Things I've learned from our fans in the last 24 hrs.

#51
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vollygirl said:
Learning to separate fact from opinion isn't taught in school anymore.
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Yes. We see it here every day. According to the post-modern ideal that dominates academia and the left generally... there isn't any difference between fact and opinion since neither is concrete or objectively "true".
 
#52
#52
sjt18 said:
1Bray isn't an average QB. He may be a massive bust or a great success but he isn't "average". His God given talent precludes "average".

2It is better to be right than popular... but much worse to be neither.

3Bray had a bad scrimmage... that isn't nearly as embarrassing as some of the hysterics we've seen from fans here.

4-6He threw some awful passes for some reason. He also had several passes dropped. He had a few occasions where either he or the receiver didn't know the pattern or else didn't make the right read.

There's alot that goes into a passing game. Many times a QB can look terrible because other guys screw up too much in ways that aren't as obvious. Sometimes receivers bail QB's out.

I remember having similar arguments when people were clamouring for Crompton to be replaced early in the season. He wasn't great but the guys around him weren't either so it made him look worse than he actually was. Same deal applies to TB last Saturday.
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1. I don't think it is illogical for someone's amazing natural ability to allow him to be average. See Erik Ainge and a few dozen others.

2. Cheap shot. And possibly wrong depending upon the crowd you are with. Hitler would have been a lot less dangerous without popularity.

3. Link?

4-6 Excellent post.
 
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#53
#53
sjt18 said:
Yes. We see it here every day. According to the post-modern ideal that dominates academia and the left generally... there isn't any difference between fact and opinion since neither is concrete or objectively "true".
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"I think therefore I am." Rene Descartes started this stupidity.
 
#54
#54
WesternKyVol said:
1. I don't think it is illogical for someone's amazing natural ability to allow him to be average. See Erik Ainge and a few dozen others.
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I am not sure that I would consider Ainge's ability that great. He never threw the long ball very well. He was extremely slow. Mostly he was always a head case. His success was more a function of Cut being a very good OC than talent.

JC makes a better case study. He always had talent but was a complete bust for much of his career because of his head.

2. Cheap shot.
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Not really intended to be.
3. Link?
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Kidding? There are several threads dedicated to how bad Bray was/is and how worried various people are after microanalyzing everything he did to include his "body language" on the sideline.

Bray's success or failure as a QB was not determined on April 16, 2011. Rex actually made a very keen observation. This simply isn't a team with the talent and experience to run a "draft" split scrimmage like this.
 
#55
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sjt18 said:
I am not sure that I would consider Ainge's ability that great. He never threw the long ball very well. He was extremely slow. Mostly he was always a head case. His success was more a function of Cut being a very good OC than talent.

JC makes a better case study. He always had talent but was a complete bust for much of his career because of his head.

Not really intended to be. Kidding? There are several threads dedicated to how bad Bray was/is and how worried various people are after microanalyzing everything he did to include his "body language" on the sideline.

Bray's success or failure as a QB was not determined on April 16, 2011. Rex actually made a very keen observation. This simply isn't a team with the talent and experience to run a "draft" split scrimmage like this.
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Guess I'm just a knee-jerk, unstable troll, but I think 5-30 from our "All-SEC" qb in any setting is worthy of some discussion on a message board dedicated to the Tennessee Vols. The expectations for Bray from some just seem a little high to me. And I haven't seen anyone advocating benching him so the discussion seems very much in bounds.
 
#56
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WesternKyVol said:
Guess I'm just a knee-jerk, unstable troll,
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I never said nor suggested that.
but I think 5-30 from our "All-SEC" qb in any setting is worthy of some discussion on a message board dedicated to the Tennessee Vols.
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Yes. As long as it is balanced, factual, and not so subjective in nature. He would have had a bad day had those around him played well. Probably around 45%. But those drawing conclusions about him or claiming there is a QB controversy now are just out there.
The expectations for Bray from some just seem a little high to me.
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Not for me. He's the UT Vol QB. The expectations should be high. He has the talent to meet those expectations so IMO there's no reason not to have them.
And I haven't seen anyone advocating benching him so the discussion seems very much in bounds.
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I've seen a few say it or suggest it... especially early on after the scrimmage.
 
#57
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sjt18 said:
He's the UT Vol QB. The expectations should be high. He has the talent to meet those expectations so IMO there's no reason not to have them. I've seen a few say it or suggest it... especially early on after the scrimmage.
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Expectations: A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.

Goal: The aim or object towards which an endeavour is directed

I may be the one you are referencing. I was there, and my suspicions about Bray were sadly aided. But I never ever said or implied that Bray shouldn't be our starter. I did, however, say that right now he was even with Simms, as far as overall competence at QB goes. And I don't think that that is as far in LF as many on here are hoping.
 
#58
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sjt18 said:
I never said nor suggested that.
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I know but the OP did. He was very vocal. And I fully expect him to pick it up again.

But no, you didn't. I think you're a good poster, honestly. Not trying to pick a fight.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Expectations: A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.
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I expect a guy with his talent and the experience he gained last year to be very good. I am completely aware of the definition.

I may be the one you are referencing. I was there, and my suspicions about Bray were sadly aided. But I never ever said or implied that Bray shouldn't be our starter. I did, however, say that right now he was even with Simms, as far as overall competence at QB goes. And I don't think that that is as far in LF as many on here are hoping.
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Sorry but nope. Simms can't count to 3 or else he just completely stinks at reading coverages.

Bray isn't fully developed reading coverages either... but he has enough arm to make plays when things break down. Simms doesn't.
 
#62
#62
I'd like to think I make a differance in a young man's life. I think I have more influence than his parents, ideals, and beliefs. Therefore my good sir, I bid you, Good day!
 
#64
#64
I learned a long time ago that most that post on here are 15-20 and it shows.
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#67
#67
VolBalla2014 said:
i just stay quiet around this time to avoid being criticized for forming an opinion or stating an observation.
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Fulmer fan, I'm guessing? Based on your choice of pic.

And sure enough...workin' like heck to avoid any controversy.

Too dang funny.

Go Vols.
 
#68
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WesternKyVol said:
Expectations: A strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.

Goal: The aim or object towards which an endeavour is directed

I may be the one you are referencing. I was there, and my suspicions about Bray were sadly aided. But I never ever said or implied that Bray shouldn't be our starter. I did, however, say that right now he was even with Simms, as far as overall competence at QB goes. And I don't think that that is as far in LF as many on here are hoping.
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Simms and Bray are worlds apart. Simms has peaked; Bray had a bad day.

Funny that it took a 5-30 day for Bray to make him "even" with Simms.

That says a lot about Simms...and even more about Bray.

Go Vols.
 
#69
#69
VolsRule said:
recruits decide to come to schools based on a message board? ::post-4-1090547912:
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Recruits decide to go to schools for a whole lot of reasons.... and quite a few frequent this board. There's a pretty good chance that they at least take notice and check out fan criticisms of coaches.

I certainly would in their shoes.
 
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