The Realistic Win/Loss Expectation

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In the very possible and unfortunate event that we lose tomorrow I just wanted to say ahead of time that the sky is not falling yet still. The Georgia/Alabama two game stretch was a question mark even in the off season with all the hype. There is a very real possibility that we end up being 2-5 going into the Halloween game against Kentucky. That's OK, don't bust out your pitchforks and torches, and don't turn in your VFL cards if you haven't already. Having said all of that there is a very good chance we win out the rest of the season putting us at 7-5 for regular season games. Despite how down we all may feel right now about this season that is surprisingly still an improvement on last seasons 6-6 record.

Hang in there VN! Go Vols!
 
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Coach Jones ..beware the Kentucky game..in the SEC, offense cannot pass down the field and defense cannot tackle. Could become very interesting
if coaching does not improve....
 
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My expectation was 8-4 with a possible stretch goal of 9-3. The expectations are not shattered but are badly cracked!
 
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If we just get killed tomorrow there will be a meltdown,if we battle to the end and don't blow lead it will be a little more calm.
 
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In the very possible and unfortunate event that we lose tomorrow I just wanted to say ahead of time that the sky is not falling yet still. The Georgia/Alabama two game stretch was a question mark even in the off season with all the hype. There is a very real possibility that we end up being 2-5 going into the Halloween game against Kentucky. That's OK, don't bust out your pitchforks and torches, and don't turn in your VFL cards if you haven't already. Having said all of that there is a very good chance we win out the rest of the season putting us at 7-5 for regular season games. Despite how down we all may feel right now about this season that is surprisingly still an improvement on last seasons 6-6 record.
No. It isn't. Relative to the strength of the two schedules it is treading water... if that.

Arkansas this year isn't close to as good as Ole Miss was last year. MU isn't. USCe doesn't look to be as good. UGA is playing lots of youth and has a new QB. Bama isn't as good as last year.

You can spin all you like but if this happens Jones will have won 7 games with an 8+ win roster.

IMO, he should have won 6 with the first team... but choked against Vandy. Last year was actually in line with what I thought he would do even before the '13 season due to roster turnover.


A 7 win season will be a very strong indicator that he is not the guy.

Hang in there Kool-Aid Drinkers! Go Butch!

FYP... because "Go Vols" and "7-5 is OK" are mutually exclusive statements.
 
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In the very possible and unfortunate event that we lose tomorrow I just wanted to say ahead of time that the sky is not falling yet still. The Georgia/Alabama two game stretch was a question mark even in the off season with all the hype. There is a very real possibility that we end up being 2-5 going into the Halloween game against Kentucky. That's OK, don't bust out your pitchforks and torches, and don't turn in your VFL cards if you haven't already. Having said all of that there is a very good chance we win out the rest of the season putting us at 7-5 for regular season games. Despite how down we all may feel right now about this season that is surprisingly still an improvement on last seasons 6-6 record.

Hang in there VN! Go Vols!

yep hang in there VN we will suck next year to.
 
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Well, we obviously expected to be at an advantage at this point.. yet now is when we decided as a group we should begin to worry about a possible loss.. WHAT IF it is all reversed???!! The things we did not seem to be concerned with kicked our Booty, now we are at this point, maybe our worry for this was for naught? Now we kick someone's ever living BEHIND!!



Who Knows.....?

GO VOLS!:clapping::pepper:
 
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No. It isn't. Relative to the strength of the two schedules it is treading water... if that.

Arkansas this year isn't close to as good as Ole Miss was last year. MU isn't. USCe doesn't look to be as good. UGA is playing lots of youth and has a new QB. Bama isn't as good as last year.

You can spin all you like but if this happens Jones will have won 7 games with an 8 win roster.

IMO, he should have won 6 with the first team... but choked against Vandy. Last year was actually in line with what I thought he would do even before the '13 season due to roster turnover.


A 7 win season will be a very strong indicator that he is not the guy.

Regardless of how you feel I'd bet money we are 2-5 come Kentucky. If that's going to be a problem for you you ought to come to terms with it now. We "could" win tomorrow but the chances are very, very slim given how we've been performing. Consider this a "coming to grips with reality thread."
 
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So...we lose in OT to a team who is top 10 quality, lose late to a team who just house Ole Miss and lost a close game vs a solid, but not great team. I'm not jumping ship yet. I hate the blown leads. I do. But to me, that speaks of lack of depth and untimely horrible missed FGs.

We are rolling Oklahoma without half our secondary and lose Maggitt. The O gets over simplified (granted), the D gets tired and the refs miss a pretty important false start call. We then can't finish.

Same w/ Florida. We get a lead...lose that lead when we don't blitz on 4th down and, again, get screwed by refs who tell the sideline they are stopping the clock. Just can't finish. I'm not ref whining BTW, that FG attempt had the distance regardless.

Then comes Arkansas. A hard nosed team runs all over us. We can't catch a ball when it matters and again...we can't finish.

