The SEC responds to "no call" on Cody/Helmet play

#51
#51
Volmania said:
I don't blame you for gloating about your victory while you can. It seems pretty obvious that this will be Bama's last win in the series for several years.
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Obvious? You seeing the future? Sweet, tell me a few things about next years game.

What incoming freshman who were at risk of not qualify ended up making it on campus?
What assistants are no longer on the team from taking other jobs?
How did the injury bug hit Tennessee in during the spring.
How did depth issues become solved when the new regime just brought in their official 1st class?
What injuries have occurred in the games leading up to the Alabama game?
What off the field discipline issues have occurred over the off season?
If you couldn't beat a Junior Greg McElroy, Soph Mark Ingram, Freshman Trent Richardson, Soph Julio Jones, Sidelined Donte Hightower, Sidelined Colin Peek... how are you going to do it when they've got another year under their belt and are surrounded by the redshirt team mates of the last 2 No.1 recruiting classes?

You have no idea how one thing can change the entire integrity of a season. You don't know what Tennessee's gonna do next week, much less a year from now. Like us with Saban, your hope is simply that everything is getting better. Like I said, you've got no idea what problems or luck next year will bring.
 
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#54
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Gcrop said:
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The ref is looking straight at a tide player and pointing to the ball. There is no bean bag in his hand, in the air, or on the ground. If we would have simply jumped on the ball and retained possession and the call was made, there would have been another kick. It was only third down.

We didn't get on the ball so that's on us, however no ref should ever do what that ref did and that was to give an unfair advantage to one or the other team. Pointing out the fact that the ball was live was an unfair advantage. Regardless of the perception.
 
#56
#56
Birmingham said:
I gloat on my board. This is your board, I don't gloat here. I will defend my opinion here however. These two coaches facing off for the next few years will be epic.
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See, here's the thing... NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR OPINION.
 
#57
#57
billbattle said:
I think the ref is signaling that the ball didn't go beyond the line of scrimmage.
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and the pointing was for the referee to know where the ball is. He is NOT looking at ANY player, he is looking through the pile to the backfield where the ref is. No advantage for any one.
 
#58
#58
Birmingham said:
You and I disagree that Alabama was outperformed. Don't take Tennessee playing better than expected as also meaning better than the other team. I think our defense outperformed your offense. I think we held you to less points which is the entire point in a competition. I don't care about yrds, I care about points. If you want to make yrds be more important than points than lets refer to Tennessee as the team that won today for the rest of this thread. Either way it won't make it true because your Offense didn't outperform Alabama's Defense nor was Alabama's defense outcoached.
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I understand that we don't, and the saying if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a good christmas", but with that being said if we swapped Kickers we likely win this game by 7. That was the difference in the game, we outperformed every other place. And i have a lot of respect for Ingram, he is great , but Hardesty is the best back in the league. Ingram just has a better/deeper O line around around him.period.
 
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MUR73 said:
I understand that we don't, and the saying if "ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a good christmas", but with that being said if we swapped Kickers we likely win this game by 7. That was the difference in the game, we outperformed every other place. And i have a lot of respect for Ingram, he is great , but Hardesty is the best back in the league. Ingram just has a better/deeper O line around around him.period.
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Pure speculation. However, as great as Hardesty is and as hard as he runs...I would LOVE to see him behind a dominant line like bammer's O-line. I think then we could proclaim him the best.
 
#61
#61
T-TownVol said:
and the pointing was for the referee to know where the ball is. He is NOT looking at ANY player, he is looking through the pile to the backfield where the ref is. No advantage for any one.
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Obviously we are watching two different videos because in the one on utube and the actual game the white hat is to the left of the pile and is looking directly at the ball. There are no other ref's in the backfield or on the offensive side of the ball.

How could the ref that is pointing at the ball and looking in the oppisite direction of the white hat be looking at anyone other than a player?

As a matter of fact if you watch the ref, he points to the ball and then follows the tide player with his head as he goes for the ball.
 
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#62
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Birmingham said:
I am.

With that being said, I don't think we got outcoached in either offense nor defense. Your defense is great, ours is too. We gave up less points than you. Crompton played VERY well and because of that he gave his team a chance to win.
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giving up an onside kick is part of being out coached
 
#63
#63
FLSTF-VOL said:
Obviously we are watching two different videos because in the one on utube and the actual game the white hat is to the left of the pile and is looking directly at the ball. There are not other ref's in the backfield or on the offensive side of the ball.

How could the ref that is pointing at the ball and looking in the oppisite direction of the white hat be looking at anyone other than a player?

As a matter of fact if you watch the ref, he points to the ball and then follows the tide player with his head as he goes for the ball.
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I am talking about the picture that is posted. The Referee is not in that picture, only the Backjudge and the Umpire. the Backjudge is pointing at the ball and looking through the play to the backfield.
I can assure you that the officials could care less who sees them pointing. They are only concerned with making sure that the other officials know where the ball is.
 
#64
#64
T-TownVol said:
I am talking about the picture that is posted. The Referee is not in that picture, only the Backjudge and the Umpire. the Backjudge is pointing at the ball and looking through the play to the backfield.
I can assure you that the officials could care less who sees them pointing. They are only concerned with making sure that the other officials know where the ball is.
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Then you should watch the video. The backjudge is not "looking" through the pile at anyone. He is clearly looking at the tide player. He even watches him as he goes for the ball. The ref would be in his direct line of sight if he were looking to his (the back judge) right or actually straight ahead. Watch the video.
 
