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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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Has any college sport gotten better over the past few years? Has any pro sport gotten better?

Unfortunately, it's all about money...players moving from team to team......no identity......seems like the natural progression, when big money is thrown in there. Look what happened to NASCAR because of the increased revenues in the sport. I know everyone loves money, and I get it.......but, it does tend to ruin sports. College basketball is a shell of itself, imo. When money takes over, the players become "the sport".....and then it becomes about their opinions and their politics and whatnot.....not about the game. Kinda like our society in general...it's all about the individual.....not the whole. Just my opinion though, Unfortunately, college football is the next to take the tumble.......Although, I hope I'm wrong.
 
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thistime said:
Things in the NCAA are about to change and not for the better. There has been a Bill brought up in the US Senate that will over ride all State Laws, Conference and Division rules that let college athletes profit from their name and image. This will totally change EVERYTHING in amateur college sports.

I understand that players have been taken advantage as far as companies and Universities alike having benefited financially by using these athletes for profit in not only ticket sales and advertising but video games and countless other avenues as well. They are the reason we watch the games and they are the reason that so many schools make so much money.

With that being said they are given a yearly scholarship and a free education if they chose to take advantage of it and that cost is anywhere from $30,000 to $80,000 + a year depending on the school. With that education it has been said that a degree will increase a individuals ability to earn a living by $1,000,000 over a lifetime so that alone is a type of payment.

If this Bill passes individual players or groups of players will be able make deals to benefit just like a pro basically . Nike, Under Armour, Adidas and any other company will be able to pay endorsements to players and potentially steer them to a school that uses their products. It happens now to some extent more so in basketball but it will be open season for all sports and be legal.

What then, will colleges be forced to pay them to play at their school ? Will they become employees of that school and will they be given benefits such a insurance and if they get hurt will they be able to draw workmen comp ? If it is a state school will there be a pay scale set forth by the states which will vary by state. Will private school have to make public how much they will pay ? Will the players get agents and if so will they be considered amateurs at that point ? Will colleges require them to pay their own way. Will this be the end of college football and college sports in general ?

I understand that being a college athlete at a top level requires a huge amount of commitment. There time is consumed with school and training and many come from backgrounds that does not allow then to receive spending money from home. Some do get money in round about ways now and it is widely known practice legal or not. For many a part time job is not practical but they can apply for certain student loans to get that money like many regular students are forced to do.

I think the sad part is if this passes NCAA sports as we know it is gone. All that will be left is the minor leagues and so many of those that are willing to go that route to chase a dream will miss out on the education that many will never be able to afford. That education is what many will need to get out of the situation they are trying to escape and that education is what most will wish they had when that dream never happens.
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Will they be required to file W-2 with the IRS and pay federal taxes on what they earn? If so those same kids that was lobbying to be paid all of sudden gonna be in a rude awaking if they have to pay in.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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Well, it's a good thing this is actually the exact opposite of "The Socialism Experiment", so you don't need to worry and be so sick.
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
Will they be required to file W-2 with the IRS and pay federal taxes on what they earn? If so those same kids that was lobbying to be paid all of sudden gonna be in a rude awaking if they have to pay in.
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It would be income, so yeah they would have to file tax returns. I've been filing with the IRS since I was a 16-year old kid. I'm sure they will be able to figure it out.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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If you disapprove of Tennessee socialist football, how come you posting on this board?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I think there are ways to mitigate the damage to amateur athletics.

For instance, it's pretty simple to make it illegal for universities to pay students beyond "cost of attendance" scholarship+ as now. The university profits off the student's NIL, sure, but they also provide a lot of free stuff. To keep the playing field level for big and small programs alike, legislate it to be no more than that.

It is also easy to legislate that no third party (whether Nike or Leigh Steinberg or whoever) can influence what school a student chooses. Will players break that law? Sure, just as they break laws and NCAA rules today. But if they get caught, they forfeit a lot.

And so on.

Yes, this has the potential to change amateur college athletics forever. But we're smart enough to come up with a solution that preserves most of what we love about the current ways.

I'm not quite so "sky is falling" as some, I guess.
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Most modern day football players in P 5 schools graduate with a Degree. Many get advanced Degrees. That is a huge advantage over the average college student who struggles with grades, money, and transportation snd have accumulated student loans of over $100,000. I do not oppose the athletes being allowed to make $$ with their name etc. However, there should be a set limit on how much any athletic can “earn” and limit should apply to all players attending all schools. If not, I can see Texas and Alabama buying all the best players. I know they already do, but it would other schools to do it legally.
 
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VolMarine1371 said:
Will they be required to file W-2 with the IRS and pay federal taxes on what they earn? If so those same kids that was lobbying to be paid all of sudden gonna be in a rude awaking if they have to pay in.
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Probably 1099. The top players may want to set up an S-Corp.
 
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I'm all for allowing kids to make money off of their likeness etc which is what I believe the bill OP is referring to will do. Kids should be able to get local or national endorsements if they are good enough. That way schools don't have to pay them extra, and it could incentivize students to stay in school longer (particularly for basketball). If Zion could have legally made money off of like a Nike endorsement, he might have stayed another year.

I worry that this will drive all the smaller schools out of doing football period if they have to pay some type of salary though. There's just no way they can afford to pay 85 kids even just $10,000 a year.
 