From what I see, there are 2 major issues. Lack of quality depth and lack of a guy who can be relied on in the FG game. If dude makes his kicks, we are undefeated. He didn't and we aren't. It shouldn't be that simple, but if he makes his kicks, we extend leads. Our D doesn't get as exposed and we win 2-3 more games.

I'm not panicking. We have the same issues next year? Then I may start to wonder.
 
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I started the season expecting 8 wins.

If we win 6 I'll be amazed.

This team has the ability to win 8, but we gave away two big games in Oklahoma and Florida. I concede that Arkansas actually out played us.

My biggest worry right now is that the players are down and can't rally to right there issues.
 
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People on message boards do not represent the average fan. Most people I talk to in Knoxville, Nashville, and Chattanooga still strongly support Botch. I think 6 and 6 and beating Vandy every year is enough to keep Butch around for the duration of his contract. Losing to Vandy and not qualifying for bowl games is what got Dooley his pink slip.

Vol fans have an inferiority complex. They accept and expect to lose. It's probably because most are poorly educated, come from socioeconomic hardship, and are damaged by religion. Whatever the case may be, Jones is our guy. Neyland will be rocking Saturday. Change is not coming.

In the very possible and unfortunate event that we lose tomorrow I just wanted to say ahead of time that the sky is not falling yet still. The Georgia/Alabama two game stretch was a question mark even in the off season with all the hype. There is a very real possibility that we end up being 2-5 going into the Halloween game against Kentucky. That's OK, don't bust out your pitchforks and torches, and don't turn in your VFL cards if you haven't already. Having said all of that there is a very good chance we win out the rest of the season putting us at 7-5 for regular season games. Despite how down we all may feel right now about this season that is surprisingly still an improvement on last seasons 6-6 record.

Hang in there VN! Go Vols!
 
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Butch took Cincy to a 4 win season.

I am confident that he is capable of getting a 4 win season for UT.
 
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Regardless of how you feel I'd bet money we are 2-5 come Kentucky.
It isn't about my feelings but I suspect you are correct. Jones' opportunity to earn a "C" on the season probably went out the window for good last week.

If that's going to be a problem for you you ought to come to terms with it now. We "could" win tomorrow but the chances are very, very slim given how we've been performing. Consider this a "coming to grips with reality thread."

I am not disputing that 7-5 is a realistic possibility... only that it is a sub-par performance. It isn't "better" than last year.... and certainly not by a large enough margin.

There were actually MORE wins on the table for him than we thought. Many of us counted OU as a very likely loss and ended up being a game that should have been won.

If you want to "come to grips with reality"... then you need to think about how likely it is that Jones runs the table against the last 4 SEC opponents. He has a better roster. That's not in dispute... but talent wasn't the problem in the first 3 losses.

There's a real good chance that UK will be 5-2 or even 6-1 when UT travels to play them... at a likely 2-5. Frankly, UK is playing better and are coached better.

I don't think the question is whether Pinkel will outcoach Jones... just whether it will be enough to overcome a fairly significant talent gap. History says... yes he will.

The USCe game will have significance to Spurrier who has struggled with Jones.

Vandy is improving. They have little talent but even so are playing solid defense and finding a few things they can do on O.

The only almost certain win left on the schedule is UNT.

I agree that UT is likely 2-5 after Bama. I would love for it to be different but it isn't likely. I don't make many ironclad predictions but I'll make this one. If UT is 2-6 leaving UK... Jones will coach UT's first 4-8 team.
 
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People on message boards do not represent the average fan. Most people I talk to in Knoxville, Nashville, and Chattanooga still strongly support Botch. I think 6 and 6 and beating Vandy every year is enough to keep Butch around for the duration of his contract. Losing to Vandy and not qualifying for bowl games is what got Dooley his pink slip.

Vol fans have an inferiority complex. They accept and expect to lose. It's probably because most are poorly educated, come from socioeconomic hardship, and are damaged by religion. Whatever the case may be, Jones is our guy. Neyland will be rocking Saturday. Change is not coming.

its unacceptable to lose to Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Butch has a black mark of one Vandy loss. Losing to either really ramps up the heat IMO. not saying either is terminal because I think he gets next year regardless of what transpires this year. But it makes next year very critical to show major improvements.
 
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People on message boards do not represent the average fan. Most people I talk to in Knoxville, Nashville, and Chattanooga still strongly support Botch. I think 6 and 6 and beating Vandy every year is enough to keep Butch around for the duration of his contract. Losing to Vandy and not qualifying for bowl games is what got Dooley his pink slip.

Vol fans have an inferiority complex. They accept and expect to lose. It's probably because most are poorly educated, come from socioeconomic hardship, and are damaged by religion. Whatever the case may be, Jones is our guy. Neyland will be rocking Saturday. Change is not coming.

No disrespect but what a bunch of Crap! I am not sure what to say after this...???!!! I will hush, just had to make a simple reply to this.
 
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