The refs.....

#102
#102
jlindsa4 said:
I don't know about running backs but that tackle by a and m on Evan berry looked like helmet to helmet to me.
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Big white marks on the crown of the helmet to prove it. Tough to beat both another team and the officials.
 
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#104
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Normally I would not complain about ref, but I am not too confident in the calls. Must be equitable and go both ways - targeting, pass interference, etc. Not seeing this yet, but there is another half. If it reverses, TxA&M will be complaining.
 
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#105
CA_Vol said:
Don't understand how that hit wasn't helmet to helmet and Warriors hit was
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Warrior's hit is going to get called every time. It sucks, but it's a peelback block with contact with the head. It's a point of emphasis.
 
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You can gameplan all week, but there's nothing you can do about a ref crew spotting your opposition 7 at home.

12 for A&M put the crown of his helmet right on Berry's facemask and straight up knocked him out, Berry's limp body let the ball go.

Then the ref crew protects 12 on A BLOCKING ASSIGNMENT? Then they throw Warrior out for doing THE SAME THING 12 DID?

Add to that their countless other miscalls and mess ups.

This ref crew is god awful. They missed the helmet to helmet on Berry that gave A&M the ball in the RZ and they're protecting A&M's brain dead human mascot.

Disappointing, to say the least
 
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GAVol said:
Warrior's hit is going to get called every time. It sucks, but it's a peelback block with contact with the head. It's a point of emphasis.
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With how much crap A&M have been getting away with I don't blame him. Refs aren't doing anything and Warrior gave that pompous prick some payback.

I hate to say it, but I wish he had a concussion instead of wiseman.
 
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GoVolunteers said:
Don't blame this on refs... It is always the easy button when we are getting outplayed
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Look, I'm not one who likes to whine with the "its the refs fault", every time we don't have a good game. But this one is obvious. The hit to Berry was obviously helmet-to-helmet. I saw it, and my neighbors all know it because they heard me yelling about it, long before I got on here and read this thread. I'm not the only one who saw it.

Plus, the "Unsportsmanlike" call for merely pushing out of bounds, the same guy that delivered the helmet-to-helmet to Berry, was ridiculous.

And so was the pass interference in the end zone.

The refs ARE playing a part in this game. No question about it.
 
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#111
The hit on berry wasn't targeting, he wasn't defenseless, the hit by Warrior was definitely targeting, he hit someone, who wasn't even looking at him, lowered his helmet, and hit him helmet to helmet.

Jeez, act like you understand even a little bit of football before you whine about every hit

The definition of targeting..

"Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player. ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder."

The player has to be defenseless, what makes a player defenseless?

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.

A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.

A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A player on the ground.

A player obviously out of the play.

A player who receives a blind-side block.

A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.

A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first.
 
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sjt18 said:
You disagree?

The ball crossed the goal line. There should have been an INT on both of the last two balls to Malone. The INT against Gaulden on replay was a phantom. If #12 leading with the crown of his helmet when he hit Berry isn't targeting them what is? On Byrd's last run, one of TAM's DL's was a FOOT offsides. They needed replay to see that Knight was 3 yds past the LOS?

This is by far and away the most one sided officiating I've seen in 4 decades of watching football.... and it isn't really very close.
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That same guy has been lining up the same way all game - got called against us last week; some of the most amazing calls and non-calls ever in a game.
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
The hit on berry wasn't targeting, he wasn't defenseless, the hit by Warrior was definitely targeting, he hit someone, who wasn't even looking at him, lowered his helmet, and hit him helmet to helmet.

Jeez, act like you understand even a little bit of football before you whine about every hit

The definition of targeting..

"Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player. ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder."

The player has to be defenseless, what makes a player defenseless?

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.

A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.

A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A player on the ground.

A player obviously out of the play.

A player who receives a blind-side block.

A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.

A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first.
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Was the 12 hit on Berry helmet to helmet?
 
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BigSteve09 said:
Was the 12 hit on Berry helmet to helmet?
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Was Berry defenseless? No? Well then it can't be targeting...

Look, I just posted the rule, directly from the NCAA rule book, by the book, both calls were correct, just because we don't like the calls, doesn't mean they were wrong...
 
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UT_Tix79 said:
The hit on berry wasn't targeting, he wasn't defenseless, the hit by Warrior was definitely targeting, he hit someone, who wasn't even looking at him, lowered his helmet, and hit him helmet to helmet.

Jeez, act like you understand even a little bit of football before you whine about every hit

The definition of targeting..

"Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player. ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder."

The player has to be defenseless, what makes a player defenseless?

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.

A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.

A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.

A player on the ground.

A player obviously out of the play.

A player who receives a blind-side block.

A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.

A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first.
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Typical florida fan....taking it easy this week huh?
 
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NCVolfan6593 said:
Look, I'm not one who likes to whine with the "its the refs fault", every time we don't have a good game. But this one is obvious. The hit to Berry was obviously helmet-to-helmet. I saw it, and my neighbors all know it because they heard me yelling about it, long before I got on here and read this thread. I'm not the only one who saw it.

Plus, the "Unsportsmanlike" call for merely pushing out of bounds, the same guy that delivered the helmet-to-helmet to Berry, was ridiculous.

And so was the pass interference in the end zone.

The refs ARE playing a part in this game. No question about it.
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The team as a whole is certainly shooting itself in the foot, but it's like the fix is in and we aren't going to be allowed to win this one regardless. Not something I would normally ever say, but the officiating has been absurd. Really surprising that the A&M kicker hasn't succeeded in his acting career ... so far.
 
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