The Radical Islamic Terrorism Catch-All Thread

Only if it’s a white, straight, male, American suspect.

In the Vegas thread, it started at 7:17 am. An hour and 45 minutes later SCV checked in as okay, and asked everyone to stop politicizing the event. For the most part, everyone agreed to wait 24 hours before turning it into a gun control debate. Golf posted this story at 4:43 yesterday, I've yet to see anyone request the same respect for the victims in NYC. Just people gleefully posting that NYC got another dose of diversity, or asking where the pro Muslim crowd are.

So we're just mad, right? We don't actually have any solutions to rub in anyone's face?

Yes, that's precisely it. 58 people were killed in the Las Vegas shootings, but liberals just don't know anything about guns, let's not politicize this event. 8 People were killed by a Muslim immigrant yesterday. It doesn't matter how many good people entered through the lottery system, one was radicalized after arriving, something must be done now. People different from us are evil...all of them obviously. Walls! Bans! For everyone delightfully pointing to this as a reason to ban all Muslims, restrict them from getting drivers licenses, whatever else that's been posted. Do you know any actual Muslim's, personally? The one's I know are really great people who are appalled by things like this, and ISIS. The exact same way every sane person was appalled by the actions of a nut-job white guy that caused the largest shooting massacre in modern American history in Vegas, or by the guy who shot up a f'ing classroom of small children, for God's sake. But there's not a whole thread, almost 100 pages long of people talking about how bad white people are because we have bad apples too. We ALL have bad apples, but we all are overwhelmingly good overall, too.

It's astounding to watch people react differently to tragedy based on who it was committed by.
 
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So we're just mad, right? We don't actually have any solutions to rub in anyone's face?

I don't want to see any of this but here are some things that might have done something.

no immigration what so ever.

remove the Reagan era loophole

back ground check on truck rentals

ban trucks in NYC

allow stereotyping when doing these checks or looking at people. yes if they wave around a Nazi or confederate flag in every photo they deserve another, or just deeper, look.
 
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In the Vegas thread, it started at 7:17 am. An hour and 45 minutes later SCV checked in as okay, and asked everyone to stop politicizing the event. For the most part, everyone agreed to wait 24 hours before turning it into a gun control debate. Golf posted this story at 4:43 yesterday, I've yet to see anyone request the same respect for the victims in NYC. Just people gleefully posting that NYC got another dose of diversity, or asking where the pro Muslim crowd are.



Yes, that's precisely it. 58 people were killed in the Las Vegas shootings, but liberals just don't know anything about guns, let's not politicize this event. 8 People were killed by a Muslim immigrant yesterday. It doesn't matter how many good people entered through the lottery system, one was radicalized after arriving, something must be done now. People different from us are evil...all of them obviously. Walls! Bans! For everyone delightfully pointing to this as a reason to ban all Muslims, restrict them from getting drivers licenses, whatever else that's been posted. Do you know any actual Muslim's, personally? The one's I know are really great people who are appalled by things like this, and ISIS. The exact same way every sane person was appalled by the actions of a nut-job white guy that caused the largest shooting massacre in modern American history in Vegas, or by the guy who shot up a f'ing classroom of small children, for God's sake. But there's not a whole thread, almost 100 pages long of people talking about how bad white people are because we have bad apples too. We ALL have bad apples, but we all are overwhelmingly good overall, too.

It's astounding to watch people react differently to tragedy based on who it was committed by.

If I could be so bold I think at least some of it is the difference between the animate and inanimate. Guns (or any "weapon" for that matter) are wholly inanimate. In fact anything used as a weapon, like a vehicle, are inanimate. The guns/knives/baseball bats/etc that kill have no volition whatsoever. People are animate. Belief systems are acted out by people. We can quibble about what the difference means but yes...there is a difference.
 
I don't want to see any of this but here are some things that might have done something.

no immigration what so ever.

remove the Reagan era loophole

back ground check on truck rentals

ban trucks in NYC

allow stereotyping when doing these checks or looking at people. yes if they wave around a Nazi or confederate flag in every photo they deserve another, or just deeper, look.

What is the point in naming bad solutions?
 
So we're just mad, right? We don't actually have any solutions to rub in anyone's face?
Mad? Not really. More like pragmatic. Radical islam hates freedom. Nothing is going to change that. Occasionally some whacko is going to go on a shooting rampage. Nothing is going to change that.

