The "up and comers" main strike....

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GAVol said:
Can anyone name a "big splash" hire in the SEC in the past 20 years other than Pitino and Calipari? Just about everyone goes the "up and comer" route.
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A lot of schools simply won't spend big money to get an established coach (assuming they could)--and IMO this applies to Hart and UT, too, to a certain extent. I mean, if Smart or Marshall made it known that he really wanted the UT job, then Hart would probably try to put together a strong financial package (and if not he should get sacked). Otherwise, I think there is a tendency to save money, especially when you consider that a lot of schools have no basketball tradition. Auburn got Pearl because he's damaged goods now and hence won't cost them as much. They would never have gotten a guy with his success record otherwise.

It is EASY to hire a youngish guy who you deem (self-servingly) a comer: The whole process is easier, the contract is cheaper--and Hart knows that even if the guy is no good he'll be here four years, and what's the worst-case scenario: you do it again in four/five years. There is a lot of age discrimination in America when it comes to older workers--the cheap money is always an attraction, and there is a false perception that youthfulness is a plus, when in fact it means little. Look at Steve Fisher at San Diego State: He's 69 and done great things for that program--they were GOOD last year. He is an outstanding coach, no matter his age.
 
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Stoked4Zo said:
What sucks about the posibilty of us hiring White, is that our fans are idiots and won't get behind him.
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The why the hell hire him? Spend the money and get Marshall. It's been posted in multiple places that he will come for $3 million. Just make the offer. If he says no, hire Howland. Hiring White or some other unknown quantity you're starting out behind the 8-ball and even if he does manage to bring in some guys and rebuild things we will be right back where we are now in 3 years with half or more of the fanbase having already moved on after 2/2.5 bad-mediocre seasons. Do you want them to hire someone that all of us will be excited about from day 1 or do you want some obscure person that nobody outside of the basketball insiders will be willing to get invested in without some instant success?
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Why in the world is this guy ignored?????
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - - For the third time in the last four years, Belmont University men's basketball head coach Rick Byrd has been named finalist for the Hugh Durham National Coach of the Year Award, CollegeInsider.com announced this week. Byrd, who ranks eighth among all NCAA Division I head coaches in career wins with 689, led the Bruins to a fifth consecutive conference regular season championship and a ninth postseason appearance in the last 11 years. The Bruins earned two victories in the Postseason NIT to reach the quarterfinal round.
Belmont also notched victories over North Carolina, Indiana State, Middle Tennessee and Green Bay, among others, en route to a 26-10 record - the program's fourth consecutive season of 26-plus victories. Tell me why a Knoxville hometowner and UT grad is not at the top of the list! You'd think he was a convicted felon or something! Instead he is one of the most prestigious college coaches in the country!
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Are you his kid or something?....Seriously...If he were that hot an item some other school would've come calling already...He is where he belongs.
 
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Rudy123 said:
(1) His age! (2) He is not exciting and won't bring energy to the program.


