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Vol423 said:
That issue has already been litigated, and the NFL is allowed to set whatever parameters it wants for individuals to be eligible to play in its league - they have opted for minimum of 3 years out of high school.
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DUH

I’m merely giving my opinion as to “how” I think this could be resolved......and as how I think this is a much better solution.

The NFL can do whatever they want. However if they could have “reasonable” discussions/negotiations with the NCAA I think “something” could be accomplished.

How many kids would “legitimately” be “ready” to play professional football right out of high school? Probably not many.

However how many “could” be ready after 1 or 2 years of college? Probably a lot.

Just saying this could solve everything.......while keeping things as “fair” as possible.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Then college sports will be ruined. I've already given up on the NFL, NFL, and MLB for their caving so giving up college sports won't be that much of a stretch. My country and my family mean much more to me than a bunch of self-entitled 18-22 year old football players.
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College football will miss you soooo much.
 
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The fallacy in most of the argument for paying players is that the fans really want to watch them. Most fans, in person or TV, are there to watch their team or the team they have wagered on. Was there a single Bama fan (other than family) that became a Vol because Alvin Kamira came to UT, or is anybody going to ditch the vols and become a sooner because Gray is there? These kids get acclaim as much from who they play for than how well they play. Will a kid throwing for 5000 yards at Austin Peay be valued the same as a 2000 yard passer at Bama? Yes a star at UT is widely praised but if he or she was performing the same at a DII who cares.
If the solution is a G-League for those that want to get paid, and the SEC for those happy with a "special" handshake, I'd wager that the G-League pulls about the same attendance as an intramural game while Neyland and Thompson Boling stay packed.
 
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Let's be honest, endorsing a college athlete doesn't make good financial sense for many of these companies. It's not like they are gonna make millions coming out of high school. The school's name and mascot are trademarks, the kid can sell his name and likeness all he wants but must be careful because the knife cuts both ways.
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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There’s a great documentary done by hbo, but I don’t remember the name. Most of the kids aren’t getting the education you pay for. Athletes get degrees, but what does that mean?. Sbnation wrote an article on it as well. It’s pretty telling. Programs specifically designed to simply keep someone eligible vs actually getting an education nullifies the “you’re getting a free education” argument. It’s also a shame that the only real way to the nfl is through the ncaa. And before you bring it up, there are exceptions, but not the norm.
what alternative would you propose?
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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Maybe the only way to get illegal money out of college sports is to open an avenue for substantial legal money to be earned.

I think I’m fine with this, actually.

Is Tuberville fer it, or agin’ it?
 
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I think the main problem is the Professional Leagues and the way they use the NCAA football and basketball leagues as their minors. I think that if you look at hockey and baseball the way they are set up is really the best way to go for the average College Sports fan.

The pros do their homework and they have a good idea of who could potentially be the best anyway and those are the ones that are more apt to get paid any endorsement money. As for the kids not drafted out of school the NCAA should use some of that TV money and have the networks and pro leagues donate funds to pay all college athletes a stipend of some type to help out ALL of them financially and maybe even some of the other students as well. They can afford it.

Let the Pro's draft them and pay them right out of high school if they decide to enter the minor league systems. If they are eligible go to college and decide to go that route, they should be on a guaranteed four year scholarship (as will all recruits) and they are still attached to that Pro team until they graduate. If they are a bust or are injured they can be released by the team that drafted them.

The team no longer has an affiliation with the athlete and he or she can try to get on another pro team if they can after they graduate like any other player. The kid gets a education and everyone is happy for the most part. In the case a player comes out early he or the pro team he goes too must repay all scholarship money used for that player, plus a percentage to be put in the schools educational fund.

The main argument is all about money and making it to the Pro's, this gives every body a choice. It also makes the professional leagues pony up for their minor league systems which should have been done years ago.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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Another social justice experiment. It won't stop here. Government control. One of the parties is in love with unions, etc.

Players already think they control the schools, fans etc with this kneeling. They really don't. You wait until they start picketting, etc. It will be a mess. Wait until the government starts with equality/equity compensation for revenue losing sports. Claiming it's unfair for football players to get more, males to get more than females.

Why don't high school players get paid for those ticket sales?

Some schools struggle to keep athletics going. Just wait until they can't pay as well as the school in the next town over.

We think the transfer portal is a mess now. It's probably a good idea to get ready for a backup hobby.
 
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Its not necessarily a direct exercise in socialism to introduce this bill. What congressman into'd it by the way? What the plan truly represents is this: there are many in political positions of power who would love nothing more than to find a way to implode college football. They do not like the idea of any football player commanding such a large profile on campus. They feel all universities would be much better with no big money mens sports. If they can corrupt the college game by passing this cancerous bill, then mission accomplished. Make no mistake.......this is part of a bigger plan to destroy the game. Frankly (and many of you will not like this) its the leftist/liberal way. Seemingly nothing we can do about it.
 
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HiltonHeadVol said:
Its not necessarily a direct exercise in socialism to introduce this bill. What congressman into'd it by the way? What the plan truly represents is this: there are many in political positions of power who would love nothing more than to find a way to implode college football. They do not like the idea of any football player commanding such a large profile on campus. They feel all universities would be much better with no big money mens sports. If they can corrupt the college game by passing this cancerous bill, then mission accomplished. Make no mistake.......this is part of a bigger plan to destroy the game. Frankly (and many of you will not like this) its the leftist/liberal way. Seemingly nothing we can do about it.
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It appears the evolution of many bad ideas start in liberal cesspools of the West Coast and Northeast. Makes it's way through congress cronyism to ruin everything else scorched earth.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I think there should be an earning cap for players.... or maybe since big brands, Nike etc... cannot use a likness unless it's a portion of what the school negotiate with said brand. Make it only for local businesses......idk its difficult... but the players have to market themselves..... Olympic college athletes can i believe as part of Olympic marketing campaign... not sure if they get paid but i imagine they do
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I remember years ago there was a QB for Colorado that was also an Olympic Skier. He ended up having to quit FB because NCAA wouldn’t let him keep his endorsements for skiing.

Thing is, college FB and basketball have become Billion dollar businesses. The amount of money being raked in by the Conference TV contacts alone far exceed the scholarship cost these kids are getting.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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How is allowing players to profit off their abilities and likeness socialism? Wouldn’t that be the exact opposite?
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Care to expound, Karl?
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LOL! Use your brain numb skull. The current system doles out a defined distribution based on academic costs, and may provide a moderate stipend
All the while the University is reaping profits as a result of marketing their athletes, with no compensation to those athletes for their namesake. An athlete being able to profit from his namesake is the essence of capitalism. It's the f'ing height of capitalism. In this case it's in a conceptual stage, but's it's progress
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Maybe we should get back to the days of STUDENT athletes rather than wannabe professional athletes masquerading as students. If you don't want to be a student athlete, then go pro. Otherwise, go flip hamburgers. Nobody is forcing anyone else to be a student athlete.
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Thank you NCAA, for letting this go on (paying players). I have personally been turned off by pro sports in the last few years, and almost exclusively watch college sports. If all this happens, I guess I will spend a lot more time with family, hiking, fishing, hunting, playing chess - whatever.

The purity and simplicity of the game is almost gone already. I think this will be the nail in the coffin for that - even if it is done as smart as possible. It's a "NO" for me, but so far, no one has asked me.
 
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SCRocket said:
What about players that don't do their job on the field? Are they going to get fired or are they going to be paid for not doing their job?
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Well duh, and Tennessee is an "at will" State. So, we just fire them, and hire someone else.
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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Let the NCAA go away...the world will be better off without it.
 
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