The shut down thread

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DC_Vol said:
Someone needs to throw down the gauntlet. If the TSA cannot stop 80% of threats in simulation exercises, the TSA needs to be disbanded.
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As I recall the Israelis have a very effective screening program. Unfortunately, here it's considered profiling ... effective but politically incorrect to the US left ... guess which wins.
 
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AM64 said:
As I recall the Israelis have a very effective screening program. Unfortunately, here it's considered profiling ... effective but politically incorrect to the US left ... guess which wins.
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I think the Israelis just check foreskin. Yep, won't happen here.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
You can't tell me this wasn't intentional. Someone knew who he was and picked him on purpose. He had been on several National news outlets over the last month or so he was pretty recognizable.
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Take your tin foil hat off dude, I've seen all kinds plucked for a random pat-down - Kids, geezers and yes the handicapped. Not everything is as nefarious as you must believe. As much as I despise the TSA, that dude did his job and was thorough - he needed to be, especially with cameras on him.
 
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Septic said:
Take your tin foil hat off dude, I've seen all kinds plucked for a random pat-down - Kids, geezers and yes the handicapped. Not everything is as nefarious as you must believe. As much as I despise the TSA, that dude did his job and was thorough - he needed to be, especially with cameras on him.
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The point is why were the cameras on him? Profiling?
 
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AM64 said:
The point is why were the cameras on him? Profiling?
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It's almost like he was wanting to make a spectacle of it with the video and all. Frame it as the worthless organization that targets disabled army veterans and patriots everywhere. If you source the video it probably traces back to his wife.
 
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AM64 said:
The point is why were the cameras on him? Profiling?
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Everyone has a camera nowadays. No shortage of folks looking for outrage.

I broke my leg and had surgery in Vail a few years ago, they swabbed my wheelchair and patted me down too. I wasn't butthurt.
 
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It was already mentioned here, but how is it that the Israelis are so good at things like airport security, border security, and active shooter response...and yet here we are still trying to find something that works?
 
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Grammys: Pop Star Arrives in MAGA Suit, Singer Joy Villa Wears ‘Build the Wall’ Dress

At the 2019 Grammy Awards, a couple of singers arrived in attire that screamed aloud their support for President Donald Trump among a sea of Hollywood’s most famous and outspoken liberals.
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Grammys: Pop Star Arrives in MAGA Suit, Singer Joy Villa Wears 'Build the Wall' Dress
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
It was already mentioned here, but how is it that the Israelis are so good at things like airport security, border security, and active shooter response...and yet here we are still trying to find something that works?
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Maybe it's their gun laws.
 
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Mick said:
Maybe it's their gun laws.
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Maybe it's changed since the last time I was there, but almost everyone in Israel is / was armed. They have / had mandatory military service (3 years?), and so basically the entire population knows how the IDF works, and many are armed even as civilians. Note: there was also a mandatory jail term for anyone who lost their weapon.

I've posted this here before, but I remember watching a guy walk past me at the bus station in Haifa with a briefcase and an M4 slung over his back. When I was there, I had a "guide" assigned to me...almost certainly Mossad or IDF...who served as my guide, translator, and drinking buddy. He was door to door with me, and had the room next to mine where I stayed. We never talked about it in detail, but I know he was armed, and my guess is that he would have taken a bullet for me. Those folks do not screw around when it comes to security. Never felt safer in my life, and I didn't even have a sharp pencil to defend myself with.

The airport at Haifa, which is the only one I personally saw, looked like a prison from the perimeter. Concertina wire, gun towers, and vehicles moving on the perimeter all over the place. Get inside, and you talk to at least two Israeli Customs (?) officers before you get anywhere near an aircraft. They rely on human instinct more so than technology. And they're good at it.

Same goes with their version of active shooter response. They don't train, or operate, to finish 2nd in a gunfight. Move fast, stay off the walls, and shoot straight and often when you have a target. Locate, Isolate, Eliminate. That's their motto. You'd have to see it to believe it. Scary good. One of the hardest and most instructive weeks of my life.

