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#26
#26
Good post but we do have some pieces.Tuttle and Kmac and big Trey on the line.I think they all play better next year but yeah 7-8 wins in year one would be good.
 
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I did mean DOBBS. As far as spreading the field today look at the PRO's and what they do. They spread you out by making you fear the big play which is usually set up by the run. Every successful pro team has a running game and every successful college team has a running game it is that simple. I am not talking about the power I hear but I am talking about power football when you need it and we have needed it in the past and NEVER had it.

Dobbs ability to run is why we were successful in the past not his passing. Add Kamara to that and what did you have......a running game. That opened up the short pass and running back out of the backfield not our long passing game.
 
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morristown vol said:
Good post but we do have some pieces.Tuttle and Kmac and big Trey on the line.I think they all play better next year but yeah 7-8 wins in year one would be good.
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We do have some but we really need about 5 or 6 more big strong guys now,
 
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thistime said:
This is not going to set well with most but this is where we are. Jones recruited well but did not get the people he needed to run his SYSTEM. Square pegs in round holes and it just did not work.

He as most here got all excited about stars behind recruits names since he was never able to go after that type player before. He sold his idea of TN to young men they bought it and he couldn't produce pure and simple. His system was flawed and would not work in the SEC with the talent he went after and he was unwilling to change.

Think about if we had Hurd running with a FB in front of him and Dodds running behind a line that was actually blocking somebody and not an area where we might have been. But the SYSTEM did not allow for that.

The defense for the SYSTEM was bend but not break. We will score TD's you score FG's. Really more of a after thought in the SYSTEM.

Ga Tech, all the military academies, Boise State and countless others have found a system that works well, they get the best they can for THAT system and give the big boys fits because most teams only see that system once or twice a year at the most.

In Jones system you needed OL that are smaller and faster that purely zone block, a big QB that can run AND throw, TE that can block first and catch everything that is close to them since short passes are a must, fast WR's to spread the field and are sure handed and quick fast running backs that are pass catchers out of the backfield. We never had ALL of that at the same time.

SO WHAT NOW ???? JUCO, Pruitt is going to change UT back to what we have always been a big strong aggressive team that runs the ball down your throat. passes short and mid range to keep you honest and burn you long when we can......sound familiar ? (ALA, CLEM, OSU, UT in the 90's)

We need some big MEN that don't have to get stronger and mature. We have had very poor success with the few exceptions with getting OL that can come from high school and play. Young men usually get handled by grown men and we see that a lot in the SEC.

Skill players we are in pretty fair shape as far as RB goes. TE, WR both need help, we need people who want to get after the ball and expect to catch everything that comes their way and not expect the perfect throw every time.

QB who knows, I think that is WIDE open with some of the skill sets needed in all three of the ones we have. Pocket passer (Dormandy), somewhat mobile (JG), tough (McBride) and the new guy ( Stroud) is a wild card.

On defense we were slow, weak and SOFT and that is the only way to put it. Soft coverage, slow LB's and WEAK DL.( you can't play patty cake and expect to stop anybody) Was that scheme or talent, who knows. I hope it was scheme but I really think it is a little of both.

I think that is about to change big time. Pruitt has worked in a defense that has big DL and BIG fast LB's and DB's that are in your grill all the time and I expect that is what we will be just like we were in the 90's.

What this all tells me is we are getting back to who we have really always been.....A TOUGH HARD NOSED TEAM. That is who we are on the hill and the flashy stuff has run its course. The tough part is playing for titles WILL TAKE TIME. The biggest reason is the big uglies, we just don't have them on either side of the ball.

I think in year one 7-5 maybe 8-4 if we get help from JUCO lineman. Year two 8-4, 9-3 then after that we should be good to go for bigger and better. I believe this staff really does have an idea of what they want and need to be successful and we as fans just have to be patient and see what they put on the field.

I think we may all be happy in the end......thistime.

MERRY CHRISTMAS
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Dodds, Dormandy, Stroud? I thought this was a thread about our team.
 
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year...I read that today on VN so it must be true...:peace2:...

PS. OP...thanks for all the updates...:bottom:...:drive2:...:)

GO VOLS!
 
#32
#32
There are some who feel Butch should have been given another year and that he was just beginning to turn things around. LOL
 
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If the idiot and respectively I do mean idiot , wouldn't recruit players to fit his system than he deserves to coach the North Korea trump busters for Kim jon- un.
 
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WestTnHawk said:
The 90's are dead man. OSU, Bama, Clemson, OU, etc run spreads. The reasoning is simple, create running lanes between the tackles by attacking the entire 52.5 yards. In the case of Barn and Bama, they run physically from the spread. OSU won with Zeke doing the same. As for defense I'm a 4-3 proponent, buts that's just me. I agree our defense was more reactive the proactive, but I like getting after people with a 4 man rush. We're we really lack on that side of the ball is CB. Modern offenses put tons of stress on corners and we haven't had but 2 good ones in 15 years. In summary, let's be physical, but let's not revert to what got us here in the first place (Fulmer's inability to keep up with the game). Anyway, Go Vols Merry Christmas!!
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This.

I realize most folks are Saturday football fans and haven't spent countless hours trying to learn the nuances of the game and basically repeat what they learn from the announcers, but Brett Bileima should be a warning tale to any who think that going completely away from spread philosophies is a winning combination. You'll pretty much end up looking much like Brett did.

The thing is DC's are eventually going to figure out the perfect (well as perfect as football allows) combination of player type and scheme to make the current version of spreads falter and as they do OC's will figure out how to combat those athlete types and schemes and who knows in 20 years the Single Wing may make another splash.

But if you're trying to win with the same athete bodies and schemes that worked in 1998 you're probably in for a long season.

