The Walking Dead

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the more I read I think the leaked audio is actually the end of the show and it is confirmed its first person. So we won't know who is killed until the fall
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I agree on killing Glenn at this point. Without the dumpster fakeout, I'd really have no problem with following the comic storyline with him. But with it, it makes the fakeout even dumber than it already was.
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If I'm being honest though they've gotten to where there are just so many characters and they only feature so few each week that over time I've just become disconnected with a lot of them. Like what the hell has Glenn really done in the last year other than serve as Enid's moral compass and stab some helpless dudes in the head while they were sleeping?

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the more I read I think the leaked audio is actually the end of the show and it is confirmed its first person. So we won't know who is killed until the fall
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I'm not clicking on any spoilers. I learned my lesson going to Spoiling Dead website and having the last two episodes ruined by "snooping" around. I'd rather watch it and find out when it airs.
 
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chavisut said:
You mean there hasn't been hype about the finale from some of the actors and others?

It might not be the network, but I wouldn't call it all fan hype.
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I've only heard about Lincoln's comments from a couple months ago. But I don't watch Talking Dead or follow any of the cast on Twatter or anything.

Mostly I've just seen comic readers spoiling what could happen in the show.
 
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chavisut said:
You mean there hasn't been hype about the finale from some of the actors and others?

It might not be the network, but I wouldn't call it all fan hype.
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Pretty much every character has been interviewed and all have hyped this as the best episode ever. Even Nicotero said that. So I agree, lots of hype.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
The hype is all on the fans though. I haven't seen any extra promotion by the network other than it is a season finale.
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Do what? They've hyped all season Negan is making an appearance, and most of the fanbase of the show knows who Negan is. They haven't had to make any "extra' promotion.

Not to mention it ending in a cliffhanger has nothing to do with the "hype", it has to do with it being lazy writing and relying on the same trick 3 times this season IF it is in fact a cliffhanger.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I've only heard about Lincoln's comments from a couple months ago. But I don't watch Talking Dead or follow any of the cast on Twatter or anything.

Mostly I've just seen comic readers spoiling what could happen in the show.
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Well then that's on you, because you can't lay the blame of the hype on fans but then admit you don't watch or read any of the avenues where the show most certainly hypes itself and the majority of the fanbase does; and you can't say you haven't seen any "extra promotion" when again, you don't watch or read things where said "extra promotion" would happen.

Of course you haven't seen it if you don't watch where it would happen.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Well then that's on you, because you can't lay the blame of the hype on fans but then admit you don't watch or read any of the avenues where the show most certainly hypes itself and the majority of the fanbase does; and you can't say you haven't seen any "extra promotion" when again, you don't watch or read things where said "extra promotion" would happen.

Of course you haven't seen it if you don't watch where it would happen.
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I go to comic news sites that cover TWD and I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary. Not to mention this thread were most things would trickle to. In here I've mostly just seen comic reader anticipation for Negan and quote from Lincoln about being sick from the script.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
I go to comic news sites that cover TWD and I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary. Not to mention this thread were most things would trickle to. In here I've mostly just seen comic reader anticipation for Negan and quote from Lincoln about being sick from the script.
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Ok.....still doesn't change anything I just said.
 
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don't really care where or from whom the hype comes from (though hint hint, it's everyone, and for good reason), but anybody saying/implying that the fans are completely at fault for their own disappointment, should tonight's episode conclude in the manner that we saw from that rumor a week or two ago, is 100% wrong.
 
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WarDamnVols said:
don't really care where or from whom the hype comes from (though hint hint, it's everyone, and for good reason), but anybody saying/implying that the fans are completely at fault for their own disappointment, should tonight's episode conclude in the manner that we saw from that rumor a week or two ago, is 100% wrong.
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And everyone will still tune in come October to see how the potential cliffhanger is resolved. So the writers win. At this point I'm actually looking forward to the Internet meltdown more than the show.

I've said all along I didn't care who is killed. The show isn't about killing off major cast members for me. It's the journey, not the result that should matter.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
And everyone will still tune in come October to see how the potential cliffhanger is resolved. So the writers win. At this point I'm actually looking forward to the Internet meltdown more than the show.

I've said all along I didn't care who is killed. The show isn't about killing off major cast members for me. It's the journey, not the result that should matter.
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We'll know well before October who died because of leaks. No way they are able to keep that secret for 7 months.

As far as "everyone will still tune in", who cares if "the writers win"? Is it now just about "winning", or is it about it actually being good. You seem to be jumping around here between it's popular and it's good.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
And everyone will still tune in come October to see how the potential cliffhanger is resolved. So the writers win. At this point I'm actually looking forward to the Internet meltdown more than the show.

