The team just quit...

#26
#26
DooleyOrangePants said:
Not calling you out, but I have to ask the question, what does the statement "Butch's teams play hard for him" mean? I see that said from time to time and it doesn't really make sense to me. I see the team playing hard for the team, in spite of Jones. Not playing for hard for him. I can't imagine there are many aside from Jumper who feel like he's a football mastermind and a coach worthy of putting it all on the line for.
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Look back at Dooleys last year and you have your answer.
 
#28
#28
DooleyOrangePants said:
Not calling you out, but I have to ask the question, what does the statement "Butch's teams play hard for him" mean? I see that said from time to time and it doesn't really make sense to me. I see the team playing hard for the team, in spite of Jones. Not playing for hard for him. I can't imagine there are many aside from Jumper who feel like he's a football mastermind and a coach worthy of putting it all on the line for.
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They play hard in the face of adversity and overcome Butch's blunders. That hasn't been in The Vols culture going back to just after Casey Clausen graduated.

If you think I am defending Butch... I'm not!
 
#29
#29
DooleyOrangePants said:
Not calling you out, but I have to ask the question, what does the statement "Butch's teams play hard for him" mean? I see that said from time to time and it doesn't really make sense to me. I see the team playing hard for the team, in spite of Jones. Not playing for hard for him. I can't imagine there are many aside from Jumper who feel like he's a football mastermind and a coach worthy of putting it all on the line for.
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You can pat yourself on the back all day long for how well you think you split hairs. But he is the coach and they are the players. If they didn't want to play for him, they would transfer.

And get off Jumper. He has more heart than a pile of trash like you will ever have.
 
#30
#30
TNnative said:
You can pat yourself on the back all day long for how well you think you split hairs. But he is the coach and they are the players. If they didn't want to play for him, they would transfer.

And get off Jumper. He has more heart than a pile of trash like you will ever have.
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Touchy about Jumper I see! That's cute.
 
#31
#31
TNnative said:
You can pat yourself on the back all day long for how well you think you split hairs. But he is the coach and they are the players. If they didn't want to play for him, they would transfer.

And get off Jumper. He has more heart than a pile of trash like you will ever have.
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If not for injuries he wouldn't play. We're not talking about him as a man, but as a player.
 
#34
#34
ManningBerry#1 said:
If not for injuries he wouldn't play. We're not talking about him as a man, but as a player.
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Precisely. All the respect in the world for him giving his all. But his play is just awful. The fact that Butch keeps him out there is just mind boggling, when there are others that have outperformed him that see limited action.
 
#36
#36
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Dumbassery statement. We would've been in the game if Dormady didn't suck so bad.
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Yeah. He's the reason the receivers were bad, UT couldn't run the ball, Kelly fumbled, Robertson choked a snap, etc....

He played poorly but NO ONE on that O played well. No one.

But that's not the worst problem....

The Jones "system" doesn't work. Remember when he was "searching" for an OC. That was his opportunity to bring in someone with a system that did work. He doubled down on what he believes in... and it FAILED.

His "system" is apparently difficult to execute. It does NOT create run lanes. It does NOT get receivers open. It does NOT help a QB execute his job. The only time this O worked is when Dobbs could make up for its failures by bailing out bad plays with his legs.

This loss... reflects Jones "whole body of work".
 
#37
#37
sjt18 said:
Yeah. He's the reason the receivers were bad, UT couldn't run the ball, Kelly fumbled, Robertson choked a snap, etc....

He played poorly but NO ONE on that O played well. No one.

But that's not the worst problem....

The Jones "system" doesn't work. Remember when he was "searching" for an OC. That was his opportunity to bring in someone with a system that did work. He doubled down on what he believes in... and it FAILED.

His "system" is apparently difficult to execute. It does NOT create run lanes. It does NOT get receivers open. It does NOT help a QB execute his job. The only time this O worked is when Dobbs could make up for its failures by bailing out bad plays with his legs.

This loss... reflects Jones "whole body of work".
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Not to mention shotgun formation on short yardage downs...
 
#38
#38
sjt18 said:
Yeah. He's the reason the receivers were bad, UT couldn't run the ball, Kelly fumbled, Robertson choked a snap, etc....

He played poorly but NO ONE on that O played well. No one.

But that's not the worst problem....

The Jones "system" doesn't work. Remember when he was "searching" for an OC. That was his opportunity to bring in someone with a system that did work. He doubled down on what he believes in... and it FAILED.

His "system" is apparently difficult to execute. It does NOT create run lanes. It does NOT get receivers open. It does NOT help a QB execute his job. The only time this O worked is when Dobbs could make up for its failures by bailing out bad plays with his legs.

