The QB Debate - Charlotte edition (merged)

#326
#326
At the end of the day, a quarterback has to lead his team on the field. They have to find a way to win (even when it might be ugly) and get their teammates to dig deep...to fight with them by taking advantage of opportunities to score. Sometimes really good players aren't good leaders no matter how tough they may be.

Unfortunately, I don't think our QB is able to do this. And as fans we are just stuck with this situation until he either takes another stupid hit that causes a serious injury taking him out of the game OR until someone clearly outplays him in practice. Because clearly in game situations THIS SEASON, with THIS TEAM, one of our QB's looks like he may be more comfortable doing those things above & being able to keep a game alive.
 
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Volhoops said:
One and a half seasons as UT starter and one count them one SEC win. Hey one is the number of TDs he threw for against Charolette too. Coincidence ? Nah he is just that mediocre of a QB.
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We have seen enough to realize what kind of QB he is....

And you are right... mediocre.

But completing 12 of 15 passes for 130 yards is a great percentage
 
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#328
k-town_king said:
Why not post the rest of the non modern era qb stats you posted?

His 49.7% passing with 1200 yards 8tds and 11ints in 12 games would say no.

KC isn't a starter. He has thrown a couple passes vs backups. We might as well include all the people who threw the ball on trick plays if you want to include backups with a couple passes. Lmao.

The numbers don't lie. To this point JG has been one of UTs most efficient and accurate quarterbacks ever.
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You're picking out stats that make JG look amazing. I picked a stat that makes Wallace look amazing. I can do it too.
 
#329
#329
Weezer said:
So you're in the corner that either way he's tanking games. That's about the most idiotic thing I've ever read on VN, and I hang out in the Politics forum. Style of play is dictated by our porous OL. If they could block worth a piss, we'd actually have the opportunity to pass downfield more. Since they can't, JG gets pressured and hit on almost every passing play.
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No sir. It's your corner. Point being....if JG is so good, if he is an all-time Vol great, (a concept that is strongly posited in this thread and forum) then obviously Pruitt is trying to fail, by forcing our latest manning into a dink and dunk high percentage low yardage gameplan. The kind of gameplan that makes the stats of a jeff Garcia or jarret guarantano look better than he his. I believe that other JG (garcia) even made a pro bowl with his limitations.

Isn't it ironic that pro-guarantano posters were deriding Chryst during the preseason as "just a dink and dunk guy"? Then when their hero, (that they live through, in a rabid and vicarious way) executes exactly that form of play....they shout from the rooftops the valor and perfection of his dinkiness and dunkiness.

Bizarre but expected. As far as Helton and Pruitt go, I think they understand JG's limitations, and gameplan accordingly. And it's made a limited quarterback look far better than he actually is.

I believe if they "cut him loose" he would just hang himself. So good job by our coaches, and good job by guarantano, with the dinking and dunking. When that's all you can do...well that's all you can do.

And thank God for our receiving corps(and Chandler receiving from the backfield )...the one bright spot of this dreadful offense.

Have fun beating that paddleball around.
 
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DaUndergroundMan said:
No sir. It's your corner. Point being....if JG is so good, if he is an all-time Vol great, (a concept that is strongly posited in this thread and forum) then obviously Pruitt is trying to fail, by forcing our latest manning into a dink and dunk high percentage low yardage gameplan. The kind of gameplan that makes the stats of a jeff Garcia or jarret guarantano look better than he his. I believe that other JG (garcia) even made a pro bowl with his limitations.

Isn't it ironic that pro-guarantano posters were deriding Chryst during the preseason as "just a dink and dunk guy"? Then when their hero, (that they live through, in a rabid and vicarious way) executes exactly that form of play....they shout from the rooftops the valor and perfection of his dinkiness and dunkiness.

Bizarre but expected. As far as Helton and Pruitt go, I think they understand JG's limitations, and gameplan accordingly. And it's made a limited quarterback look far better than he actually is.

I believe if they "cut him loose" he would just hang himself. So good job by our coaches, and good job by guarantano, with the dinking and dunking. When that's all you can do...well that's all you can do.

And thank God for our receiving corps(and Chandler receiving from the backfield )...the one bright spot of this dreadful offense.