#65
#65
FLSTF-VOL said:
Then you should watch the video. The backjudge is not "looking" through the pile at anyone. He is clearly looking at the tide player. He even watches him as he goes for the ball. The ref would be in his direct line of sight if he were looking to his (the back judge) right or actually straight ahead. Watch the video.
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I have watched the entire thing over and over. If I had been the Backjudge, which I was for 10 years, I would have been pointing to the ball also. The angle of the video might make it appear differently.
This would be his job, to watch the recovery.
Beleive me, I would be SCREAMING if there were any thing wrong here. The Bammer players were just ahead of us in finding the ball. The officials had nothing to do with it except maybe for the Bammer players seeing the officials communicating with each other.
 
#66
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T-TownVol said:
I have watched the entire thing over and over. If I had been the Backjudge, which I was for 10 years, I would have been pointing to the ball also. The angle of the video might make it appear differently.
This would be his job, to watch the recovery.
Beleive me, I would be SCREAMING if there were any thing wrong here. The Bammer players were just ahead of us in finding the ball. The officials had nothing to do with it except maybe for the Bammer players seeing the officials communicating with each other.
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The back judge clearly looks directly at the tide player, points to the ball and then watches his progress as he makes the recovery.

Yes, his job would be to watch the recovery, however his job is not to point out a live ball to either team.

I would even buy your argument that the officials were simply communicating had the back judge not been looking directly at the tide player and the ref was not looking directly at the ball, which he clearly was in the video.
 
#67
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FLSTF-VOL said:
The back judge clearly looks directly at the tide player, points to the ball and then watches his progress as he makes the recovery.

Yes, his job would be to watch the recovery, however his job is not to point out a live ball to either team.

I would even buy your argument that the officials were simply communicating had the back judge not been looking directly at the tide player and the ref was not looking directly at the ball, which he clearly was in the video.
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Ok buddy, I even question what happened but I think you might be getting a little off line...
 
#68
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FLSTF-VOL said:
The back judge clearly looks directly at the tide player, points to the ball and then watches his progress as he makes the recovery.

Yes, his job would be to watch the recovery, however his job is not to point out a live ball to either team.

I would even buy your argument that the officials were simply communicating had the back judge not been looking directly at the tide player and the ref was not looking directly at the ball, which he clearly was in the video.
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You are entitled to your opinion.
 
#69
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lylsmorr said:
Ok buddy, I even question what happened but I think you might be getting a little off line...
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How is it off line? Watch the darn Video and judge for yourself. To me, thats what it looks like. buddy.

He looks, he points, he watches.
 
#71
#71
FLSTF-VOL said:
How is it off line? Watch the darn Video and judge for yourself. To me, thats what it looks like. buddy.

He looks, he points, he watches.
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You act like it is BLATANT that he looks at #25 and says "Hey, I've got money on this game so jump on that dang ball right there". Yeah it looks like he is pointing and he is looking in the direction of the Bama player. Does it look suspicious? Hell yeah, but we have no idea for sure.
 
#73
#73
Birmingham said:
I am.

With that being said, I don't think we got outcoached in either offense nor defense. Your defense is great, ours is too. We gave up less points than you. Crompton played VERY well and because of that he gave his team a chance to win.
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you're on crack.
 
#74
#74
Unranked team goes to Bryant Denny and plays the #1 team in the country to a stand still . The unranked team misses 3 field goals , turnovers are dead even , and the unranked team outgains and out defends the #1 team in the country .

That being said , the Vols have a handful of great players , a patch work of pretty good players , and a bunch of freshmen and some walk-ons that are playing above themselves.

Bama has great players two deep or more at every position .

When lane has similar talent he will drill Alabama ( which he will given how quickly he has thrust the Vols into recruiting's top 10 ) . When Monte has defensive talent that can run his schemes ...it won't even be close . He shut them down with what CPF left behind .

That is the lesson that should be taken from this .
 
#75
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majic73 said:
Unranked team goes to Bryant Denny and plays the #1 team in the country to a stand still . The unranked team misses 3 field goals , turnovers are dead even , and the unranked team outgains and out defends the #1 team in the country .

That being said , the Vols have a handful of great players , a patch work of pretty good players , and a bunch of freshmen and some walk-ons that are playing above themselves.

Bama has great players two deep or more at every position .

When lane has similar talent he will drill Alabama ( which he will given how quickly he has thrust the Vols into recruiting's top 10 ) . When Monte has defensive talent that can run his schemes ...it won't even be close . He shut them down with what CPF left behind .

That is the lesson that should be taken from this .
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No doubt that the Vols are going to be back as contenders in the next few years with the recruiting classes and good coaching. But Lane Kiffin will never "drill" Alabama as long as Saban is coaching. Bama's recruiting classes have been in the top five every year Saban has been there. That's not going to stop just because UT is getting better.

And one correction: The unranked team didn't "miss" three field goals. They missed one. The Bama defense blocked the other two. No "miss" involved.
 
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