The real Josh Dobbs?

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Biopsyman said:
He is not a QB.. But an athlete playing QB
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I will agree to some extent. He doesn't always have the accuracy like a typical QB should but when left to run his own game he is deadly passing it and running. I think Butch needs to let Dobbs do his thing like last year. When Dobbs is allowed to run more, he wins games and throws better as well.
 
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MOTOVOL said:
300 yards passing is not good? wow. Do you think Tennessee has ever had good Qb's ? Because he did something none have ever done here. Twice. I am not saying he is a great passer but I do not think he is as bad as some on here think. I think he is just as good as Tee was.
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Those numbers are (a) cherry-picked based on one game and (b) skewed by a short passing game.

Tennessee has had many really good QB's.
Holloway, Dewey Warren, Bobby Scott, Francis, Clausen, Ainge, Shuler, Manning, Kelly, Martin.
They could all throw the ball competently. We lose when we cannot throw the ball competently.

Dobbs has a long history of highly erratic passing performances. I am not silly enough to believe anything changed because we escaped Georgia on a great running performance by our QB. Due to sloppy passing, people were calling for Dormady until the final minutes of the second quarter. It was nice to see Dobbs finally connect on a few over the middle. I think he really needs to be coached to get his weight shifted forward when passing. This alone should make him more accurate.
 
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Is he line a prize fighter that needs to get hit first and get into the action? They really didn't try to run him in the Arkansas game and he looked the worst in that game.
 
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The game plan was solid. Those two freshmen were the story. They did really well..
Dobbs had a clean pocket to throw from, and ran when he needed too. Best game he's played i think.
 
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k-town_king said:
Dobbs is on pace to finish top 5 in passing here and is already the number 3 rusher among qbs. He doesn't throw every pass perfect but he is a dynamic qb who does great with time to throw.
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It's really not even a "time to throw" deal with Dobbs....IMHO, it's more a "what they let him throw" and will they let him run? There are some throws he just cannot make, while there are others that he throws well....call those, and then let him throw some 50/50 balls on the perimeter in man coverage...i.e., his back shoulder throw to PWill that went for 20+ yds late. Plays to his strengths, not his weaknesses...he has both.
 
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Shocker0 said:
Remember Butch spent a lot of time with the WR's this week and it seemed like they were able to get open MUCH more than any other point this season. I think that made a big difference, and is all the more reason why Azzani needs gone at the end of the year and a competent WR/QB coach can come to Knoxville.
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I think Azzani has his position due to recruiting. I'd like to see more progress out of our receivers but he has kept his place for a reason.
 
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GAVol said:
I think QBs mysteriously play better when they get good protection and a clean pocket.
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I have to agree. I have been very critical of Dobbs and actually thought maybe it was time to bring Dormady in. But I did see some great improvement when Dobbs got some good protection. He still has a little bit of accuracy issues to work on but he has certainly notregressed like I originally thought.
 
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He still has some serious accuracy issues. He made it a lot harder on himself than he needed too. Still has problems getting the ball out in front of the receivers and God forbid if they are wide open. Not bashing him at all, he just has issues. The receivers helped him a few times.
 
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I think Dobbs has to run to keep the passing game going well. And, he needs to be shown the confidence the staff has in him to be able to do that. Two frosh OL played great and gave him the needed time that he doesn't always have. I know many look at the longer pass gains we had, but those two throws in the EZ for TD's were sweet.
 
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fester said:
I'll just be very honest. Dobbs is a powerful dynamic runner and a lousy passer. Always has been. Nothing changed with Dobbs. After another miserable start, Dobbs connected on a few meaningful passes and loosened the defense enough to open up the run - and run he did.

