needs to tolerate a coach who fails even less. Jones has time. But he MUST CHANGE the way he manages games. He can't keep blowing winnable games with bad coaching decisions.

Tennessee "tolerating" a football coach is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[MedicT]

The program does NOT need another coaching change.

:thud::good!:

 

[BeecherVol]

Whoa OP, you know common sense isn't allowed on VN. But you're exactly right. We don't need another coaching change. The program needs stability, and the fanbase needs to learn some patience.

I remember hearing stability mentioned at every turn when Dooley was getting ripped.

Stability is a fine thing that should be a goal. That's not keeping Dooley for 5 years or Jones for 5 years regardless.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Oh, should have asked before wasting my time responding to that ignorance again...

WHO wants Jones to be fired? Who here has said they think it is ideal for UT football for Jones to coach so badly that he gets fired?

No one. Why do you guys CONSTANTLY try straw man arguments?

Because it's impossible to argue against the results on the field for most of the past decade.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

:thud::good!:

Dude, keeping a coach for stability is, well, stupid. Unless losing is the "stable" everyone is advocating. And let's be clear I'm not advocating that he should be fired. What I am saying is that unless he changes what he does on game day there's not gonna be much of a choice.

We as fans, alumni, boosters, former players etc. should be demanding that he be held accountable, do some self reflection, make whatever changes that demand to be made and prove to us that he can be the elite coach everyone wants him to be.

 

[GameTime]

I'm off Jones as well, but don't want the guy fired. Can he go to some kind of coach school to learn how to react to in game decisions.

As a group we were staggered by the OK game decisions, and then we were laid low by the Fl. decisions.

You could give this guy 35 Power Ball numbers and he would not get one right. Being facetious, but please Jones, wake up and coach like a champ. The team needs you.

 

[allenrikvik]

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Is 10 years enough time.. Just checking

Interesting question. In my mind, I have 4 years. In years 1-2, installing the coaching systems and talent pools to support the systems. In year 3, the transition season, systems in place, talent and execution being testing. In year 4, the coaches players/systems and execution in place, the team is being testing (coaches and players). That should be the deciding year, unless year 3 is such a debacle that it is apparent that the coaching systems are flawed.