We do not as a people have the will to do what would have to be done in order to combat either of those things.

So let's talk about stupid **** like kneeling in the NFL and what that accomplishes.
 
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In the Vegas thread, it started at 7:17 am. An hour and 45 minutes later SCV checked in as okay, and asked everyone to stop politicizing the event. For the most part, everyone agreed to wait 24 hours before turning it into a gun control debate. Golf posted this story at 4:43 yesterday, I've yet to see anyone request the same respect for the victims in NYC. Just people gleefully posting that NYC got another dose of diversity, or asking where the pro Muslim crowd are.



Yes, that's precisely it. 58 people were killed in the Las Vegas shootings, but liberals just don't know anything about guns, let's not politicize this event. 8 People were killed by a Muslim immigrant yesterday. It doesn't matter how many good people entered through the lottery system, one was radicalized after arriving, something must be done now. People different from us are evil...all of them obviously. Walls! Bans! For everyone delightfully pointing to this as a reason to ban all Muslims, restrict them from getting drivers licenses, whatever else that's been posted. Do you know any actual Muslim's, personally? The one's I know are really great people who are appalled by things like this, and ISIS. The exact same way every sane person was appalled by the actions of a nut-job white guy that caused the largest shooting massacre in modern American history in Vegas, or by the guy who shot up a f'ing classroom of small children, for God's sake. But there's not a whole thread, almost 100 pages long of people talking about how bad white people are because we have bad apples too. We ALL have bad apples, but we all are overwhelmingly good overall, too.

It's astounding to watch people react differently to tragedy based on who it was committed by.
the drivers' license idea was posted without blue font, because I thought none would be needed. Obviously I was wrong
 
Ignore until another large scale attack like 9/11. Then point fingers. Repeat.
This seems an appropriate place to post this speech again, because what you just said is exactly right.

From Captain Dan Ouimette, NAS Pensacola

America WAKE UP!

That’s what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been “Get Out of Bed!” In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world’s most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America’s inability to deal with terrorism. America’s military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war … the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.

The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn’t know. But if you’ve read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don’t have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America has to “Get out of Bed” and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor “that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant.”

Thank you very much.

Dan Ouimette
 
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If you're looking for hiphoprisy, you need only look at this Administration. A month ago, when the shooting occurred in Vegas, it was too soon to talk about policy changes. It was disrespectful to bring it up. But then this happens, and less than a half a day later, Trump is at it, touting more restrictions on immigration, using it for his own political purposes. This Administration is absolutely disgusting.

There is a huge difference between both scenarios..... the guy in Vegas was a random whack job no matter the color of his skin..... the guy in NYC has been indoctrinated through propaganda to kill people and it is occurring all over the world.... the world has to stand against it or allow it to keep happening.
 
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What is the point in naming bad solutions?

you asked for solutions. not good solutions. its the same thing with the gun "solutions" none of the initial ideas were any good. but it took some back and forth from GV and CWV to get to some good suggestions. nothing was agreed upon but we ended better than we started, sans the obvious people who stood in their corner and yelled.
 
This seems an appropriate place to post this speech again, because what you just said is exactly right.

From Captain Dan Ouimette, NAS Pensacola

America WAKE UP!

That’s what we think we heard on the 11th of September 2001 and maybe it was, but I think it should have been “Get Out of Bed!” In fact, I think the alarm clock has been buzzing since 1979 and we have continued to hit the snooze button and roll over for a few more minutes of peaceful sleep since then.

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world’s most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years.

America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America’s inability to deal with terrorism. America’s military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.

Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued.

In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and America hit the Snooze Button once more. Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed. America mourns her dead and hit the Snooze Button once more. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait, and America continues her slumber. The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut and America slept.

Soon the terrorism spreads to Europe. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid. Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked. Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed. The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war … the Wake Up alarm is louder and louder.

The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war? The Snooze alarm is depressed again.

Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women. A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.

The terrorists are getting braver and smarter as they see that America does not respond decisively. They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision, they kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.

The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.

