The Realities of The NIL Era...

[bozotheacc]

The NCAA needs to stand up and do something. Is there a way this can get controlled without the kids becoming employees?

Until Kiffin goes 'Full Michigan', LSU is going to be a handful. Of course, all the money LSU is spending on football does track with being 50th in the US in literacy.

 

[UT Hill Man]

The NCAA needs to stand up and do something. Is there a way this can get controlled without the kids becoming employees?

Until Kiffin goes 'Full Michigan', LSU is going to be a handful. Of course, all the money LSU is spending on football does track with being 50th in the US in literacy.

Wait, remember, we hate the NCAA and players deserve to get paid.

 

[EconVol92]

Wait, remember, we hate the NCAA and players deserve to get paid.

I understand what you’re saying, but they should be paid something, but not the amount they are now. The pendulum swung way to far the other way.

They also should have 5 years to play 5 years and nothing more.

 

[Rocky Top T]

It's ok that they get some money, but the amount many are getting is ridiculous. NIL wasn't meant to be Pay for Play!

 

[WaywardVol]

The NCAA needs to stand up and do something. Is there a way this can get controlled without the kids becoming employees?

Until Kiffin goes 'Full Michigan', LSU is going to be a handful. Of course, all the money LSU is spending on football does track with being 50th in the US in literacy.

Stand up? Only to be shot down in the courts.

Here’s the argument. NIL should have clear reciprocation of value. Money exchanged should have definitive and measurable returns. It doesn’t. Take Ament for example? Has he merited $4 million dollars is jersey sales, appearances, sponsorship, or spokesman work?? Hell no. It’s seems this argument would be easy to advance in a court of law. Collectives should have NO connection to boosters or universities, plain and simple. If Nike, Reebok, Pepsi, want to pay these athletes, go for it, but it should have little connection to where they attend school. Why on earth the NCAA has not managed to advance this logical argument in the courts is beyond me.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA needs to stand up and do something. Is there a way this can get controlled without the kids becoming employees?

Until Kiffin goes 'Full Michigan', LSU is going to be a handful. Of course, all the money LSU is spending on football does track with being 50th in the US in literacy.

Just a reminder that when pro athletes unionized, wages went up. Just as they did when auto, mine, truck workers unionized.

Be careful what you ask for.

 

[bozotheacc]

Wait, remember, we hate the NCAA and players deserve to get paid.

Stand up? Only to be shot down in the courts.

Here’s the argument. NIL should have clear reciprocation of value. Money exchanged should have definitive and measurable returns. It doesn’t. Take Ament for example? Has he merited $4 million dollars is jersey sales, appearances, sponsorship, or spokesman work?? Hell no. It’s seems this argument would be easy to advance in a court of law. Collectives should have NO connection to boosters or universities, plain and simple. If Nike, Reebok, Pepsi, want to pay these athletes, go for it, but it should have little connection to where they attend school. Why on earth the NCAA has not managed to advance this logical argument in the courts is beyond me.

Yes and yes. However. in our "free" economic system, these kids have been exploited for years. I am not saying "this is payback" as one chaos doesn't atone for years of exploitation. But free means free, and the tiers of compensation open to the players should just be separate. They should be under employment contracts, and that connects the kid to the program except for negotiated circumstances. Same agents asking for money should be able to negotiate a contract to give Joey Football some latitude if things go sideways a little, but not so much that the same agent can't call a 100 other schools to see if the kid can get another dollar for his senior season.

Name, Image and Likeness should be a real-world component. If I want to give money to the star QB and I own an asbestos removal company, that deal should have no ties to his playing anywhere special. The NIL corps can accept the donation and the school can honor me at halftime for my "help" or I can run radio adds with the kid telling our market that my asbestos company is top tier.

 

[bozotheacc]

Stand up? Only to be shot down in the courts.

Here’s the argument. NIL should have clear reciprocation of value. Money exchanged should have definitive and measurable returns. It doesn’t. Take Ament for example? Has he merited $4 million dollars is jersey sales, appearances, sponsorship, or spokesman work?? Hell no. It’s seems this argument would be easy to advance in a court of law. Collectives should have NO connection to boosters or universities, plain and simple. If Nike, Reebok, Pepsi, want to pay these athletes, go for it, but it should have little connection to where they attend school. Why on earth the NCAA has not managed to advance this logical argument in the courts is beyond me.

The money for the collective is going to come from boosters. It just is. Most of it at least. Have you seen the deal Utah has done? That is an alarming trend.

 

[bozotheacc]

Just a reminder that when pro athletes unionized, wages went up. Just as they did when auto, mine, truck workers unionized.

Be careful what you ask for.

Its going up at around 40% a season right now. At least that would create a ceiling. Right now if some FLA grad who bought Amazon as a penny stock wants to see them win before he dies, he can pump $100mil into the system for one season.

That will happen in the next 5 years.

 

[Hunerwadel]

It's ok that they get some money, but the amount many are getting is ridiculous. NIL wasn't meant to be Pay for Play!