Dobbs strength is as a runner, pure and simple. He has good vision, exploits a seam quickly is a horse in the open field.
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I thought like you until this past Saturday. After watching Dobbs throw with some good protection, he is far from lousy. Does he still need work? Yes. However keep in mind tnay his completion % is better than Tee Martins. And Tee had 10x the OL and WR talent that Dobbs has. Dobbs is a decent passer not great but far from lousy.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
I'll add that they seemed to either emphasize and/or playcall more vertical passes. That changed everything.
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actually no, not really. We ran a lot mroe offensive plays so yeah the total number was more than most other games, but the percentage of calls not so much. What changed was more of them were executed because he had time to throw. Guys you all need to learn context.

If I run 90 plays and call 20 mid/deep routes thats the same as if we ran 45 and called 10. The difference was the offense held the ball more and the defense got more stops. There are other factors also. In a lot of other games Field position played a role. Untl this game we did not sustain many long drives and scored/operated mostly off a short field. All of these things affect playcalling/results. Each game has to be looked at as a SAC (stand alone complex). Every team is gonna have different tendencies so saying ok we did this against Georgia this week does not mean we should do the same thing against Bama. We should however look very closely at the games Bama played against Arkansas and Georgia for some reference and tendencies.
 
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Remember that Debord was saying that Dobbs had to get his footwork down better. This point was made by the commentators of the game saturday, They showed a couple of examples of this at the beginning of the game where his footwork was bad and his throws were off. . Maybe Debord isn't as incompetent as some want to believe.
 
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Shocker0 said:
Remember Butch spent a lot of time with the WR's this week and it seemed like they were able to get open MUCH more than any other point this season. I think that made a big difference, and is all the more reason why Azzani needs gone at the end of the year and a competent WR/QB coach can come to Knoxville.
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Tee, you out there? If your wife won't let you come back, could you please ring up Trooper for us?
 
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Biopsyman said:
He is not a QB.. But an athlete playing QB
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GTHOH with that noise!
 
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well I think we have seen Dobbs at his best as a passer,he isn't going to be a very high accuracy passer percentage wise,he will be a good QB due to his ability to have a run/pass play set up for him,his ability to run,is what will make him a good to great QB and DeBord seems to understand that


I do think he was banged up against Arkansas ,he had a knee brace on and only ran what? 6 or 7 times and look at what he did against the Dawgs without a knee brace,why they want to hide that is beyond me
 
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MZTERRY said:
Please repostin as many threads as you wish, but help our QB win!

Go vote for Josh Dobbs

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done MZTERRY,how is Jasons rehab going and will he be able to make it back to the field this year ?

the team is missing him big time and if he can't make it back,will he get a medical red shirt for this year and be able to play next year ?

I do wish your son the best,he is a true VFL sorry for all the questions :)
 
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GAVol said:
I think QBs mysteriously play better when they get good protection and a clean pocket.
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There's a lot of truth in your statement but I think there's some truth to what the OP said also. I think Dobbs is a baller. Sometimes it's better to just turn him loose instead of over managing his game.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
There's a lot of truth in your statement but I think there's some truth to what the OP said also. I think Dobbs is a baller. Sometimes it's better to just turn him loose instead of over managing his game.
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I agree. Kind of ironic because we are stuffed with how he is "so brilliant" all the time. Im guessing most of us could pass aerospace engineering at UT (Im sure many of our majors were just as difficult) but I'd be shocked if any of us could, in our lives, played a game like josh did saturday. the kid is an athlete, lets embrace it and not try to make him a heady QB who sits in the pocket. he is powerful AND elusive, and in my opinion, the more bootleg plays we call and throws/runs upfield he makes while scrambling the more the opposing DC will be pissed he is in the college ranks. College football is about big plays and josh dobbs can make them with his feet and arm
 
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EZE said:
This.
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That's why I have not said a word this week. We actually went into a pass pro offense and formed a pocket. My opinion doesn't matter but I am very pleased with what cbj did this week, and honestly that was win or lose. He proved this week that he can adapt his scheme and now the sky is the limit for this offense. I will not 'nega' again this year.
 
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