They call that targeting but..

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#102
The SEC was asked if it was targeting, and their official reply was,

"to be considered targeting, the player has to be considered defenseless"

Which means either they misinterpreted the rule, or we have. But considering it's never been called by a ref and analysts don't know, and coaches don't know, maybe they should clarify the rule...
 
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I hate that this call is used to benefit some teams. And, it is.

Nobody seems to know the rule from one game to the next. It's really a bs call because there's nothing to protect other players on the field. What about the oline ,lbs and dline players that get concussed? The call is used to protect the cash cows of football.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
The sheer power of the hit is troubling to some fans. But that was not targeting. Violent yes, dirty, no.

Of course, if the emotional part of your thinking is still ticked off at Bama, then never mind.
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So the one called against A&M wasn't targeting either?
 
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gunner said:
There certainly seems to be a bias for them.
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<blue font> When your entire administrative staff lives and works in the state of Alabama, your kids and grandkids go to school in Alabama, your cost structure is almost nil because your location is the state of Alabama then certainly the SEC as an entity plays no favorites whatsoever. All the "major" corporations these days that has their headquarters located in Alabama and the SEC is located there, why? ( don't laugh) Alabama Businesses List: Companies Headquartered in Alabama
 
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GAVol said:
For everyone's good, helmet to helmet hits have to be eliminated from the game. Period.
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Intentionally, yes. but we can't be calling penalties every time two helmets touch. Or, we could just start playing flag football. That sounds really exciting, doesn't it?
 
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#112
I turned that game off after that play. I knew A&M had no shot whatsoever playing both the Tide and the refs....
 
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VolunteerTitan3 said:
We WILL be back my man! And lord willing i am going to give these local Alabama bandwagin fans complete h*** when it happens! And to think that i actually felt sorry for them when they had that fat Freddie Kitchens out there stumbling around losing every game....
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Bama won't ever be down again unless they get in trouble for cheating. It is what it is
 
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Fred_Jones said:
Remember Reeves-Maybin got ejected for a hit half as bad as that.
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though I agree that the JRM call was obviously not intentional it had to be called. The problem is not so much the ones that do get called its the ones that are not imo. The JRM hit is just a terrible example to use because its a really grey area. If the guy stands up its a perfectly legal hit no flag.... if JRM pulls up anticipating the guy stays crouched he pops up and maybe gets a huge gain.

The ref and JRM are both in a position where they have to do what they do respectively. JRM has to make the hit and the ref has to throw the flag. On replay the ref knows it wasn't intentional but there is no way to "prove" it.

I think we far too often fall into a situation where people apply false equivalencies. Learn context, instead of just being butthurt and trying to find things that on the surface look the same but in practice are not. There are a lot of bad calls made in college football. The JRM call was not bad it was just bad luck. There should be something in place on review where they can maybe downgrade hits like JRM's to where the player does not get ejected for playing football but there should still be a penalty maybe.
 
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#115
I got no problem with helmet to helmet being a penalty. I have a huge problem with player ejections unless it looks completely intentional. Very few if any are.
 
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pimo1 said:
though I agree that the JRM call was obviously not intentional it had to be called. The problem is not so much the ones that do get called its the ones that are not imo. The JRM hit is just a terrible example to use because its a really grey area. If the guy stands up its a perfectly legal hit no flag.... if JRM pulls up anticipating the guy stays crouched he pops up and maybe gets a huge gain.

The ref and JRM are both in a position where they have to do what they do respectively. JRM has to make the hit and the ref has to throw the flag. On replay the ref knows it wasn't intentional but there is no way to "prove" it.

I think we far too often fall into a situation where people apply false equivalencies. Learn context, instead of just being butthurt and trying to find things that on the surface look the same but in practice are not. There are a lot of bad calls made in college football. The JRM call was not bad it was just bad luck. There should be something in place on review where they can maybe downgrade hits like JRM's to where the player does not get ejected for playing football but there should still be a penalty maybe.
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B.S. That returner never called fair catch and just ducked his head down at last split-second. There's no way JRM could have pulled up or veered off. Refs blew it. But they don't really care.
 
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Remy said:
It's Bama, it's the SEC, they don't call those type penalties on the Tide. Never have never will, been watching the thumb on the scales for Bama over 40 years.
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This is, essentially, why Bobby Dodd led Tech out of the conference.
 
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I wouldn't have had a problem if they'd tossed Wilson for targeting. The returner wasn't technically defenseless, but Wilson absolutely (and unnecessarily) lowered his head into the hit.

However, it was not nearly as egregious as the hit A&M's #6 put on Harris, who was engaged with another player and had no chance to avoid it.
 
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edyeary said:
I got no problem with helmet to helmet being a penalty. I have a huge problem with player ejections unless it looks completely intentional. Very few if any are.
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Maybe an ejection if it happens more than once. But, it is so subjective, to kick a player from the game the first time is excessive.
 
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