The Unlucky 13: Top Recruiting Classes That Fizzled

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Ohhh... and, btw, now that I have 100 posts, am I automatically enrolled in the VN jelly of the month club or what?
 
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BIG BOI 23 said:
should of threw our 2010 class on there we lost so many kids after the coaching change

probably close to 10 4 stars but i guess the kids that are contributing kept them off
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honestly this what I am talking about, 2007 and 2009 on the list but 2008 should be on list. Ward kicked off, Bailey gone, Kelly drafted in mlb, hughes failed out, douglas went to jcc i mean lets think about how bad the 2007-2010 is?
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Easier to name-call and use an emoticon than employ logic?

Every word he wrote makes sense in the context of our team regressing between 2010 and 2011 and within the 2011 season itself.
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Im sure the regression has nothing to do with losing our 2 best players on offense and our best player and most experienced player on defense.

That being said, Dooley can be critiqued by some of the choices he has made. One has to wonder if he would make those choices with a completely healthy roster though.
 
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LIvol said:
honestly this what I am talking about, 2007 and 2009 on the list but 2008 should be on list. Ward kicked off, Bailey gone, Kelly drafted in mlb, hughes failed out, douglas went to jcc i mean lets think about how bad the 2007-2010 is?
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The 2008 class was ranked 35th in the country. It wasn't highly touted.
 
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SNAFU said:
Sorry, but that is BS. You can't "coach up" poor talent in the SEC. Dooley inherited a bunch of crap- player talent, attitudes, possibility of major sanctions- that he had to deal with. After the transfers and the process of addition by subtractions, he was left with a team that would have been lucky to finish in the middle of the Big East or ACC. Dooley's clock starts now.
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From the first game you coach, you CAN judged. You CAN be assessed. People can easily see what kind of coach you are by merely observing the game. ---- The part that is BS is that Dooley can make blunder after blunder and be totally
absolved because he had "bad"
players. What is the job of the coach? To coach up his players. Work with what you have. Don't make excuses. I made no reference to firing Dooley or that Dooley has failed. But you most certainly can judge his performance to this point. To say you couldn't is questionable at best. I will stop short of the personal attacks and name calling however. The VN children can handle that part of it. ---- It is funny how people can't accept differing opinions. What is wrong with a little friendly debate? Why is everyone so ****ing uptight????? Jeez!
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volroadwarrior said:
Idiotic. :crazy:
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I am interested in what is idiotic about expecting to see a well prepared team. What is idiotic about expecting to see a team that has scouted its opponent and showed up on gameday with an effective plan to win? Why (or how) should the talent level of a team dictate whether the coach is doing a good job? It would appear that any facet of the coaches performance can be critiqued, could it not? It would have been nice for you to explain your position instead of attempting to insult me. Gotta love VN!
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PimpVol said:
From the first game you coach, you CAN judged. You CAN be assessed. People can easily see what kind of coach you are by merely observing the game. ---- The part that is BS is that Dooley can make blunder after blunder and be totally
absolved because he had "bad"
players. What is the job of the coach? To coach up his players. Work with what you have. Don't make excuses. I made no reference to firing Dooley or that Dooley has failed. But you most certainly can judge his performance to this point. To say you couldn't is questionable at best. I will stop short of the personal attacks and name calling however. The VN children can handle that part of it. ---- It is funny how people can't accept differing opinions. What is wrong with a little friendly debate? Why is everyone so ****ing uptight????? Jeez!
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And you expertise in judging a coaches performance is derived from.....?
 
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Tux said:
And you expertise in judging a coaches performance is derived from.....?
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I did not judge him. I said that he COULD be judged. Enormous difference there. ----- Where does anyone get the "expertise" the use when they 'judge' me? I just state my opinion and brace for the onslaught. But it's no big deal. He without sin cast the first stone.
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Wow, im young and only really started to follow recruiting last year so i had no idea how stacked that 2007 class was supposed to be. Loaded with 5 stars! Just shows u its not all about stars. Gotta have a brain to go with that ability. Hopefully dooleys highly touted guys are a little better in the classroom and behave themselves.
 
