The Walking Dead

#252
#252
It leads to this debate:

Would you rather spend some ammo on training people to properly shoot a gun and aiming or just train them enough to shoot at something wildly?


Would you spend 95 rounds shooting at cans so you can take down 5 walkers with 5 shots?

or

Do you spend 5 rounds learning to shoot and it takes you 95 shots to take down 5 walkers?


Ammo and food is the most precious resource left. But i don't think they have reached the point where they are dangerously low.
 
#253
#253
King Webbsticles said:
It leads to this debate:

Would you rather spend some ammo on training people to properly shoot a gun and aiming or just train them enough to shoot at something wildly?


Would you spend 95 rounds shooting at cans so you can take down 5 walkers with 5 shots?

or

Do you spend 5 rounds learning to shoot and it takes you 95 shots to take down 5 walkers?


Ammo and food is the most precious resource left. But i don't think they have reached the point where they are dangerously low.
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Too much assumption here IMO.

Actually, if you knew how much ammo weighed there sure as hell wasn't that much in that bag Rick left the station with. Did I miss there being a great big cache of ammo elswhere or them managing to pick up a bunch along the way?

95 rounds fired at cans is 95 rounds that will never be used for anything else. This is going on with, as far as I can tell, no idea as to when/to what extent/if at all those rounds can be replaced. As stated in my earlier post there should be at least 50 dry-fires for every live round.

Your importance list left out water, which trumps at least food, in the short term anyway. In a hostile situation you've only got evasion (staying hidden), fortification (somewhere you can't be reached) and defense (ability to fight back). Ideally you can keep the first or at least fall back to the second. If faced with the third and relying mostly on guns every last round could mean living or dying. A shooting line with people blasting away runs rather counter to that harsh reality. Maybe the writers aren't really wanting us to sweat the ammo situation at this point and can obviously write in any feast or famine scenario with ammunition at their whim but I just have a hard time watching all those rounds going off and not thinking "That seems pretty damn free-wheeling with such a valuable and (presumably) finite resource.".
 
#254
#254
Yeah.. I'm pretty sure that target practice is a terrible idea when you have a very finite supply of ammo. Teach people the mechanics of firing a weapon, but as HD was saying, there's no reason to waste live ammo.
 
#255
#255
hndog609 said:
Too much assumption here IMO.

Actually, if you knew how much ammo weighed there sure as hell wasn't that much in that bag Rick left the station with. Did I miss there being a great big cache of ammo elswhere or them managing to pick up a bunch along the way?

95 rounds fired at cans is 95 rounds that will never be used for anything else. This is going on with, as far as I can tell, no idea as to when/to what extent/if at all those rounds can be replaced. As stated in my earlier post there should be at least 50 dry-fires for every live round.

Your importance list left out water, which trumps at least food, in the short term anyway. In a hostile situation you've only got evasion (staying hidden), fortification (somewhere you can't be reached) and defense (ability to fight back). Ideally you can keep the first or at least fall back to the second. If faced with the third and relying mostly on guns every last round could mean living or dying. A shooting line with people blasting away runs rather counter to that harsh reality. Maybe the writers aren't really wanting us to sweat the ammo situation at this point and can obviously write in any feast or famine scenario with ammunition at their whim but I just have a hard time watching all those rounds going off and not thinking "That seems pretty damn free-wheeling with such a valuable and (presumably) finite resource.".
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Yes. The CDC.
 
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#256
King Webbsticles said:
Yes. The CDC.
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Do we know this or is it an assumption? By this I mean I can't recall anything specific relating to that being the case but I could just be whiffing on my memory. (One might assume those that left would have taken at least most of that with them)

Even if they did score a nice batch of ammo (it's at least reasonable to imagine they managed to procure some ammo in/around the CDC) I still maintain that, even with a decent supply of ammo available, the manner in which it was shown being expended looked horribly inefficient.
 
#257
#257
I seem to recall the doctor saying something about having an abundance of ammo that wasn't being used. I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered something about it.

Even if that isn't the case, you can assume that they had to have gained some, especially with the military base established around it.
 
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#258
King Webbsticles said:
I seem to recall the doctor saying something about having an abundance of ammo that wasn't being used. I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered something about it.

Even if that isn't the case, you can assume that they had to have gained some, especially with the military base established around it.
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Your second point brings up another thing that's bugging me...the almost total dearth of military weapons. I think I've seen what appears to be a 9mm Beretta 92 but overall the group leans almost entirely on "civilian" weapons.

To be fair I'm not sure how gun savvy the writers are anyway. In the first episode Rick admonishes a deputy to take the safety off his pistol. The deputy then proceeds to thumb the slide stop as the Glock he was holding doesn't have an external safety.
 
#259
#259
I don't think they got their ammo from the CDC. They barely escaped before it blew up and they never left the building while they were sheltered there.
 
#260
#260
dreVol said:
I don't think they got their ammo from the CDC. They barely escaped before it blew up and they never left the building while they were sheltered there.
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It was inside. Unless Jenner just pulled this gun from his ass...

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#261
#261
I don't get the baby debate. Obviously it isn't ideal, but she wouldn't be the first woman in history to have a baby when the future looked uncertain.
 
#262
#262
vollygirl said:
I don't get the baby debate. Obviously it isn't ideal, but she wouldn't be the first woman in history to have a baby when the future looked uncertain.
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I think the debate is weighted in the comparison of "uncertain future" and "zombie apocalypse".
 
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#264
vollygirl said:
I don't get the baby debate. Obviously it isn't ideal, but she wouldn't be the first woman in history to have a baby when the future looked uncertain.
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I'd have more sympathy if her character didn't suck so bad and she wasn't getting railed by Shane so quickly after "she thought Rick was dead." Seriously, how long could he have been gone for? Not that long or his ass would have died of dehydration in the hospital.
 
#265
#265
hndog609 said:
I think the debate is weighted in the comparison of "uncertain future" and "zombie apocalypse".
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Pioneers settled the west having no idea how much worse it could get as they went, right?

I should say, I didn't start watching til this season so I don't know how much they are supposed to know about how wide spread this is.
 
#269
#269
vollygirl said:
Pioneers settled the west having no idea how much worse it could get as they went, right?

I should say, I didn't start watching til this season so I don't know how much they are supposed to know about how wide spread this is.
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Again, the "uncertain future" point was conceded from the outset. Hell, how many examples of that are going on in real life in some third world craphole right now? The "debate" point is that we aren't dealing with any unknown future...we're dealing with what could possibly be the extinction of humanity and, at the very least, is a small group of people who do know, for a fact, that the majority population of humanoids remotely proximate to them consists of flesh-eating undead who wander about with the single purpose of finding and consuming alive whatever they can catch. That's a level of uncertainty that reaches escape velocity and shoots itself into deep space.

Ponder for a moment when everyone was hiding in and under vehicles from the hoard of Walkers in this season's first episode, What Lies Ahead. Now imagine a newborn that didn't want to stay quiet in that scenario. As it was it's where they lost Sophia who at least had the ability to run. Imagine any number of scenarios where an extremely pregnant mother was having to evade a group of Walkers. These are very real questions.

The real debate is in the "choice". Do you take on the liabilities as a mother (not only to yourself and the child but any risks that might fall on others as a result of your choice) or make survival in the here and now the priority with what is already an off-the-charts fight for life?
 
#270
#270
vollygirl said:
Pioneers settled the west having no idea how much worse it could get as they went, right?

I should say, I didn't start watching til this season so I don't know how much they are supposed to know about how wide spread this is.
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#275
#275
Just got a spam mail that my payment for property taxes in King County had been received. haha
 
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