He is the safest bet though. He would win on Rocky Top!!! No doudt!!!!
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The Belmont coach would be good. Steve Fisher is 69 and twice the coach of guys half his age. He's put SDS on the basketball map.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Since his dad is the athletic director at Duke, would you not think his recruiting prowess is due to Duke rejects? Not to mention the fact that he is probably in training for Krzyzewski's job in a few years when he retires. Translation - bigger risk than Cuonzo Martin was.
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Bigger risk than Cuonzo yes but not because of the Duke job which he would have not much chance of landing...They pay coach K almost 10 mill a year...They are the big time...Our biggest risk with White is Ole Miss calling who he played for and coached as an assistant for 7 years.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Since his dad is the athletic director at Duke, would you not think his recruiting prowess is due to Duke rejects? Not to mention the fact that he is probably in training for Krzyzewski's job in a few years when he retires. Translation - bigger risk than Cuonzo Martin was.
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Coach K 's replacement will be one if his assistants not the AD son. This is common knowledge.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Why in the world is this guy ignored?????
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - - For the third time in the last four years, Belmont University men's basketball head coach Rick Byrd has been named finalist for the Hugh Durham National Coach of the Year Award, CollegeInsider.com announced this week. Byrd, who ranks eighth among all NCAA Division I head coaches in career wins with 689, led the Bruins to a fifth consecutive conference regular season championship and a ninth postseason appearance in the last 11 years. The Bruins earned two victories in the Postseason NIT to reach the quarterfinal round.
Belmont also notched victories over North Carolina, Indiana State, Middle Tennessee and Green Bay, among others, en route to a 26-10 record - the program's fourth consecutive season of 26-plus victories. Tell me why a Knoxville hometowner and UT grad is not at the top of the list! You'd think he was a convicted felon or something! Instead he is one of the most prestigious college coaches in the country!
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First - let me say he is a great coach - probably as good or better than anyone else in the conversation. I was extremely impressed the few times that I have seen his teams play. His age is the negative with Rick Byrd - and by definition someone in his 60's is not considered an "up and comer". He just has never been at the right place at the right time I guess - I think he can coach circles around most of the coaches at the bigger schools and if this were 10 years ago - I think he would be a viable candidate-jmo- it really is amazing what he has done at Belmont.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Dave Hart quotes
" I am looking for somebody who is a winner. Somebody who has won where they have been. You just don't know until you conclude the process what you are going to be looking at in terms of your priorities and who rose up. You know, you could be sitting in front of somebody that maybe is not the number one target but they come across as so impressive that you just know, that this is the person. You have heard me talk about it. I think fit is important, I have always felt that in my entire career. I think fit is critically important and we will look for someone who we deem to be very good fit."
"I don't know that in terms of the geography would be critically important. I think anytime you're in the search process, knowledge of not only the game you're coaching, the knowledge of the environment, the conference, what's going on nationally is always important."
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AD speak, you should know better
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The why the hell hire him? Spend the money and get Marshall. It's been posted in multiple places that he will come for $3 million. Just make the offer. If he says no, hire Howland. Hiring White or some other unknown quantity you're starting out behind the 8-ball and even if he does manage to bring in some guys and rebuild things we will be right back where we are now in 3 years with half or more of the fanbase having already moved on after 2/2.5 bad-mediocre seasons. Do you want them to hire someone that all of us will be excited about from day 1 or do you want some obscure person that nobody outside of the basketball insiders will be willing to get invested in without some instant success?
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The reason I think we will hire White is because Tennessee is not going to pay the big bucks for a big time name coach like a Gregg Marshall. Not going to happen. You will see.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Since his dad is the athletic director at Duke, would you not think his recruiting prowess is due to Duke rejects? Not to mention the fact that he is probably in training for Krzyzewski's job in a few years when he retires. Translation - bigger risk than Cuonzo Martin was.
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Thought Wojo was the coach in waiting?
 
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rickyyrs said:
The reason I think we will hire White is because Tennessee is not going to pay the big bucks for a big time name coach like a Gregg Marshall. Not going to happen. You will see.
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I agree that is how people will feel about White. People will look at what AU did and wonder why they should give a darn about Vol basketball if the UTAD isn't going to make the same kind of investment and effort as basketball powerhouse Auburn. I know that all the insiders pine for some relatively obscure guy that only they know about who will come in here and make a miracle happen but most of us are going to need to see someone who is a proven winner at the NCAA tournament level or we're going to assume that we got shafted by a cheapskate administration.
 
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I never once in my life thought that La. Tech would be a feeder school to my beloved UT for any type of Head Coaching job. Now I consider myself a young middle aged man but maybe I better check the mirror this morning because La. Tech is the only place we can afford to land. Damn how time changes everything.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I never once in my life thought that La. Tech would be a feeder school to my beloved UT for any type of Head Coaching job. Now I consider myself a young middle aged man but maybe I better check the mirror this morning because La. Tech is the only place we can afford to land. Damn how time changes everything.
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We did just get a football coach from Cincy. He did not coach at LaTech. :)
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I agree that is how people will feel about White. People will look at what AU did and wonder why they should give a darn about Vol basketball if the UTAD isn't going to make the same kind of investment and effort as basketball powerhouse Auburn. I know that all the insiders pine for some relatively obscure guy that only they know about who will come in here and make a miracle happen but most of us are going to need to see someone who is a proven winner at the NCAA tournament level or we're going to assume that we got shafted by a cheapskate administration.
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White makes $600,000 where he is at now. Double his salary and Tennessee will be paying 1.2 mil.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I agree that is how people will feel about White. People will look at what AU did and wonder why they should give a darn about Vol basketball if the UTAD isn't going to make the same kind of investment and effort as basketball powerhouse Auburn. I know that all the insiders pine for some relatively obscure guy that only they know about who will come in here and make a miracle happen but most of us are going to need to see someone who is a proven winner at the NCAA tournament level or we're going to assume that we got shafted by a cheapskate administration.
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I believe Pearls deal at au was around 2 million a year right? The issue I see looking at it compared to Pearl is I don't see many candidates that would be in that 2 million ballpark. Marshall and Smart are much closer to 3 million each and that is IF they decide to consider it at all. Cronin and maybe Howland I guess would be around 2 million a year coaches. I fully understand why Hart would avoid Howland. When I look at the board most media was talking about, it looked like either crazy money and likely over paying at 3 mil a year or looking at the "cheaper" 1 mil-1.5 mil options.