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PimpVol said:
From the first game you coach, you CAN judged. You CAN be assessed. People can easily see what kind of coach you are by merely observing the game. ---- The part that is BS is that Dooley can make blunder after blunder and be totally
absolved because he had "bad"
players. What is the job of the coach? To coach up his players. Work with what you have. Don't make excuses. I made no reference to firing Dooley or that Dooley has failed. But you most certainly can judge his performance to this point. To say you couldn't is questionable at best. I will stop short of the personal attacks and name calling however. The VN children can handle that part of it. ---- It is funny how people can't accept differing opinions. What is wrong with a little friendly debate? Why is everyone so ****ing uptight????? Jeez!
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Pimp....you were/are a Fulmer supporter....do you think hand his staff ever "coached up" any players? Player development ws never a strong suit of his or his staffs over the years. It was one of the major criticisms heard repeatedly....there were a number of years his teams underachieved based on the level of talent he had.

Cut Dooley some slack....if he was Chef Tell he wouldn't be able to "cook up" his ingredients if they were dog sheeot.....no matter what....the dish wouldn't be very good. Weak, slow and mediocre football players in the SEC = sheeot.....
 
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vavolunteer said:
Sure don't claim to be "in the know" as much as many here at VN, but I would have thought at least one, possibly more, classes from Texas would have been on this list. For the level of recruits they bring in their performance the past few years has been abismal. :sad:
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*apeptobismal
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Pimp....you were/are a Fulmer supporter....do you think hand his staff ever "coached up" any players? Player development ws never a strong suit of his or his staffs over the years. It was one of the major criticisms heard repeatedly....there were a number of years his teams underachieved based on the level of talent he had.

Cut Dooley some slack....if he was Chef Tell he wouldn't be able to "cook up" his ingredients if they were dog sheeot.....no matter what....the dish wouldn't be very good. Weak, slow and mediocre football players in the SEC = sheeot.....
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I am, and always will be, a VOL supporter. In the course of being a VOL supporter I have been called a Fulmerite (among other things). Some punk has even made ****ed up comments about my late mother. :p . Alas, it remains as hard out here for a pimp as ever I see. --- Do I think Fulmer and staff ever coach up anybody? Sure. He spent 30 years coaching kids up to be football players and young men. No player has came in as a finished product. EVER. No matter how much of a "cant-miss" prospect they were. They needed, and were provided with, good coaching. ---- The same criticisms heard repeatedly normally indicates the same type of "person" saying the same type of dumbass **** over and over again. Usually anyway. After awhile, the criticisms take on a life of their own and start growing legs. How much credence are you willing to lend to that type of ****? --- To say UT under-achieved some years is fair. We certainly had some years we "could" have won the title. --- Why would Dooley need to be cut some slack? Slack is earned in my opinion, not given. 4 losing years out 5 does not earn much slack. 15 winning years out 17 earns more slack. Growing up here, playing here, winning here, coaching here and winning a title coaching here, all = more slack. Hence, more slack is given. Now quick, somebody call me a name. it's getting boring. :whistling:
 
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PimpVol said:
You can grade Dooley on his coaching philosophy, game management, in game adjustments, and disclipline within the program. And recruiting (where
he has done very well). I don't buy into the free pass because we don't have the best players on the field.
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That might work at the highschool level, but not college. You need talent to win.
 
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PimpVol said:
I am, and always will be, a VOL supporter. In the course of being a VOL supporter I have been called a Fulmerite (among other things). Some punk has even made ****ed up comments about my late mother. :p . Alas, it remains as hard out here for a pimp as ever I see. --- Do I think Fulmer and staff ever coach up anybody? Sure. He spent 30 years coaching kids up to be football players and young men. No player has came in as a finished product. EVER. No matter how much of a "cant-miss" prospect they were. They needed, and were provided with, good coaching. ---- The same criticisms heard repeatedly normally indicates the same type of "person" saying the same type of dumbass **** over and over again. Usually anyway. After awhile, the criticisms take on a life of their own and start growing legs. How much credence are you willing to lend to that type of ****? --- To say UT under-achieved some years is fair. We certainly had some years we "could" have won the title. --- Why would Dooley need to be cut some slack? Slack is earned in my opinion, not given. 4 losing years out 5 does not earn much slack. 15 winning years out 17 earns more slack. Growing up here, playing here, winning here, coaching here and winning a title coaching here, all = more slack. Hence, more slack is given. Now quick, somebody call me a name. it's getting boring. :whistling:
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Agree completely.