And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

In the news lately we have seen lots of finger pointing from every high official in government over what they knew and what they didn’t know. But if you’ve read the papers and paid a little attention I think you can see exactly what they knew. You don’t have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979. The President is right on when he says we are engaged in a war. I think we have been in a war for the past 23 years and it will continue until we as a people decide enough is enough.

America has to “Get out of Bed” and act decisively now. America has changed forever. We have to be ready to pay the price and make the sacrifice to ensure our way of life continues. We cannot afford to hit the Snooze Button again and roll over and go back to sleep. We have to make the terrorists know that in the words of Admiral Yamamoto after the attack on Pearl Harbor “that all they have done is to awaken a sleeping giant.”

Thank you very much.

Dan Ouimette

Dan's letter is ridiculous. He is advocating war. Going to war against an ideology is futile and expensive. The only proven way to supplant and ideology is a slow, methodical change in the culture of the ideology.
 
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Maybe he's not completely senile.
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Dan's letter is ridiculous. He is advocating war. Going to war against an ideology is futile and expensive. The only proven way to supplant and ideology is a slow, methodical change in the culture of the ideology.
I don't get that from it. What I get is that **** happens. Bad ****. And we do nothing about it. Just like the poster I responded to said.

Of course the REAL question is what CAN you do about it?
 
I don't get that from it. What I get is that **** happens. Bad ****. And we do nothing about it. Just like the poster I responded to said.

Of course the REAL question is what CAN you do about it?

That is the most pertinent question. A free society with autonomous people who have abundant access to a multitude of deadly items is impossible to police. Absolute security is not possible no matter how much the politicians promise it.
 
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Dan's letter is ridiculous. He is advocating war. Going to war against an ideology is futile and expensive. The only proven way to supplant and ideology is a slow, methodical change in the culture of the ideology.

So we need one of their prophet's to show back up and change their minds about killing all infidels.
 
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There is not a lot that we or any nation can do to prevent random acts of violence like this. Call it terrorism--and it was--but it was a random act of violence by a twisted man. We forget that there are MANY random acts of violence--random gun killings, often involving multiple victims--every day. But when it is an Arab or Muslim, everybody, especially conservatives, get sweaty with outrage. This guy had been in America for nearly eight years; he had a green card. It's not like he'd been training at a terrorist camp in the mountains somewhere and then snuck into the country.

A lot of these cases seem to involve people who never quite assimilate, or they have job or financial or marital issues, they get pissed and "self-radicalize," and then commit their acts of violence. Hell, what if this guy had acquired a few assault rifles and walked into a place or area full of people and started firing?

There are between 2 and 4 million Arab-American citizens in this country. Beyond that, we can't stop Arabs and Muslims from coming--though of course now they are all getting serious vetting. But as noted, almost all these recent acts of violence by Arabs/Muslims were by people who'd been in America for years--they'd been vetted years ago, when they first came. In the end, there isn't much to be done to stop someone who is headed for a personal crackup, unless he starts signaling--through phone calls or website visits, etc.--that he's going rad.
 
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There is not a lot that we or any nation can do to prevent random acts of violence like this. Call it terrorism--and it was--but it was a random act of violence by a twisted man. We forget that there are MANY random acts of violence--random gun killings, often involving multiple victims--every day. But when it is an Arab or Muslim, everybody, especially conservatives, get sweaty with outrage. This guy had been in America for nearly eight years; he had a green card. It's not like he'd been training at a terrorist camp in the mountains somewhere and then snuck into the country.

A lot of these cases seem to involve people who never quite assimilate, or they have job or financial or marital issues, they get pissed and "self-radicalize," and then commit their acts of violence. Hell, what if this guy had acquired a few assault rifles and walked into a place or area full of people and started firing?

There are between 2 and 4 million Arab-American citizens in this country. Beyond that, we can't stop Arabs and Muslims from coming--though of course now they are all getting serious vetting. But as noted, almost all these recent acts of violence by Arabs/Muslims were by people who'd been in America for years--they'd been vetted years ago, when they first came. In the end, there isn't much to be done to stop someone who is headed for a personal crackup, unless he starts signaling--through phone calls or website visits, etc.--that he's going rad.

Interesting take.

When it’s a non white doing the killing, it’s unavoidable.

When it’s a white, it’s racism and southern stupidity and we need to ban guns.
 
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Second Person of interest wanted for questioning in NYC attack

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