Have fun beating that paddleball around.
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LOL. They're not game planning to JG's limitations. They're game planning around our weak OL. I think those with common sense can easily see that. But if you want to keep hating on JG, go ahead. I'm tired of arguing with people who cannot recognize what our truest weakness is. Not saying JG is an all time great, but he's not the problem. The problem is an OL that cannot sustain a running game, and allows it's QB to be hit on almost every passing play.
 
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peaygolf said:
You're picking out stats that make JG look amazing. I picked a stat that makes Wallace look amazing. I can do it too.
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I'm not "picking stats" . All the stats for JG are good compared to other UT Qbs historically. Not just one stat.

The guy you named had one one good category on an extremely limited amount of attempts. He was terrible in all the roher stats though.

JG stats are good all around. You aren't making a good argument, just supporting mine.
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No sir. It's your corner. Point being....if JG is so good, if he is an all-time Vol great, (a concept that is strongly posited in this thread and forum) then obviously Pruitt is trying to fail, by forcing our latest manning into a dink and dunk high percentage low yardage gameplan. The kind of gameplan that makes the stats of a jeff Garcia or jarret guarantano look better than he his. I believe that other JG (garcia) even made a pro bowl with his limitations.

Isn't it ironic that pro-guarantano posters were deriding Chryst during the preseason as "just a dink and dunk guy"? Then when their hero, (that they live through, in a rabid and vicarious way) executes exactly that form of play....they shout from the rooftops the valor and perfection of his dinkiness and dunkiness.

Bizarre but expected. As far as Helton and Pruitt go, I think they understand JG's limitations, and gameplan accordingly. And it's made a limited quarterback look far better than he actually is.

I believe if they "cut him loose" he would just hang himself. So good job by our coaches, and good job by guarantano, with the dinking and dunking. When that's all you can do...well that's all you can do.

And thank God for our receiving corps(and Chandler receiving from the backfield )...the one bright spot of this dreadful offense.

Have fun beating that paddleball around.
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He isn't dinking and dunking.

If you think he is then every single UT qb ever is a dink and dunker. He is having one of the top ypa seasons and is top 8 for his career.

Peyton had only one year with a higher ypa than JG has this year. I guess he was the king of dink and dunk.

Sorry the stats and play don't fit you narrative. The fact is he is literally our most accurate qb ever. He has one of the highest qb ratings and ypa.

Same rating, higher ypa, higher completion percentage than Casey Clausen.
 
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k-town_king said:
I'm not "picking stats" . All the stats for JG are good compared to other UT Qbs historically. Not just one stat.

The guy you named had one one good category on an extremely limited amount of attempts. He was terrible in all the roher stats though.

JG stats are good all around. You aren't making a good argument, just supporting mine.



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I was only referring to ypa. with Wallace....and he avgd. over 18 yrds per completion
I do agree with you on the fact that JG is bad or the problem.
 
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#333
peaygolf said:
I was only referring to ypa. with Wallace....and he avgd. over 18 yrds per completion
I do agree with you on the fact that JG is bad or the problem.
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My point with the whole ypa was debunking the he "only throws short" argument that started after the SC game.

They tried to use that to invalidate his other positive stats like completion percentage and rating.

He is good in many areas and the stats don't match the anti JG crowd evaluations
 
#335
#335
DaUndergroundMan said:
No sir. It's your corner. Point being....if JG is so good, if he is an all-time Vol great, (a concept that is strongly posited in this thread and forum) then obviously Pruitt is trying to fail, by forcing our latest manning into a dink and dunk high percentage low yardage gameplan. The kind of gameplan that makes the stats of a jeff Garcia or jarret guarantano look better than he his. I believe that other JG (garcia) even made a pro bowl with his limitations.

Isn't it ironic that pro-guarantano posters were deriding Chryst during the preseason as "just a dink and dunk guy"? Then when their hero, (that they live through, in a rabid and vicarious way) executes exactly that form of play....they shout from the rooftops the valor and perfection of his dinkiness and dunkiness.

Bizarre but expected. As far as Helton and Pruitt go, I think they understand JG's limitations, and gameplan accordingly. And it's made a limited quarterback look far better than he actually is.

I believe if they "cut him loose" he would just hang himself. So good job by our coaches, and good job by guarantano, with the dinking and dunking. When that's all you can do...well that's all you can do.

