The program needs rebuilding, but how?

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KureVol

KureVol

Are you serious Clark?
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Here it is Florida week and we are a heavy underdog to a team that should (note should) beat us. As a Vol fan I am growing tired of the same script. Lose to Florida and sit back, take care of business, and hope Florida loses twice. We are in this situation more times than not. We need to reinvent Tennessee football. If Tennessee football was a stock it would be a sell. Bruce Pearl made Tennesse basketball a national power in two years. He did that by reimagining the program. As long as we have Gomer Pylesque coaches then we will be relegated to middle of the pack teams.
 
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JZVOL said:
:whistling: This is brand new information.
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Just trying to keep the topic fresh. We don't just need a coaching change. We need a culture change. We need to do to Tennessee football what Steve Spurrier did to Florida football. He redefined what it was to be a Florida Gator. Florida's recent success and top recruiting classes can be directly attributed to Spurrier. We do not have that at Tennessee. We have lost the swagger. We never run up the score on anyone anymore. We have become soft and that is because of leadership. Teams need to fear getting 50 hung on them when they play us just like they did when Spurrier coached at Florida. We need to ditch the pro-style offense and go to the spread. With our athletes, we could beat anyone.
 
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I think we need a change at the top - a new athletic director. We need an AD whose #1 priority related to the foorball program is winning the SEC on a regular basis, not revenue and the bottom line (i.e. wringing every dollar out of the fanbase while not being similarly results oriented on the field), or being an apologist, or appeasing long-tenured coaches.

Once an objective AD is in place and we have true governance over our football program and a focus on winning championships, I suspect we'll get a head coach in here who is a tactician, who is energetic, and who will demand and accept nothing less than 110% on the field. Someone who will overachieve rather than underachieve.

And soon after that, we'll have a full house for opening day again, and maybe even playing championship caliber football.
 
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were not as far off as you think. the one thing i have noticed this year is our younger guys are really good athletes and we have a bunch of potentially dominant players spread out over a bunch of positions. the future looks better than it did on signing day when many were dissapointed with the new guys. believe it or not, we are on an upward climb since the end of the 2005 season. well be back at the rocky top soon enough
 
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General Jack said:
I think we need a change at the top - a new athletic director. We need an AD whose #1 priority related to the foorball program is winning the SEC on a regular basis, not revenue and the bottom line (i.e. wringing every dollar out of the fanbase while not being similarly results oriented on the field), or being an apologist, or appeasing long-tenured coaches.

Once an objective AD is in place and we have true governance over our football program and a focus on winning championships, I suspect we'll get a head coach in here who is a tactician, who is energetic, and who will demand and accept nothing less than 110% on the field. Someone who will overachieve rather than underachieve.

And soon after that, we'll have a full house for opening day again, and maybe even playing championship caliber football.
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so you want Dickey back? :p
 
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Maybe when Peyton Manning retires from the Colts and decides to get into coaching we will have a chance at a Spurrier-like rennaissance at UT.

Seriously, there is a problem with your first post. We no longer lose to Florida and go on to "take care of business." There are normally multiple losses after that and the wins are typically by a lucky whisker (see USC, UK and Vandy last year). This program has been mediocre for years and is now teetering on the bring of really stinking it up.

The problem is that the people capable of making a change are still drinking from Coach Kool-Ade.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
were not as far off as you think. the one thing i have noticed this year is our younger guys are really good athletes and we have a bunch of potentially dominant players spread out over a bunch of positions. the future looks better than it did on signing day when many were dissapointed with the new guys. believe it or not, we are on an upward climb since the end of the 2005 season. well be back at the rocky top soon enough
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I don't know about that. Getting outscored 100-37 by your 2 biggest rivals and losing to that UCLA outfit doesn't speak highly to an upward climb, even when compared to 2005.

We have had a couple of good wins over the past 2 years, but I'm not sure we are leaps and bounds better. 2005 was kind of the perfect storm, all the breaks went against us. Last year, we caught some breaks... but we were also a few plays away from being a .500 team, so I'm not really sure just how much better we are than 2005. Probably somewhat, but not leaps and bounds.