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If you guys don't think all pro and college football coaches make mistakes during games, you need to watch more football and pay attention to what you are watching.
 
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Bobby720 said:
That might work at the highschool level, but not college. You need talent to win.
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My point with the "coach em up" was not that somehow we should have been able to beat Bama or LSU by out-coaching them. They were clearly better than we were. It seems as if people are responding as if I said that. What I said was that Dooley (or any coach for that matter) can be judged on his performance from day 1. He should not be given some sort of grace period. He is open for the same criticism any coach is open to. Mental mistakes are a coaching problem. The other player just being bigger or stronger is a matter of genetics. Clear and present difference between the two. It is not too much to ask of CDD to trot out a well coached, well disciplined football team, whether he has draft picks all over the field or not. ------- Dooley actually has been cut PLENTY of slack. 2 losing seasons in 17 years got Fulmer fired. Dooley just wrapped up his 2nd losing, in his first 2 years! Apparently, he will get a 3rd mulligan, as we can't judge him this year either. Must be year 2 and 1/2.
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PimpVol said:
What I said was that Dooley (or any coach for that matter) can be judged on his performance from day 1. He should not be given some sort of grace period.
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some dumpster fires take longer to put out than others
 
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I am, and always will be, a VOL supporter. In the course of being a VOL supporter I have been called a Fulmerite (among other things). Some punk has even made ****ed up comments about my late mother. . Alas, it remains as hard out here for a pimp as ever I see. --- Do I think Fulmer and staff ever coach up anybody? Sure. He spent 30 years coaching kids up to be football players and young men. No player has came in as a finished product. EVER. No matter how much of a "cant-miss" prospect they were. They needed, and were provided with, good coaching. ---- The same criticisms heard repeatedly normally indicates the same type of "person" saying the same type of dumbass **** over and over again. Usually anyway. After awhile, the criticisms take on a life of their own and start growing legs. How much credence are you willing to lend to that type of ****? --- To say UT under-achieved some years is fair. We certainly had some years we "could" have won the title. --- Why would Dooley need to be cut some slack? Slack is earned in my opinion, not given. 4 losing years out 5 does not earn much slack. 15 winning years out 17 earns more slack. Growing up here, playing here, winning here, coaching here and winning a title coaching here, all = more slack. Hence, more slack is given. Now quick, somebody call me a name. it's getting boring.
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I couldn't agree more with the slack part of your argument. Phil to me deserved to me at least one more year, although he commited some very bad errors, for instances bringing Randy Sanders as an OC after Cut left, getting to relaxed on the job on recruiting when the lanscape changed (Meyer,Saban,and Richit),bringing in Clawfence,after Cut left again, (Hamilton worst mistake is letting Cut Leave Hell if anyone deserve 2 million on the staff in UT and assist Head Coach title and Coach in waiting Cut was the one), but one more year I would have given Phil he earned it and Dooley has earned nothing,but a kick in arse for losing to UK PUSSIES
 
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Vol Catdaddy said:
I couldn't agree more with the slack part of your argument. Phil to me deserved to me at least one more year, although he commited some very bad errors, for instances bringing Randy Sanders as an OC after Cut left, getting to relaxed on the job on recruiting when the lanscape changed (Meyer,Saban,and Richit),bringing in Clawfence,after Cut left again, (Hamilton worst mistake is letting Cut Leave Hell if anyone deserve 2 million on the staff in UT and assist Head Coach title and Coach in waiting Cut was the one), but one more year I would have given Phil he earned it and Dooley has earned nothing,but a kick in arse for losing to UK PUSSIES
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What we have here, is a Book of world records finalist for longest sentence. Wrong or not, you should proud.
 
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What we have here, is a Book of world records finalist for longest sentence. Wrong or not, you should proud.
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Sometimes, when you are writing about something that is passionate to you,or not being graded by a professor. You tend to write more relaxed.
P.S. I hope you get the VolNation English Teacher Job good luck.:salute:
 
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I think a great comparison of CDD will be to that of Mike Shula at Alabama.
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