The rich will get much richer with the NIL

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The Original Fade said:
Don't count on it. It’s not the MLB, I doubt most companies will invest in athletes that get so little exposure compared to football and basketball.
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MLB has been paring down their minor league teams so better quality is available. Better = more marketable =exposure.
 
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Good players at mid majors will leave looking for better programs and a few extra bucks.

Big schools will have to cut players money if they don’t perform. Expect sad stories about mommas heat getting cut off cause State U ran Jimbo off.

3rd team DTs will make more in NIL than starting shortstops. It will be football/ basketball driven unless players do their own deals.
 
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I hear a lot of talk about NILs and schools - someone correct me, but aren't NILs directly between a player and a corporate entity.
The school, by rule, can not be involved in the deal.

So company X is paying player A for his name, image, likeness, to promote their brand regardless of what school he is attending.
Now that said, if company X is based, or has a large following, in say East Tennessee then it could be implied that player A needs to attend UT but it can not be specifically stated to my knowledge.

In other words, once the free market value balances out, I don't think schools can sit back and 'ear mark' a certain number of PWOs to be covered under a NIL and not offer them a scholarship.
 
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IndianaVol said:
I hear a lot of talk about NILs and schools - someone correct me, but aren't NILs directly between a player and a corporate entity.
The school, by rule, can not be involved in the deal.

So company X is paying player A for his name, image, likeness, to promote their brand regardless of what school he is attending.
Now that said, if company X is based, or has a large following, in say East Tennessee then it could be implied that player A needs to attend UT but it can not be specifically stated to my knowledge.

In other words, once the free market value balances out, I don't think schools can sit back and 'ear mark' a certain number of PWOs to be covered under a NIL and not offer them a scholarship.
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The private company Spyre sports does do the payment and NIL contracts. But you don’t think the coaches have a say in who they offer the money to? They will be a partnership with the coaches.
Hey Spyre this is the guy we need. Do your thing.
 
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jason3713 said:
How can you tell a private company what to pay their employees? The schools or the NCAA has no authority over them. They are just signing athletes to deals to use their name and likeness.
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The limitation could be on the athlete to remain NCAA eligible.
 
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jason3713 said:
The private company Spyre sports does do the payment and NIL contracts. But you don’t think the coaches have a say in who they offer the money to? They will be a partnership with the coaches.
Hey Spyre this is the guy we need. Do your thing.
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100% agree the coaches probably have a say...and this is where I think the stake in the ground is going to be between the corporate money, the schools, the coaches, and the NCAA.

From an 'official', NCAA point of view there is no way you can have coaches telling people that control the money we are targeting player A and have that money aggressively pursue that player in any level playing field capacity. Otherwise you just need to make it legal to play players now and not even worry with NIL.
 
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jason3713 said:
Think about this. You load up on as many great transfers as you can get on your initial 25.
Then how many over the 25 you want to take with high school kids you make them preferred walkons. The NIL deal they signed pays for school and gives them a salary. You can take as 35-40 per year and still be under the 85 with all of the walkons. The school isn’t paying the scholarship their NIL is.
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The cost can be covered for NIL by the entity of choice, but the money will be paid to the student who then pays the school and Uncle Sam and other applicable governments. Not sure if they can be employees or independent contractors, but income is income in the NON-amateur paid for your IMAGE model. When it is not under the table it is in full view those wanting their cut.
 
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IndianaVol said:
100% agree the coaches probably have a say...and this is where I think the stake in the ground is going to be between the corporate money, the schools, the coaches, and the NCAA.

From an 'official', NCAA point of view there is no way you can have coaches telling people that control the money we are targeting player A and have that money aggressively pursue that player in any level playing field capacity. Otherwise you just need to make it legal to play players now and not even worry with NIL.
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This will be tricky. In theory a coach could have a part time job as an advisor with the company providing the NIL money. I don't think the NCAA can get involved in any activity that would restrict the money going to the athlete, but this might help a player get money. Gonna be fun. But probably not necessary since the companies can probably afford recruiting pay sites that detail offers and visit lists for each player and can probably break the super secret star code.
 
