These coaches are morons and that's being nice

#77
#77
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The reality is that we were one substitution blunder away from beating the #10 team on their field. That's on the coaches.
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So there wasn't any other play during the game that mattered? A missed tackle, missed fg or any other play that wasn't executed as called had no effect on the outcome?
 
#78
#78
It is crystal clear that there are a plethora of "Vols Fans" who find it their life's mission to demean, and even question, the effectiveness of our coaching staff. After 22 years of coaching, I can tell you with 100% certainty that we all make mistakes. No coach has ever, nor will ever, get it right every time. The mistakes we have all witnessed thus far are indicative of the blending of a new coaching staff and players demoralized by an unstable program over the last 3+ years. While we all (I pray) bleed Orange, we don't have the right, nor true insight, to bash our staff because "I" would do it differently. Vol Nation has fallen into the greatest pitfall facing any program on the rocks, negativity. I have read several post of those who declare each week that the sky is falling on our prestigious and beloved program. Now before several of you get your negative soap box out to bash this post understand two things. 1) I too see areas which need to be addressed, but have experienced firsthand the limitations a coach has when teaching everything that needs to be taught in the practice time alloted. This is a program we all knew was in a rebuilding state, no surprise that there are going to be areas of weakness. 2) Let this coaching staff establish a foundation with which to rebuild our proud tradition of dominance. The body of their work over the next five years will determine the worth of this coaching staff. Rome was not built in a day, and the old adage, "It takes five years to build an elite program" still rings true. Gut check time Vol Nation. Are you a fare weather fan, or a true Volunteer?
 
#80
#80
Manvol said:
I'll agree with this to a point, but I am affliated with a high school team the cordinators make 97% of the reads and calls an 99% of the substitutions..
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Correct. How many times do you see teams come to the line and the QB will stop and look at the sideline for the call. It was a bad coaching call not to have the defense you wanted on the field and the subs standing ready to go. My thought is put your best 11 on the field and play ball no subbing on the last play of the game.
 
#81
#81
volmanbill said:
So there wasn't any other play during the game that mattered? A missed tackle, missed fg or any other play that wasn't executed as called had no effect on the outcome?
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Don't disagree but the last play of the game that had the direct result on the TD is the one is question. The PI that wasn't mattered but we still kept them out of the endzone. We had time to adjust to the missed FG and did. So, it all had an impact but the biggest one is the last one of which we, not they, directly controlled the outcome with substitutions.
 
#82
#82
volmanbill said:
So there wasn't any other play during the game that mattered? A missed tackle, missed fg or any other play that wasn't executed as called had no effect on the outcome?
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Of course there was. If we make that 4th and inches we're not even talking about this. If we don't give up a 4th and 14. If LSU doesn't turn the ball over again and again. That's not the point. If we don't have too many men on the field, we win the game.
 
#83
#83
great post!

calban said:
Was this TNs first road game? YES
Was it 50% of the team's first road game? YES
Are a good percent of the players freshman? YES
Do young players make young player mistakes? YES
Was there more than one play that decided the game? YES
Did the coaches have players in position to win the game at the end? YES
Did they win? NO
Live with it.
Take it out on GA next week.
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#84
#84
SonRise said:
It is crystal clear that there are a plethora of "Vols Fans" who find it their life's mission to demean, and even question, the effectiveness of our coaching staff. After 22 years of coaching, I can tell you with 100% certainty that we all make mistakes. No coach has ever, nor will ever, get it right every time. The mistakes we have all witnessed thus far are indicative of the blending of a new coaching staff and players demoralized by an unstable program over the last 3+ years. While we all (I pray) bleed Orange, we don't have the right, nor true insight, to bash our staff because "I" would do it differently. Vol Nation has fallen into the greatest pitfall facing any program on the rocks, negativity. I have read several post of those who declare each week that the sky is falling on our prestigious and beloved program. Now before several of you get your negative soap box out to bash this post understand two things. 1) I too see areas which need to be addressed, but have experienced firsthand the limitations a coach has when teaching everything that needs to be taught in the practice time alloted. This is a program we all knew was in a rebuilding state, no surprise that there are going to be areas of weakness. 2) Let this coaching staff establish a foundation with which to rebuild our proud tradition of dominance. The body of their work over the next five years will determine the worth of this coaching staff. Rome was not built in a day, and the old adage, "It takes five years to build an elite program" still rings true. Gut check time Vol Nation. Are you a fare weather fan, or a true Volunteer?
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I agree. I said yesterday that it seems Knoxville has moved to south east PA and become Philadelphia. I thought the coaches did an amazing job on Saturday because I am willing to look at 60 min of football and some of these fans see only seconds of the game. Having the wrong number on the field is a concern for me because it happened 2 weeks in a row. I guarantee it won't happen in the GA game. To be honest I'm a little concerned that they are going to spend so much time on it that it could detract from something else that needs to be worked on.

It seems like a bunch of people on this board "knew" it was going to be a couple years before we were going to be a good football team again but you're not acting like it.
 
#85
#85
sjt18 said:
So is getting to 0:00 on the clock with a 17-10 lead against a team that has avg'd a number 6 recruiting class over the last 5 years and has a depth chart loaded with guys who have been around 2+ years WITH UT's current roster.
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Why is understanding this so hard? Great post, short and to the point.:good!:
 
#86
#86
footballplayer said:
Correct. How many times do you see teams come to the line and the QB will stop and look at the sideline for the call. It was a bad coaching call not to have the defense you wanted on the field and the subs standing ready to go. My thought is put your best 11 on the field and play ball no subbing on the last play of the game.
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Your best 11 for defending a 3 or 4 wide spread is different than your best 11 for defending a goaline offense with 7-9 Ols. That is common sense. One of the commentators said it best "LSUs incompetence brought out UTs inexperience".
 
