The terrible misuse of Chris Weatherd

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Am I the only one that observes our misuse of this kid. Coach Jancek calls him a pass rush specialist but we never have him rush the passer. He simply stands back 5 yds and watches the qb throw. Why not line him up along side Barnett and tell him to hit the qb so hard his girlfriend feels it on 3rd down?
 
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Why Weatherd doesn't play more befuddles me...but at the same time he isn't exactly getting to the QB at will.
 
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He does rush the passer sometimes out of that formation. Sometimes they'll use him as a spy or send him on a delayed blitz, but he rushes straight sometimes too.

I think the problem with him is that he's a bit of a one trick pony with his speed rush and doesn't have the size to fight through a block once a lineman gets his hands on him. So basically they have to try to find ways to use him where he can zoom by a blocker with little chance of being taken completely out of the play.

Using him as a spy or on delayed blitzes are the easiest way to do that. If our other guys were doing a better job of disrupting the pocket, it would probably be much more effective.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
He does rush the passer sometimes out of that formation. Sometimes they'll use him as a spy or send him on a delayed blitz, but he rushes straight sometimes too.

I think the problem with him is that he's a bit of a one trick pony with his speed rush and doesn't have the size to fight through a block once a lineman gets his hands on him. So basically they have to try to find ways to use him where he can zoom by a blocker with little chance of being taken completely out of the play.

Using him as a spy or on delayed blitzes are the easiest way to do that. If our other guys were doing a better job of disrupting the pocket, it would probably be much more effective.
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Please show me film where he just straight rushes b/c outside of a couple of plays all year I haven't seen it. Also when has he blitzed from the outside?
 
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We'll get right on that. Which format would be best for you?

Seriously tho, I think the guy before was pretty accurate. Hope he gets to the QB a lot in 2 weeks.
 
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chieftn15 said:
Please show me film where he just straight rushes b/c outside of a couple of plays all year I haven't seen it. Also when has he blitzed from the outside?
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I don't have time to pour through all of our defensive snaps, but he was on the field and blitzed along with JRM one of the screen plays they gashed us on last week (though in pretty sure that was a different formation). I've seen him blitz a few times out of that 3 man front, but you're right he usually doesn't fire straight off the ball and get after the QB right at the snap. However, I specifically remember one time because he was completely stonewalled by a lineman. Which is probably part of the reason they prefer to use him as a spy or on delayed blitzes. He only has one move: running around defenders. If that move fails, he doesn't have a follow up move.

As for blitzing off the outside, I can't remember whether it was him or not, but wasn't he in the nascar front we say before maggit went down with him and maggit on the outside and Phillips (or maybe Lewis) and Barnett on the inside? I could totally be remembering that wrong though.
 
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You would think on obvious passing g downs you might line in up in Magitts's spot. His situation has been an odd one this season
 
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Sorta limited to passrusher only... But not really a every down player
 
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If you go back and watch the Vandy game last year (a good example of when this formation was effective for us), you can see how this formation works ideally. Weatherd would spy, but he'd usually stay very close to the line (maybe even around the actually at the line of scrimmage only 2-3 yards from the lineman who are backpedaling anticipating a rush) and wait for Maggit and Barnett to come flying like off the edge like bats out of hell, and when the QB would go to step up in the pocket, Weatherd would attack.

That gave him an advantage because the OL in the middle (with their backs turned) can't see where the QB is going and Weatherd could use his speed just to zip right by them. Sure, he was spying the QB, but the effectiveness of Barnett and Maggit off the edge effectively made it like a delayed blitz almost.


IMO the problem with this formation this year has been that our DEs aren't getting around the edge and providing pressure like they did last season. It seems like many of them are so married to that stupid spin move or other finesse moves whereas last year a lot of our pass rush effectiveness came from second effort type of plays where they out willed or overpowered OTs.
 
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MurphyVol said:
You would think on obvious passing g downs you might line in up in Magitts's spot. His situation has been an odd one this season
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I've been thinking the same thing. He may be a one trick pony, but why not give him a shot to use his speed against bigger,slower OTs?
 
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Perhaps it's because, unlike you, the coaches see practice every day and understand these player's strengths and weaknesses. Perhaps they have him playing where the team most needs him. As usual, another negative post. Some folks have to be negative about anything and everything.
Do you guys think the coaches decide to "misuse" (OP's phrase) a player because they aren't interested in putting the players in the positions that best fit their strengths and the team's needs?
 
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Will likely be another one that will shine in the NFL but wasn't properly used at UT or given the full opportunity. That's nothing new for UT though.....
 
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madbamahater said:
Will likely be another one that will shine in the NFL but wasn't properly used at UT or given the full opportunity. That's nothing new for UT though.....
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"Another one"? Got ONE example of someone who didn't shine for us but did in the NFL?...then we'll get to the rest of your lengthy list. :thumbsup:
 
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chieftn15 said:
Am I the only one that observes our misuse of this kid. Coach Jancek calls him a pass rush specialist but we never have him rush the passer. He simply stands back 5 yds and watches the qb throw. Why not line him up along side Barnett and tell him to hit the qb so hard his girlfriend feels it on 3rd down?
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I question a lot of things this staff does or doesn't do
 
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The only way we beat Bama is to get in Coker's face, and stop the run. Basically the same strategy that we have had the last 2 weeks. We really need the Defense to step up for this game. If we can stop their offense, who hasn't exactly been a power house, we definitely have a shot at them. I think our offense is going to have a little trouble running the ball, this is a great game for Dobbs to hurt them with his legs. They have had trouble with running QBs. This will free up the down field ball. I think they are going to load up for the run and make Dobbs beat them with his arm. So he needs to. We play smart, and not hurt ourselves we should be fine.
 
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Its the coaches job to disguise blitzes for Linebackers (just watch Blitzburgh Steelers) and Jancek basically has 2 or 3 looks and when Weathered comes in; other teams have scouted what he will do and they block him but if the DC doesnt do a better job of moving him around and disquising him then he is no use................
 
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madbamahater said:
Will likely be another one that will shine in the NFL but wasn't properly used at UT or given the full opportunity. That's nothing new for UT though.....
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Like who exactly? Did you even think before you made that statement?
 
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grobin4300 said:
Its the coaches job to disguise blitzes for Linebackers (just watch Blitzburgh Steelers) and Jancek basically has 2 or 3 looks and when Weathered comes in; other teams have scouted what he will do and they block him but if the DC doesnt do a better job of moving him around and disquising him then he is no use................
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I think we need to be sending pressure more times than not. The way Barnett was able to get free and cause some problems was because we were sending pressure that had to be picked up. That aggressiveness is something that we should be showing a lot more of.
 
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Volsick said:
I think we need to be sending pressure more times than not. The way Barnett was able to get free and cause some problems was because we were sending pressure that had to be picked up. That aggressiveness is something that we should be showing a lot more of.
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AGREE 100%, and especially when the other team has a young QB. I would put the emphasis on making him find the "hot" read, yes they may break a few, but I think there are alot more chances of us making plays also
 
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This again is falls on the coaches shoulders. Why we needed a spy for Lambert on the last drive when he is as mobile as a statue is beyond me.
 
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