The Third Debate Thread

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Grand Vol said:
You give up all rights to go overboard about Fox News if you don't watch it.

Admit it, you want to see the Fox moderated debate.
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Ha, no, that's not an issue. I do feel sorry for Wallace, though. He's going to have a lot of pressure on him from the regular Fox viewership to go after Clinton more harshly than he does Trump. But he also has to worry about the more moderate wing of his audience, the Megyn Kelly wing, and of course this is the first time Fox has moderated a debate, so its important that he be even-handed.

Going to be tough for him to juggle all of those pressures.
 
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Grand Vol said:
If I were him...well, let me preface that by saying I wouldn't have done even a percent of the tarded crap he's done, but anyway...I'd sit back and let Fox have at her. Make my points clear and concise, don't allow myself to be provoked and spell out some serious policy issues that have been missing thus far.

The final debate is where it comes down to the undecided voters. It's been a clown show so far with no winner heads above the other in any of them. Now is the time to let Fox go after her on policy and the other items the other debates have ignored and for him to act "Presidential."
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Heading into it, though, he's given the impression he will do everything but what you outline above. As I've said before, he so loves the adulation of the far right crowd responding to the red meat, that he doesn't care about the effect of all of that on the rest of the voters.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Heading into it, though, he's given the impression he will do everything but what you outline above. As I've said before, he so loves the adulation of the far right crowd responding to the red meat, that he doesn't care about the effect of all of that on the rest of the voters.
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He may have the far right crowd in hand, but the proposals he just brought up (term limits and ethics) certainly appeal to the centrist and undecided voters. At least those that somewhat keep up with politics. Many, if not most, of the informed people in this nation (and read that as a non-political blanket) know the majority of problems start in Congress (again, all parties are to blame) as well as the corruption by lobbyists. And will respond to such an idea favorably as even you did.

He has to get that centrist crowd on board in order to be competitive in battleground States. Lock up GA, AZ and OH after this debate; put PA, CO, FL, NC and maybe even NV, NH into play and you see a completely different race come election day.
 
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Grand Vol said:
He may have the far right crowd in hand, but the proposals he just brought up (term limits and ethics) certainly appeal to the centrist and undecided voters. At least those that somewhat keep up with politics. Many, if not most, of the informed people in this nation (and read that as a non-political blanket) know the majority of problems start in Congress (again, all parties are to blame) as well as the corruption by lobbyists. And will respond to such an idea favorably as even you did.

He has to get that centrist crowd on board in order to be competitive in battleground States. Lock up GA, AZ and OH after this debate; put PA, CO, FL, NC and maybe even NV, NH into play and you see a completely different race come election day.
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I agree he should be pushing the ethics and term limits reforms. I think he'll mention them. And I think Wallace will give him every opportunity to highlight them, practically begging him to focus on it. I'm just not convinced he can.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree he should be pushing the ethics and term limits reforms. I think he'll mention them. And I think Wallace will give him every opportunity to highlight them, practically begging him to focus on it. I'm just not convinced he can.
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Not like it's going to change your mind this election cycle.

Or mine for that matter.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's why I think your comment about the electoral map is academic, at best. It's just way too late.
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My mind was made up some time back.

But don't underestimate the amount of people that will hold their nose and vote for Trump just to keep Hillary out. The recent proposals have appeal to some. I'll call it what it is, justification to vote for him over her.
 
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Grand Vol said:
My mind was made up some time back.

But don't underestimate the amount of people that will hold their nose and vote for Trump just to keep Hillary out. The recent proposals have appeal to some. I'll call it what it is, justification to vote for him over her.
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And what will you do when none of them is adopted?
 
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lawgator1 said:
And what will you do when none of them is adopted?
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I'm not voting for him, so I'm not sure what question you are asking.

As others have stated, he can huff and puff all day long if he gets elected about term limits as well as the other ethical standards he put forth. However, best of luck trying to get Congress to pass anything like it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm not voting for him, so I'm not sure what question you are asking.

As others have stated, he can huff and puff all day long if he gets elected about term limits as well as the other ethical standards he put forth. However, best of luck trying to get Congress to pass anything like it.
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If I were 100% certain Trump could get all of his proposals through congress I would change my vote. I would vote for anyone who could. It would probably be a landslide election.

They'll never get rid of lobbyist though. It would be unconstitutional. They are after all the fourth branch of government.
 
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MT LeConte said:
If I were 100% certain Trump could get all of his proposals through congress I would change my vote. I would vote for anyone who could. It would probably be a landslide election.

They'll never get rid of lobbyist though. It would be unconstitutional. They are after all the fourth branch of government.
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I agree they will never get rid of lobbyists, but having the ability to limit their influence would certainly go a long way in helping diminish the power they have.

Some time back, I thought this system of term limits would be helpful:

No more than two terms as a Senator, equaling no more than 12 years.

No more than six terms as a Representative, equaling no more than 12 years.

No more than 12 total years in Congress combined time in both the House and Senate. For example, if one served three terms as a Representative, one term as a Senator would be permitted.

Minimum of six years between time served. Example, if a person served the maximum amount of time, at least six years must pass before they could run for Congress again if they wanted. (this dovetails nicely into the five year limit on the no-lobbying provision)

If a Senator is appointed to fill a vacancy, they can serve no more than 14 years total, providing a special election is held on the next national election year.
 
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Hmm..I'll probably wash my car and do a quick wax on my rims..that will be more fun and have longer tangible results than watching a debate between morons.
 
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MT LeConte said:
If I were 100% certain Trump could get all of his proposals through congress I would change my vote. I would vote for anyone who could. It would probably be a landslide election.

They'll never get rid of lobbyist though. It would be unconstitutional. They are after all the fourth branch of government.
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Something has to be done though. Any non insider will agree with that.

But let me ask you...is it how Trump behaves that turns you off? Because when I just step back and look at what the candidates want to do, besides the wall, Trump pretty much seems to have the better plan for helping Americans. But then he goes and does some late night twittering...

Americans need jobs, and better paying jobs. Americans need to be able to compete in a global market/environment. I am leaning towards that means the old mind numbing low skill factory work has gone the way of the dodo and the US needs to adjust educational resources to point people to more high tech careers..that being said in the f##king 80's teachers were telling us that high tech was the way to go and math and science were important....guess no one listened.
 
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"I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. Personally."

Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, will be at the debate tonight.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
"I blame Hillary Clinton personally for the death of my son. Personally."

Patricia Smith, the mother of Sean Smith, will be at the debate tonight.
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Every rational person out there, including GOP, is telling him to talk policy. Be presidential.

So he invites Benghazi people and Obama brother. And I hear maybe Palin. I'm sure that will get him a ton of those undecideds.
 
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One could make the argument that Trump is no longer tying to win. Just maintain his celebrity status, and the audience happens to be far right. If he were the Dem nominee he'd be whipping up their base, and calling people like the Benghazi mom unhinged.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One could make the argument that Trump is no longer tying to win. Just maintain his celebrity status, and the audience happens to be far right. If he were the Dem nominee he'd be whipping up their base, and calling people like the Benghazi mom unhinged.
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The way he has conducted his campaign it's questionable that he was ever trying to win.
 
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Hope Trump comes out, walks over to Clintons podium, whips out a can of spray paint and paints the top of her podium so she can't see her mini teleprompter screen. Lol
 
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Seriously, I hope Chris Wallace or Trump which email did she used for classified emails. I have yet heard that question to her.
 
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AirVol said:
Seriously, I hope Chris Wallace or Trump which email did she used for classified emails. I have yet heard that question to her.
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Hate to disappoint but Wallace will probably be easier on her than the previous mods.
 
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