And thank God for our receiving corps(and Chandler receiving from the backfield )...the one bright spot of this dreadful offense.

Have fun beating that paddleball around.
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The short game is the answer to an OL that can't open a running lane. So, the staff gets the ball out quick to playmakers in space. Nothing to do with a QBs limitations. Same way a team game plans a team with a strong rush. Hit them with screens and get to the edge.
 
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#337
#337
Film study: How Jarrett Guarantano missed out on a standout day for UT Vols vs. Charlotte


Jarrett Guarantano could have improved on a decent day
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Jarrett Guarantano finished 16-of-21 passing for 172 yards with a touchdown. That included a beautiful 33-yard completion to tight end Dominick Wood-Anderson on a wheel route and a perfectly placed back-shoulder throw to receiver Josh Palmer for a 16-yard touchdown.

Guarantano’s decent day could have been better, though.
He missed Wood-Anderson open 15 yards downfield during the third quarter and instead swung a pass to Carlin Fils-aime that went for no gain.

In the first quarter, he had Marquez Callaway open on a curl route near the first-down marker but tried to thread the needle to Wood-Anderson. The pass was broken up. Later, he threw high and behind an open Tim Jordan on a short square-in. Jordan later dropped a pass in the flat.
It wasn’t difficult to see how Guarantano could have completed 19 or 20 passes and topped 200 yards.
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If JG is missing open receivers Saturday I would put KC in. We have got to win 2 out of the next 3.
 
#338
#338
GBOx2 said:
At the end of the day, a quarterback has to lead his team on the field. They have to find a way to win (even when it might be ugly) and get their teammates to dig deep...to fight with them by taking advantage of opportunities to score. Sometimes really good players aren't good leaders no matter how tough they may be.

Unfortunately, I don't think our QB is able to do this. And as fans we are just stuck with this situation until he either takes another stupid hit that causes a serious injury taking him out of the game OR until someone clearly outplays him in practice. Because clearly in game situations THIS SEASON, with THIS TEAM, one of our QB's looks like he may be more comfortable doing those things above & being able to keep a game alive.
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Really? SMH
 
#339
#339
DaUndergroundMan said:
No sir. It's your corner. Point being....if JG is so good, if he is an all-time Vol great, (a concept that is strongly posited in this thread and forum) then obviously Pruitt is trying to fail, by forcing our latest manning into a dink and dunk high percentage low yardage gameplan. The kind of gameplan that makes the stats of a jeff Garcia or jarret guarantano look better than he his. I believe that other JG (garcia) even made a pro bowl with his limitations.

Isn't it ironic that pro-guarantano posters were deriding Chryst during the preseason as "just a dink and dunk guy"? Then when their hero, (that they live through, in a rabid and vicarious way) executes exactly that form of play....they shout from the rooftops the valor and perfection of his dinkiness and dunkiness.

Bizarre but expected. As far as Helton and Pruitt go, I think they understand JG's limitations, and gameplan accordingly. And it's made a limited quarterback look far better than he actually is.

I believe if they "cut him loose" he would just hang himself. So good job by our coaches, and good job by guarantano, with the dinking and dunking. When that's all you can do...well that's all you can do.

And thank God for our receiving corps(and Chandler receiving from the backfield )...the one bright spot of this dreadful offense.

Have fun beating that paddleball around.
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What Planet are you from? Anyone with any knowledge knows JG isn't a dink a dunk guy. He throws down the field on DIMES. DIMES. The kid has all the tools except for 2 things. Doesn't move outside the pocket and holds the ball longer than he should. IMHO he still has faith in his line for holding the ball and he doesn't just zero in on one receiver, he reads the entire field. JG is special and for whatever agenda you have against the kid is just that an agenda. Grow up, if you're in the KC should start camp so be it, but the best QB won the race and JG will be the QB at UT till he leaves. Get use to it!!!!!!I Would love to know your level of football played. I'm thinking pee wee and a legend in your own mind, I myself played college ball and would have loved to have had a QB with JG's mentality on our team.

