Theory on National Media Bashing

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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
I assure you I'm not dense. He didn't go after McQuery because he had no case to prove defamation. Defamation is writing in big black block letters on a white background "Schiano covered up child rape at Penn State" on university property. He'll be contacted by two dozen lawyers requesting to litigate this alone.
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Actually there is no difference in meaning in what was stated under oath than what was written on the rock.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I doubt it. Doing that allows the testimony to be reopened and others to be called to testify under oath. GS somehow avoided being deposed in the PSU matter even though he was a coach there at the time the incidents happened.

And his life has not been ruined. As far as I know he is still employed by OSU. All that happened was that the article in the Washington Post that was mostly ignored became very visible to everyone. He did not sue them - maybe if he had - this would have been avoided.
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There is no evidence to reopen. He'll welcome the opportunity to clear his name. At the same time, his lawyer will say he was on the verge of a thirty million dollar contract that would be the first of many. UT, in not controlling what was painted on that stupid rock, is now responsible for his lost income and ruined career. Correct or not, this is how it goes down.

Remember, the jury does not have to be unanimous on this, only the majority has to sympathize.

I could win this one with the picture of the rock and a link to Volnation.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
I assure you I'm not dense. He didn't go after McQuery because he had no case to prove defamation. Defamation is writing in big black block letters on a white background "Schiano covered up child rape at Penn State" on university property. He'll be contacted by two dozen lawyers requesting to litigate this alone.
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Is that so? And who would he sue? The rock is literally available to anyone with a can of paint. TN? How would he prove that anyone from the university had anything to do with it? Wouldn't that be "hearsay"?

Just as you say he has not case against McQuery, he has no case here either.

hard to sue anyone when you can't prove who did it.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Is there any possibility at all that the national media has a valid point? Is there any possibility that the assistant who told the assistant he saw something is not accurate especially considering that no charges were brought after such a high profile case was investigated both legally and in the public, and considering that he has held 3 very publicly vetted positions since?

I don't know the answer but for a bunch of people who have no access to information to have such a negative impact on a career and a university and a football team and to continue to pile on relentlessly says a lot for about why we haven't had a valid program in 10 years and won't for the foreseeable future.

This herd-think is counter productive and dangerous.
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It's an allegation in court records that while not enough evidence to prosecute, has enough legs to keep him from fighting back against it in any meaningful way.

Also, if you think this level of passion is unique to UT, then you're not a fan tbh.,
 
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maxxx said:
Wayyyy more than those 4 are smashing UT and mostly its fans right now. I have listened to a couple of interviews this morning about this and I 100% agree with them. If Gruden was a PSU assistant in the mid 90's no one would give a damn about the scandal there. All of this faux outrage is total BS. Its only because people think UT should have hired a bigger name. All this crap and people never bothered to check if these are actual facts or hearsay. Once again, the UT fanbase has completely embarrassed the school and program. Good job idiots.:eek:k:

PS. Maybe UT fans need to look in the mirror on this one. If the vast majority of the nation is saying this was completely wrong and an embarrassment, maybe they have a point. These are people looking at this with absolutely no skin in the game. They are just observers, and they are all saying the UT fans f@%&ed this up. I'm embarrassed to be a UT supporter today.
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The exit door is the little red X in the upper right corner. See yourself out.
 
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Volfan76 said:
While they would never admit to it, the national media sympathizes with Greg Schiano and what he did. They believe at that pay level, they are above morals...they know that they wouldn't have protected a child if it meant they would lose their career. They think that the money and status is too important. They hate us for having a standard that they would never live to....they hate any standard that doesn't put money and status above everything else.
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What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
There is no evidence to reopen. He'll welcome the opportunity to clear his name. At the same time, his lawyer will say he was on the verge of a thirty million dollar contract that would be the first of many. UT, in not controlling what was painted on that stupid rock, is now responsible for his lost income and ruined career. Correct or not, this is how it goes down.

Remember, the jury does not have to be unanimous on this, only the majority has to sympathize.

I could win this one with the picture of the rock and a link to Volnation.
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So...you know old Greggy then?
 
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All those talking f__k sticks that are trashing our fan base would throw out the Sandusky connection at the first opportunity. Negative recruiting would be to the point that he would have to be fired in year 2 with a nice juicy buyout.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Actually there is no difference in meaning in what was stated under oath than what was written on the rock.
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If someone wrote publicly for the entire world to see "volfan102455 covered up child rape at UT", and after almost 20 years there was no evidence that happened except that it says so on the rock, and you missed out on national fame, $30M, and your reputation was permanently ruined, you'd look at it differently.