I've said all along I didn't care who is killed. The show isn't about killing off major cast members for me. It's the journey, not the result that should matter.
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When you don't kill off characters and the cast gets too big, how could you have a story when everyone is still alive every single episode? It's a show about an zombie apocalypse, not a damn children's story. If no characters died during the show, it would be boring and we wouldn't have a "journey".
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
We'll know well before October who died because of leaks. No way they are able to keep that secret for 7 months.

As far as "everyone will still tune in", who cares if "the writers win"? Is it now just about "winning", or is it about it actually being good. You seem to be jumping around here between it's popular and it's good.
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Why is ending in a cliffhanger inherently "bad"? It's a common tool on pretty much every serialized drama in any medium from comics to radio to TV to movies. If done right I don't have a problem with it.
 
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Um, part of the journey is people getting killed in an apocalypse. That's actually the core of these types of stories, who survives
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why is ending in a cliffhanger inherently "bad"? It's a common tool on pretty much every serialized drama in any medium from comics to radio to TV to movies. If done right I don't have a problem with it.
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I've already pointed this out, this would be the 3rd time they've used a cliffhanger this season alone. If you don't find that lazy and overused, then that's you.

Secondly, I've also pointed out, making it a cliffhanger pretty much craps on THE iconic moment from the comic.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Um, part of the journey is people getting killed in an apocalypse. That's actually the core of these types of stories, who survives
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Who? Or how?

And by how I don't just mean the physical conflict. I mean how do the characters grow and change as the stories progresses. Or course some characters need to die given the context but I don't think it's the linchpin of the story.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
When you don't kill off characters and the cast gets too big, how could you have a story when everyone is still alive every single episode? It's a show about an zombie apocalypse, not a damn children's story. If no characters died during the show, it would be boring and we wouldn't have a "journey".
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Also you can't have the showrunner and actors constantly saying "No one is safe, anyone can die" and then never kill the main characters.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I've already pointed this out, this would be the 3rd time they've used a cliffhanger this season alone. If you don't find that lazy and overused, then that's you.

Secondly, I've also pointed out, making it a cliffhanger pretty much craps on THE iconic moment from the comic.
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The only major cliffhanger would have been the Glenn fake out (and that wasn't Even how the ended as as I recall). I do agree that it drug on for about two episodes too long. All the others, mid season, tower falling, Daryl getting shot, were par for the course on this and so many other shows.

As for the moment from the comics, it could be argued they are trying to give it more respect by dragging it out. It's pretty well known who dies in the comics at this point. My guess is the number of viewers that haven't had that spoiled by now is very small. Doing this way continues the intrigue of the moment into the following season.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
And everyone will still tune in come October to see how the potential cliffhanger is resolved. So the writers win. At this point I'm actually looking forward to the Internet meltdown more than the show.

I've said all along I didn't care who is killed. The show isn't about killing off major cast members for me. It's the journey, not the result that should matter.
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1. I guarantee you some viewers will not tune in next season, should tonight end badly (as in, that certain rumor). tonight could be what pushes some over the edge for good.

2. The writers win? sure they'll get plenty of attention (mainly negative), but popularity and "hits" doesn't equate good.

3. Sadly, for some people, what character dies is pretty much the only reason they watch this show anymore. definitely become a main reason for me as well. but, that's because (a) the "journey" isn't quite as interesting as it used to be, and (b) I love the concept that nobody is safe, so it's always refreshing to be on the edge of my seat hoping a character lives for another episode or being shocked and heartbroken when that character bites it. and sadly, that's another thing this show has kind of struggled with lately.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
Why is ending in a cliffhanger inherently "bad"? It's a common tool on pretty much every serialized drama in any medium from comics to radio to TV to movies. If done right I don't have a problem with it.
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see the bold. that's the main thing. the way this certain cliffhanger would go, it would not be done right whatsoever.

burntorangeVOLffle said:
The only major cliffhanger would have been the Glenn fake out (and that wasn't Even how the ended as as I recall). I do agree that it drug on for about two episodes too long. All the others, mid season, tower falling, Daryl getting shot, were par for the course on this and so many other shows.

As for the moment from the comics, it could be argued they are trying to give it more respect by dragging it out. It's pretty well known who dies in the comics at this point. My guess is the number of viewers that haven't had that spoiled by now is very small. Doing this way continues the intrigue of the moment into the following season.
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the ending of the mid season finale was definitely intended as a legit "cliffhanger," and a very cheap, BS one at that.

and dragging out that "moment" over the coarse of 6 months would certainly not be respecting the source material lol
 
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