I remember when they were talking about a stipend for scholarship athletes of about $100 a month. Many were saying no way. They are already getting a free education.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Yes and yes. However. in our "free" economic system, these kids have been exploited for years. I am not saying "this is payback" as one chaos doesn't atone for years of exploitation. But free means free, and the tiers of compensation open to the players should just be separate. They should be under employment contracts, and that connects the kid to the program except for negotiated circumstances. Same agents asking for money should be able to negotiate a contract to give Joey Football some latitude if things go sideways a little, but not so much that the same agent can't call a 100 other schools to see if the kid can get another dollar for his senior season.

Name, Image and Likeness should be a real-world component. If I want to give money to the star QB and I own an asbestos removal company, that deal should have no ties to his playing anywhere special. The NIL corps can accept the donation and the school can honor me at halftime for my "help" or I can run radio adds with the kid telling our market that my asbestos company is top tier.

The reality is: you probably neither need nor want some kid to advertise for your asbestos company. It's probably a poor use of resources by your company. The ONLY reason you'd make a stupid ad deal like that is so the kid plays for a team you like. THAT'S what NIL actually was always going to be at college level.

The athletes have a skill, the teams want to use that skill, one team offers money for that athlete to come to them and use their skill and another team offers more..... and we have a market for the athlete's service. I love America!

Folks are actually arguing on VN that the market economy is bad.

 

[Delmar]

Yes and yes. However. in our "free" economic system, these kids have been exploited for years. I am not saying "this is payback" as one chaos doesn't atone for years of exploitation. But free means free, and the tiers of compensation open to the players should just be separate. They should be under employment contracts, and that connects the kid to the program except for negotiated circumstances. Same agents asking for money should be able to negotiate a contract to give Joey Football some latitude if things go sideways a little, but not so much that the same agent can't call a 100 other schools to see if the kid can get another dollar for his senior season.

Name, Image and Likeness should be a real-world component. If I want to give money to the star QB and I own an asbestos removal company, that deal should have no ties to his playing anywhere special. The NIL corps can accept the donation and the school can honor me at halftime for my "help" or I can run radio adds with the kid telling our market that my asbestos company is top tier.

Theoretically yes it should work that way like it does when Papa John’s or Bush’s pays Peyton Manning. But it won’t be that way in today’s college football. Do you think if the president of the asphalt removal company is a UT booster that he is going to give a big NIL donation to Spyre for that QB and watch him go to Bama. Ain’t happening. That’s why this farce has always been pay for play at a specific university and will continue to be. And the coaching staff is directing the collective as to who to go after. The collective isn’t doing it blindly.

 

[newyorkvol]

The biggest problem is the NFL not allowing players to be drafted until 3 years out of high school. That is what has always created the money problems for college football, whether it was old school under the table or the current NIL.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The biggest problem is the NFL not allowing players to be drafted until 3 years out of high school. That is what has always created the money problems for college football, whether it was old school under the table or the current NIL.

Even in the era when kids COULD go to the NBA out of HS, college students got paid to play basketball by boosters.

You won't stop an athletic market by offering a "better market" because most college athletes never sniff the NFL but many are still getting nice NIL money because of competition in college.

The ONLY way to make the market less valuable is to make the industry, college football, less valuable. Stop the huge contracts for TV, televise only a few games each season, and make the game much less popular and less lucrative for the schools who will then put less emphasis on it like they do non-revenue sports.

I'll bet none of us like that solution.

 

[bozotheacc]

The reality is: you probably neither need nor want some kid to advertise for your asbestos company. It's probably a poor use of resources by your company. The ONLY reason you'd make a stupid ad deal like that is so the kid plays for a team you like. THAT'S what NIL actually was always going to be at college level.

The athletes have a skill, the teams want to use that skill, one team offers money for that athlete to come to them and use their skill and another team offers more..... and we have a market for the athlete's service. I love America!

Folks are actually arguing on VN that the market economy is bad.

We are all Americans and the free market is how this works. Within the legal framework, you should not be artificially restricted from earning money. However, Facebook shouldn't be able to buy tiktiok as competition breeds innovation.

So the system needs some regulation, but otherwise it should be fairer for every team. LSU is going to sell that states collective soul to win a couple of titles. And I bet it works. Would I want my 18-year-old son to have Lane KIffin as a role model?

IS the world a better place with him at LSU? No.

 

[Gandalf]

I remember when they were talking about a stipend for scholarship athletes of about $100 a month. Many were saying no way. They are already getting a free education.

Education? nobody gives a crap about an "education" anymore. Especially when you might make half a mil playing football, and social justice warrior degrees are worthless in the corporate world. And that is without ever going to the big show. But enough to set most kids up well for life if they handle it well. Buy a house, a mechanic shop, etc and make bank after their eligibility is done.

Artificial intelligence is only going to exacerbate that gap. This is minor league pro sports now. FULL STOP. The whole college thing is to give it a nice fan base tie in (read money supply).

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

We are all Americans and the free market is how this works. Within the legal framework, you should not be artificially restricted from earning money. However, Facebook shouldn't be able to buy tiktiok as competition breeds innovation.