You'd appropriately sue and you justly win. And your grandchildren's grandchildren would never have to work.
 
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zydane47 said:
Is that so? And who would he sue? The rock is literally available to anyone with a can of paint. TN? How would he prove that anyone from the university had anything to do with it? Wouldn't that be "hearsay"?

Just as you say he has not case against McQuery, he has no case here either.

hard to sue anyone when you can't prove who did it.
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UT is responsible for the rock and its message. Doesn't matter who wrote it at all. It's not hearsay. It is in very clear black and white and is forever memorialized on the World Wide Web.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Is there any possibility at all that the national media has a valid point? Is there any possibility that the assistant who told the assistant he saw something is not accurate especially considering that no charges were brought after such a high profile case was investigated both legally and in the public, and considering that he has held 3 very publicly vetted positions since?

I don't know the answer but for a bunch of people who have no access to information to have such a negative impact on a career and a university and a football team and to continue to pile on relentlessly says a lot for about why we haven't had a valid program in 10 years and won't for the foreseeable future.

This herd-think is counter productive and dangerous.
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As stated in a previous thread, say the GS hire proceeded as planned and then comes the introductory presser. One reporter asks a question in reference to the Sandusky scandal during GS's time there. Then the media begins to dig and offer no facts, continuing speculation of how can UT hire someone related to the Sandusky era at PSU.

Tennessee should not even remotely consider anyone associated with Penn State during that time. It's the media and public perception that will crucify you these days.
 
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ruger1234 said:
All those talking f__k sticks that are trashing our fan base would throw out the Sandusky connection at the first opportunity. Negative recruiting would be to the point that he would have to be fired in year 2 with a nice juicy buyout.
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This.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
UT is responsible for the rock and its message. Doesn't matter who wrote it at all. It's not hearsay. It is in very clear black and white and is forever memorialized on the World Wide Web.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, and no one else has thought of this idea after all the other crap messages on the rock?

This would never happen, UT woould write it off to vandalism to school property. Same thing could've been put on any building around the campus.

So if this was spray painted on the side of the Thompson Bowling then UT would still be in trouble? Any good lawyer would play it off as vandalism and be done with it.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
We do have say. Since we are responsible for what we say, it should be honest and not infringe on a person's right to make a living.
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And how are we stopping him from making a living? Did OSU fire him?

No?

Well then he's still making a living then isn't he?
 
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This thread topic and some of the responses are just another glaring example of a dumbed down America.

Some idiot even claimed he is thankful for social media. So much for real journalism, right? Shock and awe
 
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zydane47 said:
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, and no one else has thought of this idea after all the other crap messages on the rock?

This would never happen, UT woould write it off to vandalism to school property. Same thing could've been put on any building around the campus.

So if this was spray painted on the side of the Thompson Bowling then UT would still be in trouble? Any good lawyer would play it off as vandalism and be done with it.
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The message on the rock is not the problem. It is just the easiest avenue for the attorney to take to make their point. It's true that other crap has been written. If the other crap named names and could not prove the message and it cost someone millions, then yes they'd have a case too.

Example:

UT lawyer: 'but, but, but, it was vandalism'

Schiano lawyer: 'Your honor, the University made no efforts to protect his integrity despite having a full police force, security cameras, employees, and local sheriff and police force. No efforts were made to disperse the vandals nor to clean the message before it was distributed on the internet for all to see.' The University is therefore culpable.'
 
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zydane47 said:
And how are we stopping him from making a living? Did OSU fire him?

No?

Well then he's still making a living then isn't he?
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Civil lawyers call it "lost wages". You can make a living at McDonalds, but if you were slandered to the point you can't work at something more lucrative, you can sue for lost wages.
 
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Needless to say, but the university could have avoided all of this fallout by not even considering GS in the first place. Whether he had any knowledge or not of the Sandusky events, UTAD should have steered clear of anyone that was part of the PSU staff during that era.
 
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I'm curious to when they began courting Schiano. If it began immediately after or before jones was fired, then my guess is that Currie had very few candidates to interview. ..or anyone else for that matter.
 
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ETV said:
I'm curious to when they began courting Schiano. If it began immediately after or before jones was fired, then my guess is that Currie had very few candidates to interview. ..or anyone else for that matter.
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That’s the rumor right now. That Sexton was pushing Mullen and Schiano. Letting Mullen pick where he wanted to go, and then push Schiano on the next customer.
 
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