Not sure where you were going with your post, but we could learn a lot from the Israelis. And should.

Been there, seen that. They do it right.
 
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Septic said:
Take your tin foil hat off dude, I've seen all kinds plucked for a random pat-down - Kids, geezers and yes the handicapped. Not everything is as nefarious as you must believe. As much as I despise the TSA, that dude did his job and was thorough - he needed to be, especially with cameras on him.
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This wasn't some random handicapped veteran. This was a guy who had been on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC etc.. in the last couple of months. He is well known for starting the online GoFundMe account where people were donating to build the wall.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
This wasn't some random handicapped veteran. This was a guy who had been on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC etc.. in the last couple of months. He is well known for starting the online GoFundMe account where people were donating to build the wall.
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Oh, that crook? Lol.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
This wasn't some random handicapped veteran. This was a guy who had been on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC etc.. in the last couple of months. He is well known for starting the online GoFundMe account where people were donating to build the wall.
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They know who it was. They brought all the tweets from the go fund me and the links of him being a crook. They just don't want to admit that this was an search conducted because of an affiliation with the Republican party.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Maybe it's changed since the last time I was there, but almost everyone in Israel is / was armed. They have / had mandatory military service (3 years?), and so basically the entire population knows how the IDF works, and many are armed even as civilians. Note: there was also a mandatory jail term for anyone who lost their weapon.

I've posted this here before, but I remember watching a guy walk past me at the bus station in Haifa with a briefcase and an M4 slung over his back. When I was there, I had a "guide" assigned to me...almost certainly Mossad or IDF...who served as my guide, translator, and drinking buddy. He was door to door with me, and had the room next to mine where I stayed. We never talked about it in detail, but I know he was armed, and my guess is that he would have taken a bullet for me. Those folks do not screw around when it comes to security. Never felt safer in my life, and I didn't even have a sharp pencil to defend myself with.

The airport at Haifa, which is the only one I personally saw, looked like a prison from the perimeter. Concertina wire, gun towers, and vehicles moving on the perimeter all over the place. Get inside, and you talk to at least two Israeli Customs (?) officers before you get anywhere near an aircraft. They rely on human instinct more so than technology. And they're good at it.

Same goes with their version of active shooter response. They don't train, or operate, to finish 2nd in a gunfight. Move fast, stay off the walls, and shoot straight and often when you have a target. Locate, Isolate, Eliminate. That's their motto. You'd have to see it to believe it. Scary good. One of the hardest and most instructive weeks of my life.

Not sure where you were going with your post, but we could learn a lot from the Israelis. And should.

Been there, seen that. They do it right.
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Could also be that the people that do the screening at the airports and security type stuff are ex-military as well. Was reading about their "human" approach with dialogue to gauge intent. Multiple factors for sure but it appears that it's good training. Thanks for the insight.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
They know who it was. They brought all the tweets from the go fund me and the links of him being a crook. They just don't want to admit that this was an search conducted because of an affiliation with the Republican party.
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This might sound insensitive, but if anyone is going have success smuggling a firearm or an explosive on a flight, it would be the person comprised, to a large degree, of metal.

Other than that, your theory is lame.. Practically nobody knows this dude from "just some random handicapped veteran".
 
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Stew Cook said:
This might sound insensitive, but if anyone is going have success smuggling a firearm or an explosive on a flight, it would be the person comprised, to a large degree, of metal.

Other than that, your theory is lame.. Practically nobody knows this dude from "just some random handicapped veteran".
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I wouldn't have know him but your side brought all his go fund me stuff over asking if we had the 5B yet. Then mick brought over links of something about being a crook. With the attitudes of people like the vape shop clerk going beserk it wouldn't surprise me at all that the TSA agent did it out of spite.
 
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