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Even if our team was not that good this season, I really felt like it was going to be a sight to behold when we filled Neyland Stadium this Fall.

Now, I feel that if this supposed legislation actually happens, this is the beginning of the end of college sports as we know it. What a shame. As if COVID wasn't bad enough for sports. I'm not sure you can ever put this Genie back in the bottle.
 
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uncle chewii said:
Say this does pass. Do these kids think schools are going to pay them millions a year for their abilities. I don't think so with the all the hit and misses with the ratings coming out of high school, even though that is getting better. They also need to think with them getting paid will scholarships no longer be offered because if they are getting paid and then getting a free education the school's will lose money, or us as fans will have to start paying more for tickets. If scholarships are no longer offered then they will have to pay for education and that will cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars and then if they will have to pay taxes on this income. Is there going to be a base rate and they get paid at minimum wage or will it just be they are eligible for endorsment deals only. They need to think about these things before they jump the gun.
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Where did you read that schools would be paying? The lawsuits were pretty clear, athletes have the right to collect for the use of their image's from third party entities. The NCAA has had several years to work thru this. They knew the law was against them. They sat with their thumb up their butt and did ziltch.
 
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onthehill71 said:
Where did you read that schools would be paying? The lawsuits were pretty clear, athletes have the right to collect for the use of their image's from third party entities. The NCAA has had several years to work thru this. They knew the law was against them. They sat with their thumb up their butt and did ziltch.
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I didnt say the schools were. I asked do these kids think they would. I have mixed feelings on this whole thing as these kids are signing a contract with the school basically when they sign the letter of intent. Now games like ea sports ncaa using their images on stuff they should get payment/endorsement but I don't think schools should have to pay these kids if they are getting scholarships. The kids shouldn't be lacking for anything while playing for the school (aka taco bell) and have free meals at school.
 
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90 yard bombs, end arounds, hi tempo offense, Manning records broken, defense forcing the issue! man! Jack is rolling TONITE!
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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Athletes in all sports have been getting paid forever. I was a D1 college athlete 20 years ago and I, as well as pretty much anyone who was any good got paid. At least make a legitimate market out of it and try to level the playing field
 
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As long as the 90 yard bombs is against Bama, Georgia, and Florida I can dig the jack! Let’s goo!😁
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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Jesus Christ this is the dumbest argument of all time. College athletes who have value have been getting paid forever. At least create a level playing field and a legitimate market out of it
 
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Mose Phillip's Watch said:
So alabama players won't be making as much now?


If this happens I'm done with college sports, yah I'm a mad old white guy
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You always have the dumbest responses. Tell me exactly when you think players weren't getting paid? If you watched football from the 80's on you were/are watching guys who were/are getting paid. As I said in other posts, I was D1 athlete 20 years ago and I (along with any other athlete in any sport who had talent) was getting paid. If you this is what gets you to quit watching college sports good riddance, we'll be better off without you dragging down our collective IQ's
 
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reading the OPs post, he’s right and it’s very depressing that the world has changed so much to this type thinking. I am sooooo glad I don’t give a damn anymore!!! The Butch season where we let Oklahoma and Florida come back made me to where I quit caring and so much and getting mad. Now I just laugh at the program I used to know.
 
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volsack said:
You always have the dumbest responses. Tell me exactly when you think players weren't getting paid? If you watched football from the 80's on you were/are watching guys who were/are getting paid. As I said in other posts, I was D1 athlete 20 years ago and I (along with any other athlete in any sport who had talent) was getting paid. If you this is what gets you to quit watching college sports good riddance, we'll be better off without you dragging down our collective IQ's
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You truly are the dumb jock, I'm talking about money from schools when they start paying players legally
 
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Who cares? The transfer portal crap already ruined college football. There's no loyalty anymore. Kids today are narcissists and leave their teams high and dry when things don't go their way.
 
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volsack said:
Athletes in all sports have been getting paid forever. I was a D1 college athlete 20 years ago and I, as well as pretty much anyone who was any good got paid. At least make a legitimate market out of it and try to level the playing field
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I know they have been getting paid under the table and everyone knows it really is nothing new but the proposed Bill would make it legal for them to get large amounts of money. I have no problem with somebody making a dollar but the way this has been put out there your talking about completely changing college sports.

If a kid gets money from a shoe company out of high school for example that shoe company will want them to go to a school that has their shoe contract and will persuade that kid to do so no matter what is best for the kid that is just a fact. Or if a team gets a new contract with a company to use their likeness and each player can make more than another school that would be a unfair advantage for that school and with transfer rules like they are they will become free agents to the highest bidder and I don't think anyone except the school with the contract and the players would think that is amateur athletics.

I would wager that as we speak apparel companies and player reps are trying to figure out how to use this to their advantage and you can't blame them for doing it. After the player gets the money, pay taxes, hire a agent to negotiate the contract and pay the handler that help line them up with the shoe and player rep to begin with who do you think will prosper in the end.
 
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thistime said:
It sounds great but the chance of ever having your school, no matter who it is, ever being relevant will basically depend on who their sponsor is. I don't think that is what any of us want in the long run unless your school has the best sponsor.
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I have thought on this since you posted.
I am not convinced it would be that much different than what goes on now.
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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What’s to stop Nick Saban from buying jerseys or autographs?
 
