The unfortunate truth about Alabama

#28
#28
Remy said:
It's a rare day you will find Bama beat themselves, it's a hall mark of their program and it superseded Saban's arrival. You will not find Bama leading the league in penalties or penalty yards very often. Nor turnovers, INTs, blocked punts, all the sorts of things good football teams avoid tobecome good and elite. In the SEC when you beat Bama you have to really beat them as there is and always will be a thumb on the scale as long as the SEC home office is where it is at rent free. Granted Saban is one of the best coaches in the business, he does bring in talent on the regular. Again, no one that puts on a Bama uniform has more arms, legs, or heads than those on the opposing teams have. The first thing we or anyone else has to do is play solid fundamental mistake free football against a Saban coached team. We nor anyone else who has been on the field against them this year has done that. Next everyone needs to account for the speed of Hurts, we had defenders all day in just about the right places but always one or two steps behind where Hurts was. Last we have to be physical on the OL with them, yesterday, no matter who was wearing orange got physically whooped. Bama is not unbeatable nor is Saban, but they won't beat themselves either and you have to account for that if you want to win.
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ScornedPapaVol said:
Saban is unmatched as a college coach. Urban Meyer is a close second. Then there is everyone else. Those two teams are physically superior to everyone else. It's clear what type of team we need to beat them. Nothing short of matching up to their size & strength will beat them. No scheme, no tricks. Just big-boy football.
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Saban is best recruiter and good as CEO. He is above average as a coach. He is playing with a more talented team 99% of the time.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Eventually someone will throw up a roadblock or two on some of his pipelines and the slide will begin. Maybe he bolts before it craters. Or maybe, like Fulmer, he clings on thinking he can turn it around. Right now, I think the best thing we can hope for is that LSU makes a VERY strong hire.
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LSU has the oil money to do it. I hope they don't make a mistake and hire Coach Yaw Yaw, who is nothing but a Cajun Less Miles.

I hope they get Saban back. That would be classic.
 
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ScornedPapaVol said:
Saban is unmatched as a college coach. Urban Meyer is a close second. Then there is everyone else. Those two teams are physically superior to everyone else. It's clear what type of team we need to beat them. Nothing short of matching up to their size & strength will beat them. No scheme, no tricks. Just big-boy football.
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Harbaugh is in that league. Look at Michigan lately. Look what he did with the Niners and Stanford.
 
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Saban is likely to slip up here and there but the odds of it happening against us or Auburn is very slim considering these are the games the boosters are the most concerned with.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
Harbaugh is in that league. Look at Michigan lately. Look what he did with the Niners and Stanford.
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As a 49er fan, I'm well aware of Khaki man. But he ain't there yet at UM. Alabama made Kentucky look like a high school team size-wise when they played. They made us look quite insignificant physically on Saturday. The Buckeyes would do the nearly the same. We just don't stack up on both lines of scrimmage, or at lb. Our wideouts got mauled when they tried to block Alabama's secondary, yet they blocked our secondary easily. They must be the most physically imposing team in college history. Hurts was as big as our biggest linebacker, and he was as fast as anyone in our secondary. The ONLY reason Freeze beat them twice is because he actually has SEC/NFL linemen on both sides of the ball. Not to mention several legit wide receivers that take the ball out of the air like they actually mean it.

The formula for us is simple. We have to be the NUMBER ONE team in the NATION to win the SEC. Period. Or hope Saban retires. We ain't about to beat Florida, Georgia & Bama all in the same season plus a top notch crossover West opponent without being a physically dominant team WITH a top level quarterback. Then we'd have to beat a highly ranked Alabama again in Atlanta (or a West team good enough to keep Alabama out of the title game). We're going to need to finish in the top 5 in recruiting at least once every three years and NEVER finish OUT OF the top 10 in any season. Our schedule doesn't allow for subpar recruiting.
 
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#39
I think the SEC schedules should be adjusted. I am in favor of doing away with permanent West/ East alignments. No one else in the East has a stronger West opponent than we do year in year out. We should have to play all the East teams and then 2 of the west ones on a rotating basis.

If this doesn't fly then the only games considered for crowing East/ West champs should be divisional games so that who you play in the west doesn't matter for who gets to Atlanta.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Eventually someone will throw up a roadblock or two on some of his pipelines and the slide will begin. Maybe he bolts before it craters. Or maybe, like Fulmer, he clings on thinking he can turn it around. Right now, I think the best thing we can hope for is that LSU makes a VERY strong hire.
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Saban will never Fulmer. He won't allow it, he demands more and will not settle for mediocrity period. We've got to up our game instead of thinking he'll come back to our level.
 
#41
#41
Well it's not like he has gone undefeated since he has been there...his team has played poorly at times...vols have had the chance a few times while being down....I would say if vols keep progressing and can stay away from injury bug...they have a shot to split 50/50
 
#42
#42
He is not the unbeatable God people make him out to be...he is taking advantage of other teams being down..he didn't win every one against a good Fla team, lsu team, aub team, ole miss team, ou team...he and his teams are very good but not unbeatable every single year
 
#43
#43
I laid this out in another thread today. The downfall of Alabama (and it will happen - it happens to every program after a run of success) will likely occur as follows:

1. Saban retires. I think this is happening sooner than most people think (within the next couple of years).
2. They hire Dabo or another similar big name coach.
3. This coach is able to recruit at the same level as Saban but loses a couple of games a year, which prevents them from getting into the playoff.
4. Extremely frustrated by this, Bama fires the coach despite him going something like 30-6 in regular season games over 3 years.
5. The coach they replace him with is mediocre, recruiting slips, and they begin dropping games to schools like Tennessee, LSU, and Auburn. They have re-entered Football Purgatory.
 
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JC61 said:
He out talents opponents more than out coaches them.
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In Saban's last 50 games against Top 25 opponents, he's 40-10. Surely there must be some Xs and Os in there to have that type of success against teams who would have at least a bit of talent and depth.

Or does it just feel better to think of him as a recruiting juggernaut who can't coach?
 
#45
#45
fade route said:
Awesome, you get a gold star
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Fade...seriously, if everyone would just ignore the bammer troll, he will eventually go away. When bama falls off the top of the mountain, he will disappear then too. He probably has avoided Ole Miss boards until this year.
 
#46
#46
And SEC programs need to stop firing their coaches because they aren't the GOAT. It's Sabans world unfortunately and it doesn't matter who our coach is. We can't measure our success by him. We need not have a cow because of a loss or big loss to Bama, regardless of injuries or not. Not many coaches have won championships in the SEC or abroad the last 7 years and Saban will probably get another this year. At some point we have to come to grips with reality that overtaking his program simply isn't happening until he's gone.
Look at Ole Miss. Big whoop they beat them twice. They would rather not keep losing 3 or more games each year. They will eventually get rid of Freeze as with Miles getting fired because he wasn't better than Saban, even tho Ole Miss is relevant now. Richt the same.
Jones may be a miss, but we are winning more games each year and he has made coordinator upgrades, so no reason to think he won't xontinue. So instead of throwing in the towel after the beatdown, let's forget about Bama and focus on dominating the East. Sabans time is short and Bama will come ddown.
 
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