#87
#87
Ulysees E. McGill said:
Your best 11 for defending a 3 or 4 wide spread is different than your best 11 for defending a goaline offense with 7-9 Ols. That is common sense. One of the commentators said it best "LSUs incompetence brought out UTs inexperience".
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We already had the guys on the field to cover their recievers. It's not like you're worried about getting beat deep in that situation.
 
#88
#88
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The reality is that we were one substitution blunder away from beating the #10 team on their field. That's on the coaches.
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To even be close in this game speaks volumes of the job that the UT coaching staff did in player preparation and in their game planning for this game.
 
#89
#89
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I don't understand why we even made any substitutions in that situation.
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Those who do not understand that football is about match ups should stop with their critical analysis. If you understand anything about match ups, then you know why their was substituting taking place.
 
#90
#90
Tux said:
To even be close in this game speaks volumes of the job that the UT coaching staff did in player preparation and in their game planning for this game.
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And that doesn't change the fact that they blew it when the game was on the line.
 
#91
#91
Tux said:
Those who do not understand that football is about match ups should stop with their critical analysis. If you understand anything about match ups, then you know why their was substituting taking place.
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And we already had the players on the field to match up with their recievers that they sent in. Jackson, Evavs, Waggner, and Teague were already on the field before any substitutions were made. You only have 10 yards to cover. You don't have to worry about getting beat deep.
 
#92
#92
EaglesVols91 said:
We're supposed to take time off the clock, but we throw play action on 2nd and 3. We go for it on 4th down and it's the most predictable play ever. We rush 3 men on 4th and 14 and have the rest just lay back. Did they forget we sacked their ****** QB WHEN WE PRESSURED HIM? You can make all the excuses in the world for this team and their problems, but we should have won this game by at least 2 scores
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On 2d and 3, if we don't make it, you will complain that we ran the most predictable playe ever.

Most predictable play ever? I am confidant that if we ran a sweep, or tried a short pass and it didn't work, you'd be criticising that decision too. If you can't bang out 1/2 yard, you are not going to be able to do much else either.

As for rushing 3 men on 4th and 14, if you'll recall, we blitzed earlier on 3d and 11 and they burned us.

Must be easy to second guess every decision that doesn't pan out. Do you get second guessed by anonymous idiots in your job?
 
#93
#93
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
The reality is that we were one substitution blunder away from beating the #10 team on their field. That's on the coaches.
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Yes it is... without some pretty good coaching, UT would not have been one blunder away... they would have been about 40 points away.
 
#94
#94
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
And we already had the players on the field to match up with their recievers that they sent in. Jackson, Evavs, Waggner, and Teague were already on the field before any substitutions were made. You only have 10 yards to cover. You don't have to worry about getting beat deep.
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It is very obvious that you have no clue about match ups and what they mean.
 
#95
#95
I definately questioned the 4th down call and was hoping for QB sneak. I really wished that before we called the TO after trying to bring them offsides that Simms would have just sneaked the ball after the D was lulled into thinking we were not going to snap it.

I mean everone realized that they were going to call a TO with about 10 seconds left. Why not snap it last second?
 
#96
#96
EaglesVols91 said:
We're supposed to take time off the clock, but we throw play action on 2nd and 3. We go for it on 4th down and it's the most predictable play ever. We rush 3 men on 4th and 14 and have the rest just lay back. Did they forget we sacked their ****** QB WHEN WE PRESSURED HIM? You can make all the excuses in the world for this team and their problems, but we should have won this game by at least 2 scores
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Yeah, trying to win the game on offense instead of running three plays and punting was stupid. We should have gone back to Fulmer days and just try to sit on a lead and hope we can win instead of going for the win. We have problems in coverage when we blitz, so we rushed 3. Obviously stupid. It would have been brilliant if we had broken up the pass, but absolutely stupid since we didn't. You are also correct that we should have dominated his game on the score board. Two touchdowns, why not three. As you know we had 217 yds. of offense. No excuse for not dominating the score board since they only had 434 yards.
 
#98
#98
Volinnooga said:
On 2d and 3, if we don't make it, you will complain that we ran the most predictable playe ever.

Most predictable play ever? I am confidant that if we ran a sweep, or tried a short pass and it didn't work, you'd be criticising that decision too. If you can't bang out 1/2 yard, you are not going to be able to do much else either.

As for rushing 3 men on 4th and 14, if you'll recall, we blitzed earlier on 3d and 11 and they burned us.

Must be easy to second guess every decision that doesn't pan out. Do you get second guessed by anonymous idiots in your job?
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Nitpicking, armchair second guessers always amaze me.
Wonder if any of them have ever called a real game.
OC/ Dcs have about 10 seconds to analyze a situation and get a play to the field.
It's easy to call the right play after the fact.
From what I watched they got most of them right.
 
#100
#100
volnationwarrior said:
yes im sure its not dooleys falt
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He is responsible. Maybe (or not) you have managed a group of people doing something complex or spread over a large area? Even when you don't know someone has done something... even when they do something you've taught them not to do or failed to do something you've taught them to do... YOU are still responsible.

In 3 years when DD's future at UT is being evaluated good or bad... no one including DD will care whose fault this was. It will simply be another building block on a budding career or else another hole in a sinking ship.


That said... the post game comments make it fairly clear that a call was made, LSU changed personnel, UT changed their call, and under the pressure of that situation some guys became confused over the call.

When a player group is called, ALL of the players need to be personally responsible for getting on or off the field.... and if they mess up? Where does DD go for players who won't mess up worse? They aren't on this team right now.
 
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