I've never understood why fans gave crap what offense or defense their favorite team was running as long as it was successful. If CJP lined up in the Double Wing formation every play and ran Off Tackle Power 75% of the time and were winning, I'd be cheering louder than anyone in the stands. If they lined up 4 wide and threw the ball 90% of the time and were successful, agian I'd be cheering louder than anyone around. The same goes for defensive formations.

I suppose it might be a little more fun seeing a scheme you were taught in hs or college a few years ago as it helps with seeign what's actually happening but outside of that I can't think of a reason why I'd care what schemes the Big Orange run.

Just win baby..
 
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Defense wins in the SEC and you have got to keep them off the field if you can unless you have Bama depth. A strong run game does that and you better have it. The big boys get tired, going wide open and spread is great if you can score at will but if you don't what then.

Georgia Tech this year is a classic example of big boys tongues dragging. We won but they gained how many yds and if they had just some defense it may not have been a W. Georgia had a D and did the same thing and we all know how that worked out.
 
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WestTnHawk said:
The 90's are dead man. OSU, Bama, Clemson, OU, etc run spreads. The reasoning is simple, create running lanes between the tackles by attacking the entire 52.5 yards. In the case of Barn and Bama, they run physically from the spread. OSU won with Zeke doing the same. As for defense I'm a 4-3 proponent, buts that's just me. I agree our defense was more reactive the proactive, but I like getting after people with a 4 man rush. We're we really lack on that side of the ball is CB. Modern offenses put tons of stress on corners and we haven't had but 2 good ones in 15 years. In summary, let's be physical, but let's not revert to what got us here in the first place (Fulmer's inability to keep up with the game). Anyway, Go Vols Merry Christmas!!
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dude, where did you come from? breath of fresh air for me. you seem to see the game as i do.
 
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#41
#41
OP is a negavol!

Signed,
Volnation Sunshine Pumpers
Circus Dec. 2012 - 2017

State law!
 
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thistime said:
This is not going to set well with most but this is where we are. Jones recruited well but did not get the people he needed to run his SYSTEM. Square pegs in round holes and it just did not work.

He as most here got all excited about stars behind recruits names since he was never able to go after that type player before. He sold his idea of TN to young men they bought it and he couldn't produce pure and simple. His system was flawed and would not work in the SEC with the talent he went after and he was unwilling to change.

Think about if we had Hurd running with a FB in front of him and Dodds running behind a line that was actually blocking somebody and not an area where we might have been. But the SYSTEM did not allow for that.

The defense for the SYSTEM was bend but not break. We will score TD's you score FG's. Really more of a after thought in the SYSTEM.

Ga Tech, all the military academies, Boise State and countless others have found a system that works well, they get the best they can for THAT system and give the big boys fits because most teams only see that system once or twice a year at the most.

In Jones system you needed OL that are smaller and faster that purely zone block, a big QB that can run AND throw, TE that can block first and catch everything that is close to them since short passes are a must, fast WR's to spread the field and are sure handed and quick fast running backs that are pass catchers out of the backfield. We never had ALL of that at the same time.

SO WHAT NOW ???? JUCO, Pruitt is going to change UT back to what we have always been a big strong aggressive team that runs the ball down your throat. passes short and mid range to keep you honest and burn you long when we can......sound familiar ? (ALA, CLEM, OSU, UT in the 90's)

We need some big MEN that don't have to get stronger and mature. We have had very poor success with the few exceptions with getting OL that can come from high school and play. Young men usually get handled by grown men and we see that a lot in the SEC.

Skill players we are in pretty fair shape as far as RB goes. TE, WR both need help, we need people who want to get after the ball and expect to catch everything that comes their way and not expect the perfect throw every time.

QB who knows, I think that is WIDE open with some of the skill sets needed in all three of the ones we have. Pocket passer (Dormandy), somewhat mobile (JG), tough (McBride) and the new guy ( Stroud) is a wild card.

On defense we were slow, weak and SOFT and that is the only way to put it. Soft coverage, slow LB's and WEAK DL.( you can't play patty cake and expect to stop anybody) Was that scheme or talent, who knows. I hope it was scheme but I really think it is a little of both.

I think that is about to change big time. Pruitt has worked in a defense that has big DL and BIG fast LB's and DB's that are in your grill all the time and I expect that is what we will be just like we were in the 90's.

What this all tells me is we are getting back to who we have really always been.....A TOUGH HARD NOSED TEAM. That is who we are on the hill and the flashy stuff has run its course. The tough part is playing for titles WILL TAKE TIME. The biggest reason is the big uglies, we just don't have them on either side of the ball.

I think in year one 7-5 maybe 8-4 if we get help from JUCO lineman. Year two 8-4, 9-3 then after that we should be good to go for bigger and better. I believe this staff really does have an idea of what they want and need to be successful and we as fans just have to be patient and see what they put on the field.

I think we may all be happy in the end......thistime.

MERRY CHRISTMAS
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YuuuuuuuuuuuuP
 
#48
#48
You'll be amazed how much better some guys are when they stop hesitating while they worry about the "fine details"... and just go hit somebody. Jones had this idea that he could get college players to execute with the fine precision of a ballerina. And... the team played like a bunch of ballerinas.

Truth is he was probably thinking that UT was his audition to be an NFL HC. He talked about fixing the wrong problems for 5 years. It wasn't "fine details"... it was fundamental football and playing too slow because they had to think too much.

PS- that also contributed to all the injuries. They guy who plays fast and initiates the hit... doesn't get hurt as often.
 
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Improvements in the win total require significant improvement in quarterback play. Those confident that such improvement will occur can rest easily that 7-9 wins is possible. Also seeing assumptions that Tuttle and co. will live up to their potential. Could be.
 
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