Would I rather Hart hired Pearl at 1.8 a year? I would. (Yes, I think he would have taken less to come back to UT vs going to au). Just did not work out that way. Hart was not going to do it. IMO $$ had nothing to do with it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I believe Pearls deal at au was around 2 million a year right? The issue I see looking at it compared to Pearl is I don't see many candidates that would be in that 2 million ballpark. Marshall and Smart are much closer to 3 million each and that is IF they decide to consider it at all. Cronin and maybe Howland I guess would be around 2 million a year coaches. I fully understand why Hart would avoid Howland. When I look at the board most media was talking about, it looked like either crazy money and likely over paying at 3 mil a year or looking at the "cheaper" 1 mil-1.5 mil options.

Would I rather Hart hired Pearl at 1.8 a year? I would. (Yes, I think he would have taken less to come back to UT vs going to au). Just did not work out that way. Hart was not going to do it. IMO $$ had nothing to do with it.
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Is this the same Pearl that put out the Memphis ploy to get more money while he was here?He wasn't going to come for less money imo
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I believe Pearls deal at au was around 2 million a year right? The issue I see looking at it compared to Pearl is I don't see many candidates that would be in that 2 million ballpark. Marshall and Smart are much closer to 3 million each and that is IF they decide to consider it at all. Cronin and maybe Howland I guess would be around 2 million a year coaches. I fully understand why Hart would avoid Howland. When I look at the board most media was talking about, it looked like either crazy money and likely over paying at 3 mil a year or looking at the "cheaper" 1 mil-1.5 mil options.

Would I rather Hart hired Pearl at 1.8 a year? I would. (Yes, I think he would have taken less to come back to UT vs going to au). Just did not work out that way. Hart was not going to do it. IMO $$ had nothing to do with it.
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It was $2.2 first year with automatic $100,000 per year raise. 6 year deal. If he stays the whole stint without a raise I guess it's $2.5 million a year on average.
 
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Volman1970 said:
Is this the same Pearl that put out the Memphis ploy to get more money while he was here?He wasn't going to come for less money imo
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I can't say for sure of course if he would have or not. Still today I feel that Bruce would love to be back home in Knoxville coaching. If UT had offered him 1.8 mil and year and au was offering 2 mil, does he move for 200 grand? I doubt it. Had Hart wanted Pearl back coaching at Tennessee, IMO it would have happened. Even if it cost a little more. Guess we will never know for sure.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I can't say for sure of course if he would have or not. Still today I feel that Bruce would love to be back home in Knoxville coaching. If UT had offered him 1.8 mil and year and au was offering 2 mil, does he move for 200 grand? I doubt it. Had Hart wanted Pearl back coaching at Tennessee, IMO it would have happened. Even if it cost a little more. Guess we will never know for sure.
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I am glad he didn't come back because he got us in this mess
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I can't say for sure of course if he would have or not. Still today I feel that Bruce would love to be back home in Knoxville coaching. If UT had offered him 1.8 mil and year and au was offering 2 mil, does he move for 200 grand? I doubt it. Had Hart wanted Pearl back coaching at Tennessee, IMO it would have happened. Even if it cost a little more. Guess we will never know for sure.
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We had to settle for Martin when everyone said no with cloud he left and look how he was treated. Very sad
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Why in the world is this guy ignored?????
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - - For the third time in the last four years, Belmont University men's basketball head coach Rick Byrd has been named finalist for the Hugh Durham National Coach of the Year Award, CollegeInsider.com announced this week. Byrd, who ranks eighth among all NCAA Division I head coaches in career wins with 689, led the Bruins to a fifth consecutive conference regular season championship and a ninth postseason appearance in the last 11 years. The Bruins earned two victories in the Postseason NIT to reach the quarterfinal round.
Belmont also notched victories over North Carolina, Indiana State, Middle Tennessee and Green Bay, among others, en route to a 26-10 record - the program's fourth consecutive season of 26-plus victories. Tell me why a Knoxville hometowner and UT grad is not at the top of the list! You'd think he was a convicted felon or something! Instead he is one of the most prestigious college coaches in the country!
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Because hardly anyone wants him. You're starting to sound like his stalker.
 
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#50
I still scratch my head about why Bruce did what he did, but I love the guy. Now on to other things I am very concerned about Hart's gameplan. He is definitely going low budget and that carries all kind of risks. He absolutely lucked out on Butch but he caught lightning in a bottle, how many times can you do that?
 
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