This kid is a winner and if you wanna critique his behavior at the GT game last year, you're being childish. The kid was promised playing time, even CBJ said he would play. Did he handle it well? No, but dont blame the kid for having emotions. We all do and we all handle them different. But your take on this kid is far fetched plain and simple. JG gives us the absolute best chance to win with him in the game. Like it or not KC won't see the field unless it's a blowout or JG is hurt. Either get on board or root for a winner like bama! I've been a UT fan all my life and will be until I die but I'll be danged if I'm going to stand by and listen or read a fan tearing down a VFL like JG. Grow up!
 
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#340
#340
You guys kill me. It's so easy to sit in your recliners and watch the game and tear down players. I'd love to know how many D1 football players are making their thoughts known on this board. My guess is less than 1%. Shut up about slamming players that are doing something you could only dream of doing. Try going to class, lifting weights, practice and film study and going to bed before 10. I've been there, done that and it racks your brain. My son does it too, Soph year in college and his question is dad how did you handle it, and my response was you just do what you can do. Instead of belittling these splendid young men you applaud them. Is that too much to ask?
 
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#341
UTNoFear said:
You guys kill me. It's so easy to sit in your recliners and watch the game and tear down players. I'd love to know how many D1 football players are making their thoughts known on this board. My guess is less than 1%. Shut up about slamming players that are doing something you could only dream of doing. Try going to class, lifting weights, practice and film study and going to bed before 10. I've been there, done that and it racks your brain. My son does it too, Soph year in college and his question is dad how did you handle it, and my response was you just do what you can do. Instead of belittling these splendid young men you applaud them. Is that too much to ask?
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Easy now. If it wasn’t for passionate criticizing fans football wouldn’t be a profit nor popular.
 
#344
#344
GBOx2 said:
At the end of the day, a quarterback has to lead his team on the field. They have to find a way to win (even when it might be ugly) and get their teammates to dig deep...to fight with them by taking advantage of opportunities to score. Sometimes really good players aren't good leaders no matter how tough they may be.

Unfortunately, I don't think our QB is able to do this. And as fans we are just stuck with this situation until he either takes another stupid hit that causes a serious injury taking him out of the game OR until someone clearly outplays him in practice. Because clearly in game situations THIS SEASON, with THIS TEAM, one of our QB's looks like he may be more comfortable doing those things above & being able to keep a game alive.
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This is the game where KC should have gotten a series.
 
#345
#345
21VOL said:
I think Chryst should of been giving a chance after the bama game.
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Why for leading two touchdown drives when the game was over and Bama called off the dogs? These are the same people screaming that Dormady should have gotten to play more when Dobbs was here! This is ridiculous, JG is our QB and "the people in the know"(coaches) have already made that clear with the lack of playing time for KC. He is a backup who only transferred here because he lost his job to a freshman, if he was that good of a QB he would still be at Stanford! People are so dumb!
 
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#346
johnrlansford said:
Why for leading two touchdown drives when the game was over and Bama called off the dogs? These are the same people screaming that Dormady should have gotten to play more when Dobbs was here! This is ridiculous, JG is our QB and "the people in the know"(coaches) have already made that clear with the lack of playing time for KC. He is a backup who only transferred here because he lost his job to a freshman, if he was that good of a QB he would still be at Stanford! People are so dumb!
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You are right, people are dumb. They keep wanting to lean on JG when he has absolutely shown he cannot get the job done. They will pull anybody else for poor play but JG is treated with kid gloves. He cannot and will not get it done and all the facts are there. We have a season and a half resume on him and the most important stat of wins is lower than I might guess any other QB in the SEC.
 
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#348
Volhoops said:
You are right, people are dumb. They keep wanting to lean on JG when he has absolutely shown he cannot get the job done. They will pull anybody else for poor play but JG is treated with kid gloves. He cannot and will not get it done and all the facts are there. We have a season and a half resume on him and the most important stat of wins is lower than I might guess any other QB in the SEC.
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No one is treating JG with kid gloves, but he isn't the biggest problem on this team by any stretch! The OL is maybe the worst ever at UT. WE have Zero Run game and yet JG is still passing consistently, that is a major accomplishment in itself.

Yeams know we can run ball yet JG completes a very high percentage of his passes!

What facts are in place that say he can't be successful at UT?
He is a accurate passer!
He has a strong arm and can throw it deep!
He is a Natural Leader!
The Coaching staff disagrees with you!

No QB in the SEC could win consistently behind this OL, Not even Tua from Alabama! that is a fact!
 
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