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amarcus07 said:
Not sure how true this is, but I read somewhere that it Auburn were its own country, it would have finished Top 15 in the medal count in the 2006 summer olympics. Mostly because of swimming and diving.
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Well if it's the 2006 Summer Olympics it's not true.
 
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NDRock said:
Players won’t be employees and won’t get paid from the Universities. They will just be free to make money on their own, through such things as endorsements. Personally, I’m for freedom and capitalism. God bless America.
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Will will create even more divide between the P5 and the G5 schools. As if it isn’t already big enough.
 
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Haven't you heard? The government is going to pay for everyone's college.

Government... our savior. It does everything so well.
 
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NDRock said:
Players won’t be employees and won’t get paid from the Universities. They will just be free to make money on their own, through such things as endorsements. Personally, I’m for freedom and capitalism. God bless America.
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This isn't about freedom or capitalism. This is about Congress creating its favorite thing - new taxable income out of thin air.
 
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There are so many problems with the concept of paying college athletes I would hate to be the one to sort them out.

Who gets paid? Everyone? Everyone in every sport? Does everyone get paid the same? if not, how's that going to work itself out? Salary caps or the sky's the limits?...... All I can see is more problems with paying the kids, not less.

Someone mentioned the concept earlier of a farm system for NBA and NFL. That's a better answer. They have the money to pay kids while they develop, and it makes more room for the kids that want to be real student/athletes. Let's end the farce. Let them go straight to the pros. And if a kid commits to a college instead - there should be clawbacks to the college if they leave early for the league (with the league paying those clawbacks). And schools should be obligated for four years of tuition if they offer a kid a scholarship and it doesn't work out for any reason, injury, not as talented as we thought, etc. whatever. It doesn't cost the school that much to let those kids go to class for the rest of their four years.
 
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Collegiate sports is on a slippery down hill slope before this legislation. This just puts it on roller skates.

Grad transfer rule is nothing but basically "free agency" for big schools to raid mid major and other schools for depth and to overcome previous recruiting mistakes. Immediate eligibility for transfers makes it simply "rich getting richer". When major schools withhold scholarships for deserving HS young men in order to rebuild their roster faster with transfers kinda reminds me of Tark the Shark. That's how he build UNLV and everyone called him a "renegade". My how times have changed.

I think the players should be able to make money off their name and pictures, up to a point. The money & contracts should be handled thru the NCAA, school or conference office. Outside deals will only bring in the criminal element, then players will get shafted by "handlers" and agents. Just watch.

The money is ruining it. TV money, Coaching money, players wanting their "share". Just because a player wears #7 at Tennessee doesnt mean he should get royalties off those jersey sales. #7 has been a famous number along before today's player was born. Same for #45, #27, #16, #31, #33, #44, #57, etc. Its that way at every school. Now, if the players name is on the back, I admit, he's gotta get something.

I dont think they'll ever get to the point where it will be enough for the football and basketball players because those sports have to fund the other sports, primarily Title IX sports for women. Meanwhile those sports get ridiculous perks and benefits like training, tutoring, rehabilitation, first class travel, etc that comes with a price but no one seems to mention. Players dont just get books, tuition and room and board anymore. They get a hell of alot more.
 
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Vol-in-Atlanta said:
There are so many problems with the concept of paying college athletes I would hate to be the one to sort them out.
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No need to worry. Congress is on the case! I know that makes everyone feel better. There is nothing better than a bunch of know-nothing lawmakers that have never actually run an organization creating laws of how businesses have to operate. They know absolutely nothing about how to implement solutions for anything!
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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Maybe we need an economist to come in and explain capitalism VS. Socialism. The way I see it is that they are opening the market up for these players which would be more in line with capitalism. These players will be able to take advantage of what the "market" pays them to do what they do.

As it stands right now they provide a service and are limited by an artificial ceiling on what they can make. I'm not sure where this will lead, but I know if I had the same ability and only a number of years to capitalize I would take full advantage of whatever I could get paid.
 
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Anyone should be allowed the opportunity to play professionally whenever they want.

This would solve the monetary problem.

If you got the skills go play professionally and make money.

If you don’t go to college and get prepared.

Paying college players isn’t going to solve problems and it will ONLY benefit a very few.......and most of them will be paid (at some point) anyway.

You really think D2 and D3 players are going to benefit?

How about the 3rd string inside linebacker?

Bama, OSU, USC, ect will benefit (because of more exposure).......do these schools really need “more” help?

Allowing anyone the “opportunity” to play professionally keeps everything “fair” and allows “anyone” the opportunity to make money from their likeness.
 
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evergreen15 said:
Maybe we need an economist to come in and explain capitalism VS. Socialism. The way I see it is that they are opening the market up for these players which would be more in line with capitalism. These players will be able to take advantage of what the "market" pays them to do what they do.

As it stands right now they provide a service and are limited by an artificial ceiling on what they can make. I'm not sure where this will lead, but I know if I had the same ability and only a number of years to capitalize I would take full advantage of whatever I could get paid.
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Then college sports will be ruined. I've already given up on the NFL, NFL, and MLB for their caving so giving up college sports won't be that much of a stretch. My country and my family mean much more to me than a bunch of self-entitled 18-22 year old football players.
 
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JoAllan said:
Allowing anyone the “opportunity” to play professionally keeps everything “fair” and allows “anyone” the opportunity to make money from their likeness.
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That issue has already been litigated, and the NFL is allowed to set whatever parameters it wants for individuals to be eligible to play in its league - they have opted for minimum of 3 years out of high school.
 
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