The Supreme Court of the United States Thread

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GAVol said:
Not sure about the exact term, but the idea came from Reagan.
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Reagan said the welfare system was broken and used it in the 70s but he did not originate the term...

The papers wrote their own headlines, and it was in the Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, New York that she was first dubbed the “welfare queen.”

The Myth of the Welfare Queen

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but if it helps justify the SCJ intimidation, party on GArth! :)
 
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StarRaider said:
Reagan said the welfare system was broken and used it in the 70s but he did not originate tHe term...
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... Which is basically what I just said.

The idea and the effect were Reagan's. The term was coined to simplify the explanation of what he meant. I don't think Reagan was racist, but the description played to a stereotype.
 
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GAVol said:
... Which is basically what I just said.

The idea and the effect were Reagan's. The term was coined to simplify the explanation of what he meant.
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So the term to explain what Reagan meant came years before Reagan used the term to explain that the welfare system was broken. Got it.
 
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AshG said:
Strict Catholics, too.

Since theirs are the most stringent arguments, let's go with them as our standard. Life should begin at ejaculation. How many times have you committed murder?
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So we should use Old Testament laws now? You usually come off as sort of a know it all. An older person who has read a lot. But your analogies and word salad are borderline ridiculous. I mean this is as ridiculous as Luther equating a developing child to an apple tree.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you claiming a fetus does not exchange gases, acquire and process nutrition and provide homeostasis?

It seems those are things all life forms do
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It does not, the mother does that. A fetus is completely dependent to a certain point in development.
 
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OHvol40 said:
It does so dependently. A fetus is completely dependent to a certain point.
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The cells of the fetus are no more dependent on the mother for oxygen than your cells are on the climate. It seems like an arbitrary distinction.

The cells of a fetus still exchange gases without the aid of the mother. Just like how your cells exchange gases without the aid of the environment. Both are required. But neither physically do the work.

It would be like claiming you cooked dinner because you bought the groceries. The mother brings the groceries (oxygen) but the cells of the fetus independently make the dinner (exchange the oxygen for carbon dioxide and create energy).
 
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AshG said:
Want to actually recruit people to the side of pro-life? Then this caricature has to be dealt with.

We send the signal loud and clear that babies born to the wrong demographic are unwanted by society and are on the prison or welfare path from inception. We demand the child be born then harass and harangue the mother for not being able to take care of or raise the child without assistance.

It's a confusing message, that.

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Reeves said that the first immediate priority for Mississippi will be assisting organizations that help women with unwanted pregnancies. He pointed to legislation he signed last month that will provide a $3.5 million tax credit to individuals and businesses that donate to the 37 pregnancy resource and crisis pregnancy centers in the state. These organizations offer abortion-alternative services including free sonograms, pregnancy tests, and counseling and can help women find access to other resources for housing, food assistance, and more after birth.
"We want to make sure that we get those individuals, ladies and women and expectant mothers, the help that they need from a health care standpoint, but it's not just about the health care. It's about other resources that are available to those moms," he said.
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Gov. Tate Reeves says Mississippi will 'show that being pro-life is not just about being anti-abortion'
 
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AshG said:
Want to actually recruit people to the side of pro-life? Then this caricature has to be dealt with.

We send the signal loud and clear that babies born to the wrong demographic are unwanted by society and are on the prison or welfare path from inception. We demand the child be born then harass and harangue the mother for not being able to take care of or raise the child without assistance.

It's a confusing message, that.

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So if you oppose the killing of black fetuses, you’re morally obligated to provide for the child?

What about the characterization of progressives as still supporting their eugenics policies from a century ago?

Do you have to deal with that characterization of your position?
 
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evillawyer said:
Can we just agree that forcing women to serve as incubators against their will is wrong?

This is a fun game.
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The mother's actions caused the baby to be conceived. An abortion causes the death of the baby every time. Forcing the mother to be an incubator rarely results in her death. You really think your analogy is an equal one?
 
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Sea Ray said:
The mother's actions caused the baby to be conceived. An abortion causes the death of the baby every time. Forcing the mother to be an incubator rarely results in her death. You really think your analogy is an equal one?
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Of course she does. She was all in favor of forcing vaccines on everyone.
 
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Sea Ray said:
The mother's actions caused the baby to be conceived. An abortion causes the death of the baby every time. Forcing the mother to be an incubator rarely results in her death. You really think your analogy is an equal one?
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Nah, unwanted pregnancies are largely the fault of men, who face little in the way of consequences for unwanted pregnancies.

 
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evillawyer said:
Can we just agree that forcing women to serve as incubators against their will is wrong?

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Yet, you guys were all for forcing people to be incubators for a shot that not only didn't do as advertised, but caused serious problems for healthy people? If you truly believed what you're trying to argue, you would've been against forcing anything health related against someone's will. That's what gets me with the left, you spend so much time arguing what the tv tells you to believe, you don't even realize what a hypocrite you are.
 
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evillawyer said:
Nah, unwanted pregnancies are largely the fault of men, who face little in the way of consequences for unwanted pregnancies.

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I was kindly reminded of the incorrectness of this position earlier. You may wish to reconsider the role the man plays and understand that cultural, ethnic, and religious issues are simply scapegoats for the women's choices.
 
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evillawyer said:
Nah, unwanted pregnancies are largely the fault of men, who face little in the way of consequences for unwanted pregnancies.
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while I don't deny the role of the sperm are you suggesting women have no agency? most unwanted pregnancies are the result of non-consensual sex?

takes two to tango - saying it is largely the fault of the man or the woman ignores how this big, crazy world works
 
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