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GregAmsler said:
My biggest hope for the NIL is that it will provide opportunities for baseball that weren’t there before. The 11.7 rule has hurt the sport and cost it a lot of talent that went pro out of high school. With NIL able to subsidize more, I think we’ll see more studs choose to play college baseball, which will make the sport more popular.
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They already are even before NIL, the trend was started 3-4 years ago. Minor league baseball programs struggling. College baseball is growing. Once tweaked and stabilized I think this helps out college sports, kids will be even more focused on staying current in school with NIL deals. It also helps people marginally ready for pros gives him more leeway to stay and maybe get or get closer to a degree and up his status in the draft. Sure some will fall flat, but much more incentive now. It wasn’t like players weren’t getting money under the table, now it is above board but the player actually has more responsibility. GBO!
 
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jason3713 said:
The private company Spyre sports does do the payment and NIL contracts. But you don’t think the coaches have a say in who they offer the money to? They will be a partnership with the coaches.
Hey Spyre this is the guy we need. Do your thing.
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Also, UT is not limited to one entity making NIL deals. Any entity can make deals with UT players.
 
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utvols74 said:
I made this point a few weeks back. We've seen this exact dynamic in the pros. Human behavior is human behavior and college sports will be affected just the same. I've not heard any of them talk about it, but college coaching just got a lot harder for "the rich".
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that is what evaluations by coaching staff will weed out, coaches still have a say in who they recruit
 
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jason3713 said:
Those changes didn’t involve payments. What if the top 8 pro teams in any sport were allowed to pay their players 10 times as much ch as other teams? Those 8 teams would dominate. Same here. It was almost like this anyway. There are only a few schools that could complete. Now it will just change a few of those names.
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Like the New York Yankees?
 
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Halph66 said:
Like the New York Yankees?
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Yankees get the free agents they want usually but the pros have drafts and trades. If you could pick your pro team coming out of college everyone would be a Yankee, red sock or dodger. They don’t have a choice until free agency. You know like transfers and high school kids do.
 
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jason3713 said:
Yankees get the free agents they want usually but the pros have drafts and trades. If you could pick your pro team coming out of college everyone would be a Yankee, red sock or dodger. They don’t have a choice until free agency. You know like transfers and high school kids do.
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Yep there's no discrepancy between team payrolls in the MLB.

MLB 2022 Payroll Tracker
 
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GregAmsler said:
My biggest hope for the NIL is that it will provide opportunities for baseball that weren’t there before. The 11.7 rule has hurt the sport and cost it a lot of talent that went pro out of high school. With NIL able to subsidize more, I think we’ll see more studs choose to play college baseball, which will make the sport more popular.
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The potentials are nearly limitless. Can a pro baseball team (or pseudo store front) now become an NIL provider and pay for players to go to college instead of paying them to go to A ball? This could really shrink the need for those lowest level leagues and probably save those teams a lot of money net net. Their interest would be in the player more than the school, but could be both, and do so legally. Not only has the dust not settled yet, it has not been stirred up yet. So you could draft a player and have accept an NIL and go to college deal instead of paying him to ride a lot of busses and play in small towns. The Braves could be happy with a kid playing at any number of schools. How can the NCAA stop this? Can you really disqualify a guy for entering the draft in the new post Supreme Court world if a guy rejects a paycheck in the minors to remain an amateur with NIL ad money in college? One of a million questions to be answered.
 
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Hubbard said:
The limitation could be on the athlete to remain NCAA eligible.
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How would that be different than what the system the courts struck down?
My guess is the NCAA as we have known has a short future. IMO A new league/conference/association will form and be less attached to the schools.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I think NIL will look vastly different 5 years from now then it does now.
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I sure hope so!! Look at Texas A&M. They are buying the best and have VERY deep pockets for NIL. I think I read where they got four 5 star lineman!
Their recruiting class is amazing. This NIL stuff is a HUGE mess IMO. NIL and the portal has changed college sports forever. Who knows what the future holds? Even Coach K of Duke said the system needs a complete overhaul.
 
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On the other hand (responding to the thread title)...

You could have schools which haven't invested in athletics, but who have many graduates that are pulling down big bucks with their own firms.

Imagine for example a group of older Penn grads, seeing that the coffers are full at the Wharton Business School, decide to devote their retirement years to game this NIL thing into putting some Penn teams on the national map. People with skilled brains, deep pockets, and wide connections could have a lot of fun taking on what they consider to be the traditional "dumb jocks" universities.

Time will tell...
 
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