The SEC Has Lost Its Crown

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#101
Screw the sec. I'm all orange baby. I hope the rest of the sec loses every game as long as we win nothing else matters. GBO. GBO GBO
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Maybe Missouri, South Carolina and Georgia winning help (glass half full) go Vols!!
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Haha well except we lost 2 of those 3. I'm not sure there's any correlation at all, I just thought it was interesting that Meyer would mention that how common opponents' performances can affect a team's psyche.
 
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Good grief ladies! Auburn lost by the width of a football after being the luckiest dang team on the map. Bama played hard but, was beat by a really good OSU team that showed up with an amazing backup QB who should be considered next year for Heisman. He is amazing! Finally, winning by 1) D-Line first, 2) O-Lin second, and 3) an amazing QB, and 4) a little luck is a pretty standard recipe for success. Everyone should chill out, enjoy some excellent football and get ready...cause the pecking order will change several times over the coming years. Remember when UT was National Champs and even a dynasty?
 
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Weezer said:
In all fairness though, Bama was the SEC champ. They earned it on the field. Every year when an SEC team fails to get it done, the arguement always arises that it's "unfair" because we beat each other up week in and week out throughout the season. Every year I read that arguement. Hell, I've made it myself a time or two when I felt it was justified. But how do you make that arguement when they lost to a team playing their third string qb? Their our conference champions and they made us look bad tonight. How the hell does that little midget lose to a third string qb?
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Dobbs is our 3rd string QB too. Beginning the season as the 3rd string QB doesn't mean a player sucks.
 
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golf437 said:
If you do not understand then you never will.
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Sir I respect your feelings but disagree.
You realize that TN has NCs before the SEC was "THE"
conference and none since.
While I understand your logic, in reality, sometimes things work differently than we think they should.

UTs future success is in no way tied to Bama winning a title.
As a matter of fact, recruiting at UT is actually helped when mutual recruits don't feel guaranteed a trophy simply for choosing Bama.

Any UT that wins the sec, will not be voted out of the playoffs (in the future) just because Bama etc. doesn't win the title every year.

If we win, we will be in.
 
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volgrad500 said:
Haha well except we lost 2 of those 3. I'm not sure there's any correlation at all, I just thought it was interesting that Meyer would mention that how common opponents' performances can affect a team's psyche.
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Haha we lost to all the teams you mentioned. What's the point? We played Georgia and Missouri to the wire. That may improve a teams psyche- again glass half full
 
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Madscientistvol said:
By the time we are good enough to be a playoff team it will have moved to 8 teams, so I don't see anything to freak out over. Most conferences are a few good teams and a lot of cruddy teams, I still believe the SEC is better on average than the other power P5's though.
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This. I do believe the way we beat ourselves each week does come into play because of the expectations.
 
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I think people are jumping the gun slightly with this stuff..


It boils down to the SECwest teams thinking they were going to walk into their bowls and win just because of the Jersey they wore...

When you are on top you are going to get the absolute most effort, most prep...The BEST game a team can give you.

They want to knock you down and take that spot...

If you are not Hungry, If you don't practice twice as hard. If you don't want to absolutely demolish who even thinks they have the right to play on the same field as you do.. then you are going to lose.

And that is what happened to the SECw..

They simply got to complacent and thought they were indestructible..

You could tell from the very first snap of every SEC loss this bowl season which one of the teams wanted to win.. and which team thought they would win just for showing up.

Its sad.. but all the talk of the SEC being done next year will fuel the players and the SEC will demolish people next year because they will be hungry again...

JMHO
 
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utvols74 said:
The fallacy with the new system is that is ignores strength of schedule. Plus the committee is prone to bias.

#1 - FSU should have never been in the 4 team tournament. TCU should have. The committee was biased against TCU and in favor of FSU.

#2 - Aside from OSU and Wisc - what other teams in the Big 10 are any good? Can you say that about the SEC? No, there are 6-7 legitmate bowl eligible teams almost every year. The strength of schedule was taken into account in the old BCS formula. The committee "says" they take that into account, but do they?

I know this much, the road to the "final 4" is a h3ll of a lot easier in the PAC 10 or Big 10 than it is in the SEC.....and that struggle is largely left out of the current system.

E$PN got what they wanted....a national title between the PAC10 and BIG10.

....and if you doubt they're biased toward those two conferences just go back and listen to the talking heads when rumors were abounding of Harbaugh heading to Michigan. One female ESPN talking head was near ecstasy (or use another word beginning with "o" and ending with "m".) just thinking about it. She even commented on her "colleagues" at ESPN and their giddiness of the prospect.