So the system needs some regulation, but otherwise it should be fairer for every team. LSU is going to sell that states collective soul to win a couple of titles. And I bet it works. Would I want my 18-year-old son to have Lane KIffin as a role model?

IS the world a better place with him at LSU? No.

YOU are the one wanting to restrict competition by somehow going off on Lane Kiffin getting a better job for himself and LSU simply competing via hiring using money as an incentive.

That's ACTUALLY competitive. That's how it works. Want to innovate? Spend some money for research. Want to excel? Spend some money to hire excellent workers.

Just because you dislike the competition personally does not mean the system is broken.

 

[bozotheacc]

Theoretically yes it should work that way like it does when Papa John’s or Bush’s pays Peyton Manning. But it won’t be that way in today’s college football. Do you think if the president of the asphalt removal company is a UT booster that he is going to give a big NIL donation to Spyre for that QB and watch him go to Bama. Ain’t happening. That’s why this farce has always been pay for play at a specific university and will continue to be. And the coaching staff is directing the collective as to who to go after. The collective isn’t doing it blindly.

It's absolutely pay to play, but it's unfair to allow Nico situations to happen anywhere. And red shirting is a good thing for most kids. Although it hasn't really paid off for Arch Manning, I think his family did the right thing setting him up to sit. Best thing for the kld.

In the NFL it's usually preferable to have drafted QB watch for at least part of a season before being run out as a savior. This system is 100X worse for a star high school player who signs a gigantic NIL to go to...Arkensaw, let's say. Poor o-line, he ran 10 plays in high school and now has to make presnap blocking audibles. Odds of destroying that kids confidence are very high.

Maybe he was OK going to UT and redshirting but Ark offered more so he goes to Ark. And after that awful season, he's straight to the portal.

 

[Volador]

The NCAA is lead by a group of morons. To enter into the NIL & Portal challenges without a sound plan is like, well, shooting yourself in the head. Morons.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA is lead by a group of morons. To enter into the NIL & Portal challenges without a sound plan is like, well, shooting yourself in the head. Morons.

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There is no sound plan possible. I'm waiting if you have an idea but the NCAA gets sued on EVERY attempt to regulate NIL and transfers.

I'll wait, Einstein. Find a legal way to regulate the portal very much or NIL at all.

The NCAA fought it to the death because they knew it wasn't something they could legally regulate.

 

[Volador]

There is no sound plan possible. I'm waiting if you have an idea but the NCAA gets sued on EVERY attempt to regulate NIL and transfers.

I'll wait, Einstein. Find a legal way to regulate the portal very much or NIL at all.

The NCAA fought it to the death because they knew it wasn't something they could legally regulate.

To start with, regarding NIL, how about the NCAA setting maximums for each college to spend and each student to earn??

As for portals, open them up for 3 days once a year. Set requirements for those that qualify.

Douglas Einstein

or, it looks like this: Y/4 x 5%# 62: @ pi $* V

Simple

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

The NCAA is powerless unless Congress passes some sort of Antitrust exemption for college sports. That's the only way out in which college sports survives in a recognizable form. If you go the employee route football and basketball will inevitably break off from the schools and become true minor league sports teams, the non-revenue sports will go away. It is frustrating for the people who love college sports and understand these legal realities to see us hurtling towards this disaster with no power to avoid it because of the sheer inertia of all the ignorance, greed and misinformation surrounding the subject.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

To start with, regarding NIL, how about the NCAA setting maximums for each college to spend and each student to earn??

As for portals, open them up for 3 days once a year. Set requirements for those that qualify.

Douglas Einstein

or, it looks like this: Y/4 x 5%# 62: @ pi $* V

Simple

It's simply against the law for the NCAA to regulate what a player can make via NIL, but I'll humor you.

If a school has to be at $10M total NIL on 1/1 and they are, guess what happens on 1/2? LOTS MORE NIL DEALS ARE SIGNED THAT EXPIRE ON 12/31, rinse and repeat. The schools CANNOT legally stop an athlete from signing on 1/2 and how is your plan going to work to "regulate" total NIL?

Try again.

 

[WaywardVol]

The money for the collective is going to come from boosters. It just is. Most of it at least. Have you seen the deal Utah has done? That is an alarming trend.

And that’s my point. That should be easy for the NCAA to defeat in the courts.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The NCAA is powerless unless Congress passes some sort of Antitrust exemption for college sports. That's the only way out in which college sports survives in a recognizable form. If you go the employee route football and basketball will inevitably break off from the schools and become true minor league sports teams, the non-revenue sports will go away. It is frustrating for the people who love college sports and understand these legal realities to see us hurtling towards this disaster with no power to avoid it because of the sheer inertia of all the ignorance, greed and misinformation surrounding the subject.

The Supreme Court TOLD the NCAA that their business model is illegal and unworkable and they should go to Congress for help.

Still, every couple of months people post on VN that "the NCAA should fix this."

It's not really remarkable that a business model that's illegal and unworkable isn't working very well and gets sued all the time. Duh.