This loss... reflects Jones "whole body of work".
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I don't usually agree with you.

But...

Why don't we run trick plays anymore. We used to. It's almost like Butch had nothing to do with those. Why is that?

Georgia's freshman QB has done well this year. We have a freshman QB. He can't run the offense for crap. He doesn't play because of it. Why is that? UGA plays a freshman plays well.
 
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#39
#39
JCHateSteve said:
I don't usually agree with you.

But...

Why don't we run trick plays anymore. We used to. It's almost like Butch had nothing to do with those. Why is that?

Georgia's freshman QB has done well this year. We have a freshman QB. He can't run the offense for crap. He doesn't play because of it. Why is that? UGA plays a freshman plays well.
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Didn't you see Dormady split out for our wildcat play in the 1st qt😟
 
#40
#40
The only ones who aren't upset, demoralized and/or despondent are Vol fans who really don't care that much. Acting all superior cuz they "don't let it get to them"..they are beyond getting upset "over a game" etc. Well, these ones can find another message board and talk about knitting or favorite TV shows or whatever. And NO...we aren't the only ones who care about college football and are heavily invested in it..emotionally or whatever.

Read ANY of the message boards of the heritage schools like UT who have endured what we have and you'll see the same outrage if not worse...much worse.

In fact..we should be more outraged than we are. Can u imagine Bama's boards after a game like today? OMG. But the difference between most of our fan base and theirs is they DON'T TOLERATE garbage like this...EVER. They DEMAND change...cuz they are committed to winning. We have been lulled into accepting a heritage program with a rich history like ours being "average" at best...and a gawd awful laughingstock at worst.

I was listening to CBS sports radio tonight..and watching ESPN commentary and EVERYONE is talking about how bad this program has fallen and how unacceptable it is for a program like UT. But...Butch has given us the inspiring...soul stirring message that NOW...."we're gonna find out who the true competitors are". Butch reeled me back in with that quote. (sarcasm).
 
#41
#41
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Dumbassery statement. We would've been in the game if Dormady didn't suck so bad.
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Really.......GA's QB was dominant.

Certainty Tennessee could have scored, maybe made the game better, but prob not made a game of it.

Tennessee's run D has been ranked 111, and 120 since Shoop showed up. Not saying it is his fault, just saying.......and with a run D like that, you need more than a QB to "make a game of it."
 
#42
#42
djohnnyg said:
I was listening to CBS sports radio tonight..and watching ESPN commentary and EVERYONE is talking about how bad this program has fallen and how unacceptable it is for a program like UT.
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And how many times have we heard these same people defending coaches? When many of those people are basically saying Tennessee needs a new coach...........things must be real bad.....and must really need a new coach.
 
#43
#43
ManningBerry#1 said:
From the first snap I knew. Offensive line not moving forward, receivers not come toward the ball. It was clearly evident.

Even the team that lost to Kentucky under Dooley played harder than we did today. For him to say we need to look at the film is BS.

You just need to look in the mirror to find the problem Butch.
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I'm gonna look in the mirror and see Butch?
 
#44
#44
BigOrangeTrain said:
Your propensity to absolve Butch is mind blowing. Butch can do no wrong in your eyes.
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No joke, like if Dormadywas better he could catch interceptions and stop those not human running back? Or block? Or pressure the true freshman QB more.

There is a glaring lack of player development. Dormady has been around a while. If he is bad (Has good moments this year), then maybe Butch should have hired a real QB coach. Butch hasn't hired anyone to work with qb's that isn't an old friend. That's unacceptable. It's like if they aren't in his fave on the call plan he won't call them.
 
#45
#45
Firing Butch may be the most obvious thing in college football...but geez the buyout is an insane 9.75 million. I could understand if they are a bit apprehensive. The whole situation just sucks.
 
#46
#46
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Ofcourse it is. And if he would have played JG with an INT then what ya got? Oh thats right let me quote" why did Butch put JG in. Fahr him!"
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You're ridiculous! Who recruits the QBs? Butch and the staff he hired. Who develops the QBs? Butch and the staff he hired? Who runs the practices? Who decides the starter? Who calls the plays? It's all on Butch.
 
#49
#49
"We need to look at the film..."

Perhaps he should watch the game while it's happening. To many time the cameras would show him pacing the sidelines instead ofbengaging his players or watching the action. It looked like he was looking for a buyout.
 
#50
#50
ManningBerry#1 said:
From the first snap I knew. Offensive line not moving forward, receivers not come toward the ball. It was clearly evident.

Even the team that lost to Kentucky under Dooley played harder than we did today. For him to say we need to look at the film is BS.

You just need to look in the mirror to find the problem Butch.
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He’s the problem ... which is why he’s about to get fired
 
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