The modern system has made it harder for a SEC team to win the national title and after 8 straight national titles, that was the point of the change fostered largely by E$PN.
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#2 Mich State is a darn good football team. Their only two losses where to both teams in the NC game weren't they? They also beat a good Baylor team
 
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vol-un-tear said:
Haha we lost to all the teams you mentioned. What's the point? We played Georgia and Missouri to the wire. That may improve a teams psyche- again glass half full
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What? Uh we beat South Carolina. My point was just mentioning that Meyer said how beating teams that then went on to win their bowl games gave them confidence. You seem to be looking for an argument here for no apparent reason.
 
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Weezer said:
As a conference, we are no longer the top of the heap. It used to be the SEC, then the rest of the college football world, but after tonight, the playing field has tilted. The best of the best won't come from our conference. It'll be the PAC12 or the B1G. The fact is, the best in the SEC this year, the mighty Bama, cannot even fall back on the tired old excuse that we beat ourselves up week in and week out. They lost to a team playing their third string QB. It was pathetic.

So what does that mean for us? Yes, we can laugh at Bama(and pray we win our own bowl game), but Butch lost one tool in his recruiting arsenal tonight. How do you sell playing in the "conference of champions" to kids in other areas of the country when you're no longer the conference of champions? How do you sell SEC dominance after a bowl season like this one? You can't. Teams like Bama, teams that compete, they'll always be able to sell that. But as a rebuilding team, we were able to sell our conference. I know some of you don't think it was much, but hey, you use what you have, and the simple truth is, it's one less tool Butch has now. That's one less foot in the door, and in the long run, we'll never know how much it may or may not hurt us. Hopefully Butch can find enough closer to home that it will not matter, but when UT was at its height, we could open practically anydoor in the country. As long as the SEC was known as THE strongest conference in the country, we could open many doors in the country because of that and our storied past. Now, we're in an average conference. We're an average team atm. Hopefully we continue to rise, but fewer doors across the country are available to us now. We have to start winning next year. A five hundred record in an average conference won't be good enough anymore. Next season, we have to make that leap to being a truly winning team, otherwise, it's very possible we backslide and watch as teams in other conferences pass us by.

Yeah, yeah, a bit melodramatic, but it's all true. Next year needs to be at least an 8 win season. We gotta progress because arguing we play in the SEC no longer holds water.
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So let me get this straight the sec has won 8 out of the last ten national championships and they can no longer be considered "a conference of champions"? Give me a break. However a weaker sec is a good thing for a rebuilding Tennessee. I am a Tennessee fan not an sec fan. So if the rest of the conference has a down swing while we are on our way up then it is a good thing.
 
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Weezer said:
As a conference, we are no longer the top of the heap. It used to be the SEC, then the rest of the college football world, but after tonight, the playing field has tilted. The best of the best won't come from our conference. It'll be the PAC12 or the B1G. The fact is, the best in the SEC this year, the mighty Bama, cannot even fall back on the tired old excuse that we beat ourselves up week in and week out. They lost to a team playing their third string QB. It was pathetic.

So what does that mean for us? Yes, we can laugh at Bama(and pray we win our own bowl game), but Butch lost one tool in his recruiting arsenal tonight. How do you sell playing in the "conference of champions" to kids in other areas of the country when you're no longer the conference of champions? How do you sell SEC dominance after a bowl season like this one? You can't. Teams like Bama, teams that compete, they'll always be able to sell that. But as a rebuilding team, we were able to sell our conference. I know some of you don't think it was much, but hey, you use what you have, and the simple truth is, it's one less tool Butch has now. That's one less foot in the door, and in the long run, we'll never know how much it may or may not hurt us. Hopefully Butch can find enough closer to home that it will not matter, but when UT was at its height, we could open practically anydoor in the country. As long as the SEC was known as THE strongest conference in the country, we could open many doors in the country because of that and our storied past. Now, we're in an average conference. We're an average team atm. Hopefully we continue to rise, but fewer doors across the country are available to us now. We have to start winning next year. A five hundred record in an average conference won't be good enough anymore. Next season, we have to make that leap to being a truly winning team, otherwise, it's very possible we backslide and watch as teams in other conferences pass us by.

Yeah, yeah, a bit melodramatic, but it's all true. Next year needs to be at least an 8 win season. We gotta progress because arguing we play in the SEC no longer holds water.
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Good. I hate Bammer and their two teeth.
 
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volgrad500 said:
What? Uh we beat South Carolina. My point was just mentioning that Meyer said how beating teams that then went on to win their bowl games gave them confidence. You seem to be looking for an argument here for no apparent reason.
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I am saying Tennessee can be encouraged by the East teams winning even if we lost a few games. I am seeing this as a positive for us. Do you?
 