I guess my point is that we are not a championship caliber football team, we are very inconsistent.
 
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General Jack said:
No, no more gators running the show in Knoxville! But how about a combo of Dickey's devotion to football, and hambone's lucky charms related to basketball?
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take it in a heartbeat but it seems they are a rare commodity. Unfortunately the most successful at it is also a gator
 
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General Jack said:
I don't know about that. Getting outscored 100-37 by your 2 biggest rivals and losing to that UCLA outfit doesn't speak highly to an upward climb, even when compared to 2005.

We have had a couple of good wins over the past 2 years, but I'm not sure we are leaps and bounds better. 2005 was kind of the perfect storm, all the breaks went against us. Last year, we caught some breaks... but we were also a few plays away from being a .500 team, so I'm not really sure just how much better we are than 2005. Probably somewhat, but not leaps and bounds.

I guess my point is that we are not a championship caliber football team, we are very inconsistent.
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lets see... 5-7,9-4, 10-4 (sec champ. game, bowl win) yes that is an upswing and with the young talent we have, we should be expecting progress and yes we are moving in the right direction. Granted, maybe not as fast as we all would like, but its coming.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
lets see... 5-7,9-4, 10-4 (sec champ. game, bowl win) yes that is an upswing and with the young talent we have, we should be expecting progress and yes we are moving in the right direction. Granted, maybe not as fast as we all would like, but its coming.
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If you only look at records... I look beyond that. Records are impacted by who you play, the strength of schedule; they don't always indicate team strength. For example, Hawaii finished 12-1 last year, does that mean they were better than 12-2 national champion LSU?

What I see when I look at our program is a team that is not dominant on the lines, a key ingredient of championship caliber football teams, and is regularly outcoached by opponents with lesser talent.

We might be slightly better than 2005, but we are still a middle level SEC team, no a championship caliber team.

I don't see us moving in the right direction. Laying an egg on national TV against a woefully undermanned opponent, when you've had 8 months to prepare... thats not progress. In my book, its actually regression.
 
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General Jack said:
If you only look at records... I look beyond that. Records are impacted by who you play, the strength of schedule; they don't always indicate team strength. For example, Hawaii finished 12-1 last year, does that mean they were better than 12-2 national champion LSU?

What I see when I look at our program is a team that is not dominant on the lines, a key ingredient of championship caliber football teams, and is regularly outcoached by opponents with lesser talent.

We might be slightly better than 2005, but we are still a middle level SEC team, no a championship caliber team.

I don't see us moving in the right direction. Laying an egg on national TV against a woefully undermanned opponent, when you've had 8 months to prepare... thats not progress. In my book, its actually regression.
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laying an egg is tUOS vs 'SC
 
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KureVol, I long for the days when people had a healthy respect for the boys with a 'T' on their helmet. Nobody fears us anymore...
 
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If we had Ron English on the sidelines, our Defense would be much better than it is now. That's just my opinion though.
 
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KureVol said:
Just trying to keep the topic fresh. We don't just need a coaching change. We need a culture change. We need to do to Tennessee football what Steve Spurrier did to Florida football. He redefined what it was to be a Florida Gator. Florida's recent success and top recruiting classes can be directly attributed to Spurrier.
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This is a joke, right? Spurrier was successful because he was recruiting players in Florida and had a fresh plan. How's it going in Cock Land? He's still the same guy. If Stan Drayton and every other recruiter can dominate recruiting in Florida, Spurrier will be a name that will beg the question "Steve who?"
 
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I see some new energy and before the season we were all excited about the clawfense, and love the recruits that Latrell Scott has gotten. I think Stan Drayton is going to be a big addition with the RBs and the recruiting in FL......so we have this offensive infusion and what is missing, hmm......umm let me think about this

still confused here, (think Ken Norton Jr., maybe Luke Fickell or even Brad Lambert)
 
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