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Voltopia said:
The ideal solution would be if there was a "G league" for young people who wanted to go pro but didn't want to go play college football. It would be a great solution to this problem. The kids who want paydays can go get paid, and the rest can resume college athletics. What's that you say? You say it isn't actually about the players, but about the historic rivalries and college traditions and the schools? You mean to tell me the kids wouldn't be making a dime if they didn't have the exposure brought on by their respective programs and the large TV contracts negotiated by the conferences!? Get out of here with that. That can't be true. ESPN said the players are worth a fortune, I heard them say it. ESPN is always right -- they told me so last week. And the week before. And the week before ...

Seriously though, G-league, young players who want to get paid can go get paid, done. Done deal. Sign on the dotted line. People talk about seeing "the best players" as a draw, and that college football would suffer if the best players played in a developmental league -- whatever. What I want is to watch Tennessee football (and by extension SEC football). I don't care if there's a G-league out there taking the top 2-3% of the college talent. Fine. Go. I wasn't watching for you anyway. I was watching to root for Tennessee and the kids who want to play for Tennessee. That's what most college fans are in it for, in my opinion. Meanwhile, how about someone goes and casts a spotlight on the NFL and their restrictive hiring policies?

I'm kidding of course, this entire system is voluntary and if people don't want to participate then they SHOULDN'T SIGN and shouldn't attend the schools. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
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I really like this idea, then the Alabamas of this world would automatically be back on par with the rest of us as most of their 5 stars would be going that route.
 
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I am an old white guy and have come around to a radical idea that most will object to but might be the best solution. Officially make college teams a minor league system or semi pro league. Why force someone to go to school if they don't want to??? If you say a scholarship is worth 80,000 then just give them that money and let them pay to go to school if they want to get an education. Why not let them hire an agent? Maybe set an age limit like 22 or 23.
The system as is is broken. Which is better, letting a high school coach who is getting something under the table advising an athlete which college to sign with or letting them hire an agent? Should these kids trust the college coach/recruiter? Paying players several thousand under the table, etc.. Making up nonsense course like North Carolina did for the athletes to attend.
The idea of "student"/athlete in the big money sports is gone.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I think there are ways to mitigate the damage to amateur athletics.

For instance, it's pretty simple to make it illegal for universities to pay students beyond "cost of attendance" scholarship+ as now. The university profits off the student's NIL, sure, but they also provide a lot of free stuff. To keep the playing field level for big and small programs alike, legislate it to be no more than that.

It is also easy to legislate that no third party (whether Nike or Leigh Steinberg or whoever) can influence what school a student chooses. Will players break that law? Sure, just as they break laws and NCAA rules today. But if they get caught, they forfeit a lot.

And so on.

Yes, this has the potential to change amateur college athletics forever. But we're smart enough to come up with a solution that preserves most of what we love about the current ways.

I'm not quite so "sky is falling" as some, I guess.
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You had me in agreement until the smart enough to come up with a solution. We are talking about Congress. I consider them not smart enough for a solution on anything.
 
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thistime said:
I know they have been getting paid under the table and everyone knows it really is nothing new but the proposed Bill would make it legal for them to get large amounts of money. I have no problem with somebody making a dollar but the way this has been put out there your talking about completely changing college sports.

If a kid gets money from a shoe company out of high school for example that shoe company will want them to go to a school that has their shoe contract and will persuade that kid to do so no matter what is best for the kid that is just a fact. Or if a team gets a new contract with a company to use their likeness and each player can make more than another school that would be a unfair advantage for that school and with transfer rules like they are they will become free agents to the highest bidder and I don't think anyone except the school with the contract and the players would think that is amateur athletics.

I would wager that as we speak apparel companies and player reps are trying to figure out how to use this to their advantage and you can't blame them for doing it. After the player gets the money, pay taxes, hire a agent to negotiate the contract and pay the handler that help line them up with the shoe and player rep to begin with who do you think will prosper in the end.
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This law is designed to benefit the agents. Shoe companies, boosters and businesses will funnel funds directly to players rather than through the universities. There won’t be more money to go around there’ll actually be less because it’ll go to agents. Sad part will be all the uncles and coaches who’ve received a piece of the action will get cut out.
 
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Raebo said:
I am an old white guy and have come around to a radical idea that most will object to but might be the best solution. Officially make college teams a minor league system or semi pro league. Why force someone to go to school if they don't want to??? If you say a scholarship is worth 80,000 then just give them that money and let them pay to go to school if they want to get an education. Why not let them hire an agent? Maybe set an age limit like 22 or 23.
The system as is is broken. Which is better, letting a high school coach who is getting something under the table advising an athlete which college to sign with or letting them hire an agent? Should these kids trust the college coach/recruiter? Paying players several thousand under the table, etc.. Making up nonsense course like North Carolina did for the athletes to attend.
The idea of "student"/athlete in the big money sports is gone.
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I would propose a middle ground. The NCAA should accept that some players will be capable of getting some bucks. Define them as semi-pros or the like, allow them to join teams only as invited walk ons with a limit of 2 per team. This would help distribute those guys. Kids can reclassify each semester or year.

Would also insure that no one can use school logos and unis for their services to those paying players. Have to buy those rights from ncaa or school if allowed at all.

Alternate would be that any player wanting that status would have to enter a draft or lottery to see where they go to school. Maybe just p5 schools involved.
 
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