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In all fairness though, Bama was the SEC champ. They earned it on the field. Every year when an SEC team fails to get it done, the arguement always arises that it's "unfair" because we beat each other up week in and week out throughout the season. Every year I read that arguement. Hell, I've made it myself a time or two when I felt it was justified. But how do you make that arguement when they lost to a team playing their third string qb? Their our conference champions and they made us look bad tonight. How the hell does that little midget lose to a third string qb?


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Dobbs is our 3rd string QB too. Beginning the season as the 3rd string QB doesn't mean a player sucks.
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And I really, really do hope Neb fans are saying this about Iwa later tonite.
 
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TOP said:
And easier to get left out of the playoffs.

There is no chance of the SEC ever getting two teams into a 4 team playoff now.

In fact, it will be harder for the SEC to move up polls. They'll stop putting 8 SEC teams in the top 25 which in turn means we won't be playing (overrated)top 25 teams every week. Go back and look at where teams are ranked when the games are played... just about every SEC team will finish lower than their highest rank of the season.

Even though South Carolina and Georgia weren't the problem this bowl year, we can't pretend like those top 25 rankings ever met anything when you watch the season and see how good those teams really are. We were so proud of our losses to Oklahoma and Ole Miss because of their rankings(I know Okie isn't in the SEC). Are you kidding me? They suck ass. The only difference now is that the sucks ass SEC teams we play won't have a number next to their name before they go on to suck the rest of the season. We can just start half of those SEC teams outside of the top 25 where they belong.

Fans have already argued that SEC is overrated and the media is bias. Now with the outcome matching the perception, the SEC won't be viewed is highly, teams won't be ranked as highly and thus wins won't propel as much and we'll drop farther in the polls with losses. When Georgia plays Ole Miss now, the loser won't drop a few spots in the top 25. They'll fall out of the top 25 and if they're not in the top 25, we can just assume they'll drop behind 15-20 other teams sitting outside the top 25.

If people don't think having fewer top 25 teams in the future and the SEC not being considered the best will make a difference, you're fooling yourself. When half your schedule is consistently made up of imaginary top 25 teams to propel you after wins and barely drop you after losses... the entire conference will feel the effects when poll voters stop ranking every SEC team in the top 25 to start the season.Next timw Alabama loses to Ole Miss or Ole Miss loses to Miss St, they'll rise and fall in the polls accordingly. Long gone are the days where everyone in the SEC is in the top 25 and thus every win/loss is to a top 25 opponent which meant barely dropping in the polls because you lost to a "quality opponent" while always making big jumps in the polls for beating a "quality opponent".
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Why should there be two teams from a conference in the playoff? I agree with your analysis and think all of the propoganda has created lowered expectations for our team. We should not go into a game against Ole Miss thinking it will be a loss ever. I had a problem with Bama getting a mulligan a few years ago. Oklahoma State should have played LSU. Winning the conference should matter.
 
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darkgable said:
I could have sworn the defense lost that game.
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RIGHT ON - (2) longest runs of the year against Bama D were in this game. Offense didn't exactly help much either.

Not sure 'rooting for SEC teams' besides TN is a good idea - SEC teams usually hold their own annually (see last 10 National CFB Champs win ratio) - let's root for TN and the rest will take care of itself.

Happy New Year and GO VOLS!!! :rock:
 
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dduncan4163 said:
Are there really Vols out there that would be happy with Bama winning another NC because it makes the SEC look good? I will never root for Bama or Florida regardless of the situation.
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My feeling exactly! The one team in the sec I care about is the VOLS! I don't give a damn how good or bad the rest of the conference is doing.
 
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Weezer said:
Addressed. The arguement holds no merit when OSU is playing its third string qb. If OSU was completely healthy, that arguement might hold water, though I'm not sure Bama was missing any key players.
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Do you not get it? OSU 1st string QB is transferring because he cannot beat out the 2nd or 3rd string QB. They're all on the same par. Torrance Gibson will not be a QB by Fall camp.

You act like OSU's "3rd string QB" was like UK's WR operating in the Wildcat or something.
 
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steino said:
Yet for the 9th year in a row, the SEC will have the most players drafted. Over the past 5 drafts, the SEC has has 241 draft picks. Second the ACC with 169. In that same time frame, the SEC has had 50 first round picks. Second, the Big 12 with 27.
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What does that have to do with what we're seeing this bowl season? Don't dispute your numbers at all. But I saw what I saw on the field the last week when SEC teams played other Power 5 conferences. And for the record, I only really care about the number of players that Tennessee puts in the NFL.
 
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