Theory on Pruitt/Coaching Turnover

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Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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You do realize he has someone with a pretty good deal of experience when it comes to offenses as his boss, right?
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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I would disagree with his lack of knowing those on the offensive side, as his hires would just be instinctual. My belief is that being in the business for so many years, Pruitt has a keen knowledge of offensive coaches and in fact, has to have a great idea of what those guys offer because he had to plan and scheme against these guys every week. You better know your enemies tendencies and plans in order to attack them.
 
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Pride85 said:
You do realize he has someone with a pretty good deal of experience when it comes to offenses as his boss, right?
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I thought about that. But meshing personalities, style, execution, etc. takes time. And as much as Fulmer knows about offenses, unless he's calling all of the day to day shots, its just like getting a reference from your boss on who to hire when you take a new managerial role. Not all references pay off until you get your own feel of things.
 
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Boca Vol said:
The offense and defense aren't as separated as you think. The DC and OC share their gameplans in meetings. I promise, Pruitt knows a lot of coaches on the offensive side of the ball.
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Good to know. Just wonder if him knowing them is enough. My suspicion is he'll need some churn to find the right mix, since this is his first time as a HC. Trust me, I believe in the guy - I just think there are some areas where this is on the job training for him.
 
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cardvolfan said:
I would disagree with his lack of knowing those on the offensive side, as his hires would just be instinctual. My belief is that being in the business for so many years, Pruitt has a keen knowledge of offensive coaches and in fact, has to have a great idea of what those guys offer because he had to plan and scheme against these guys every week. You better know your enemies tendencies and plans in order to attack them.
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Common sense
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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I thought the offense did fairly well considering that it entered the season with no solid QB , no established running back , and no offensive line . Play calling was hit or miss at times , but so was QB paly and the O line....so it would be a difficult deal for anybody. I think you have to give the staff more time before passing judgement. They took over the worst team in the 100+ year of the program . There would be bumps in the road for any offensive coach
 
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Pruitt understands O and he has a specific style of O he wants to run. He may or may not hire the guy fans covet but he will place a premium on possessing the ball and limiting mistakes.

Now, if there is a hang up about getting a top name OC, my guess would be that it has more to do with the AD attending practices and meddling with the OL. Big name OCs don't take jobs to be mentored and challenging their authority to supervise their position coaches would be viewed as an insult.
 
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In that kind of market, candidates can be presented that have no real interest in coming to coach. But, just going through the motions can boost their stock (and that of their agent). We haven't a clue what's going on with this hire.
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
I thought about that. But meshing personalities, style, execution, etc. takes time. And as much as Fulmer knows about offenses, unless he's calling all of the day to day shots, its just like getting a reference from your boss on who to hire when you take a new managerial role. Not all references pay off until you get your own feel of things.
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Very good points.
 
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I think he wants what he said he wanted from the start.. Based on his knowledge of the SEC, he wants a bigger, more physical, run oriented pro style offense.. Its why he began by recruiting bigger lineman and bigger running backs. Its why the S&C programs were changed to begin to bulk up smaller framed players that previous staff had recruited. That will however take time for players to physically mature to the point of success.. He wants ball control so as to keep his defense off the field and rested. He began this transition last year and it will take time and I would be surprised if he reversed field now and went towards an air assault spread type offense thus prolonging the development of an offensive system that will work..
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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Report I heard today,


Pruitt wants Briles, Briles wants to bring his own OL Coach, which kicks Friend out, that's the hang up right now. source: can't say....
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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During my daily prayers, I ask, Why? here is someone who has never coached a day of College Football, and post a statement like this and I ask why? "Given Pruitt's background" lets examine that little statement, unless you are related to CJP and/or coached beside him...........you don't know jack about this man. The media is feeding off dumb post like this, because the one thing CJP has demonstrated, he doesn't like media, because of the uninformed or misinformed crap they print, BECAUSE, he doesn't care for most of them. So, when discussing about something you really only have a fan's point of view and maybe high school sports background, the bottom line.........I expect more uninformed post by you and others who really don't know jack about anyone on the UT staff. Let them do their job, you do your job and lets all be good fans and wait and see what happens.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
During my daily prayers, I ask, Why? here is someone who has never coached a day of College Football, and post a statement like this and I ask why? "Given Pruitt's background" lets examine that little statement, unless you are related to CJP and/or coached beside him...........you don't know jack about this man. The media is feeding off dumb post like this, because the one thing CJP has demonstrated, he doesn't like media, because of the uninformed or misinformed crap they print, BECAUSE, he doesn't care for most of them. So, when discussing about something you really only have a fan's point of view and maybe high school sports background, the bottom line.........I expect more uninformed post by you and others who really don't know jack about anyone on the UT staff. Let them do their job, you do your job and lets all be good fans and wait and see what happens.
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Actually I think you read my intent wrong - it was intended as a hypothetical question vs. judgment of Pruitt. I trust him and believe he will get the job done. I just also know as a manager, any time you are in a role you haven't done before, there is an initial period where some parts of your role are more trial and error, and other parts where your are comfortable day 1.
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Just throwing this out there...

Given Pruitt's background as a Defensive Assistant with no prior head coaching experience, I would expect alot of trial and error with the hires he makes to coach the Offense. Keep in mind most of the hires he's made on the Defensive side, he's either worked closely with in the past, or they actually worked for him as a position coach when he was the Coordinator.

Same can't be said for the Offense, and he has to rely on instinct, relationships and advice from others. How they actually work together is another story. I think that's exactly what's happened with Tyson Helton and what could happen with Will Friend. Those were instinctive hires based on past relationships or recommendations. But sometimes when that's the basis of a hire, after you've actually had to work together, you quickly figurer out its not a fit.

Bottom line - I fully expect to see alot of turnover with coaches for the Offense over the next couple of years. Meanwhile we wait...
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No bases whatsoever to expect that. Lots of teams have more turnover every year than he had his 1st year. Assistant coaches leave to take HC jobs. Happens every year at Bama
 
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Smokeyshowl66 said:
Actually I think you read my intent wrong - it was intended as a hypothetical question vs. judgment of Pruitt. I trust him and believe he will get the job done. I just also know as a manager, any time you are in a role you haven't done before, there is an initial period where some parts of your role are more trial and error, and other parts where your are comfortable day 1.
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Ok, but, to even have a speculation, you need to have a point of reference, and that is what the internet has done, statements without proof or source, to be even more exact.........We are a bunch of ignorant fans that like to type our opinions..........like I am doing now =] There is no requirement to have any reference, experience, empirical evidence, research, etc. etc. I could write a book and start it out as...............As I speculate on the success of Nick Saban.........his body of work has to be related to strict parents and catholic schools, and go from there as a unauthorized biography of Coach Nick Saban, and you know what? more than half of the state of Alabama would purchase the book and swear it was true.............. and my only defense would be "I said I was speculating!"
 
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