The Problems with Trans-ideology

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NashVol11 said:
No, Lia Thomas definitely "dominated" swimming by losing all but one race and getting destroyed by Katie Ledecky in the one
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Did she win a D1 championship or not? If she did, that’s insanely impressive. Especially given how bad “he” was and that “he” wasn’t anywhere near championship level.
 
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Vol8188 said:
World records and D1 championships are not enough
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I remember in this very thread when we got our first examples of transgender females running Girls HS Track.

“Huff-Get back to me when they win”
(they won)

“Get back to me when they win something big”
(D1 title)

“Nah, get back to me when they’ve won Olympic Gold”
 
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85SugarVol said:
I remember in this very thread when we got our first examples of transgender females running Girls HS Track.

“Huff-Get back to me when they win”
(they won)

“Get back to me when they win something big”
(D1 title)

“Nah, get back to me when they’ve won Olympic Gold”
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I don't care what Huff said, but I do think it's telling that no trans woman has ever been one of the best several players in any sport across several decades
 
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NashVol11 said:
I pointed out that the existing rules seemed to have been working just fine and that no trans woman has been "dominating" any sport ever and look how quickly someone deflected again lol
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Lol. What’s working? Girls being injured? Spot/positions taken to accommodate a mentally ill dude? Girls standing up to the nonsense and not even competing then face retaliation from looney libs? The “best” argument you’ve made was since some dudes are awful competing against girls it’s a nonissue. Absurd.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I remember in this very thread when we got our first examples of transgender females running Girls HS Track.

“Huff-Get back to me when they win”
(they won)

“Get back to me when they win something big”
(D1 title)

“Nah, get back to me when they’ve won Olympic Gold”
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In his defense I genuinely think Huff didn’t compete in any athletics and was unaware of the massive disparities between male and female athletes.

If my memory is right, after being shown the differences in male and female records huff admitted his lack of understanding. Granted I think that was a few years ago and I’m old. So I may be mistaken
 
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NashVol11 said:
I don't care what Huff said, but I do think it's telling that no trans woman has ever been one of the best several players in any sport across several decades
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Is it fair to say the xy genes give a significant advantage but not the only advantage? Or to rephrase, genes can take them so far but discipline, diet, training, etc contribute to how far they can get?
 
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McDad said:
Is it fair to say the xy genes give a significant advantage but not the only advantage? Or to rephrase, genes can take them so far but discipline, diet, training, etc contribute to how far they can get?
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I think a lot of those advantages are negated by the process of complying with the rules around hormones, etc. that those leagues already had in place, as well as by the fact that there are very few trans people as opposed to people just switching genders for the hell of it as the right constantly implied. The idea that trans women are dominating or about to dominate women's sports was always a lie and certainly didn't necessitate government intervention
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think a lot of those advantages are negated by the process of complying with the rules around hormones, etc. that those leagues already had in place, as well as by the fact that there are very few trans people as opposed to people just switching genders for the hell of it as the right constantly implied. The idea that trans women are dominating or about to dominate women's sports was always a lie and certainly didn't necessitate government intervention
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I understand what you said but you didn't really answer my question.
Mind taking another swing at it?
 
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McDad said:
I understand what you said but you didn't really answer my question.
Mind taking another swing at it?
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I did. Genetics generally provide an advantage but by the time trans women take the required steps to actually compete, I don't think they have a significant advantage. But yes, there are factors other than genes
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think a lot of those advantages are negated by the process of complying with the rules around hormones, etc. that those leagues already had in place, as well as by the fact that there are very few trans people as opposed to people just switching genders for the hell of it as the right constantly implied. The idea that trans women are dominating or about to dominate women's sports was always a lie and certainly didn't necessitate government intervention
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“Very few trans people”-what does that have to do with genetic advantage?
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think a lot of those advantages are negated by the process of complying with the rules around hormones, etc. that those leagues already had in place, as well as by the fact that there are very few trans people as opposed to people just switching genders for the hell of it as the right constantly implied. The idea that trans women are dominating or about to dominate women's sports was always a lie and certainly didn't necessitate government intervention
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Why are actual men competing against men not allowed to take steroids/hormones? Why do men have greater bone density, more muscle mass, wider shoulders, wider rib cage, less body fat, taller, etc?
 
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NashVol11 said:
I don't care what Huff said, but I do think it's telling that no trans woman has ever been one of the best several players in any sport across several decades
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World championship, national championship, and you’re still pretending none have been “one of the best”

Weird
 
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NashVol11 said:
I did. Genetics generally provide an advantage but by the time trans women take the required steps to actually compete, I don't think they have a significant advantage. But yes, there are factors other than genes
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I remember when my son was playing football in grade 4 or 5. We played a team who had a kid on the line who was twice the size of our biggest kid. He was the correct age but just huge. We were all concerned. The other team's coach had him play down to the normal sized kids level. Very good sportsmanship.
I see the similarities wrt trans athletes. Hormones are one thing and certainly a factor but muscle density, tensile strength, contraction speed, lung capacity, body frame, and other advantages are already established. Changes to their hormones have a negligible impact on those body characteristics.
So an advantage still exists. But as you've shown, it isn't the only factor.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Did you really get an ancestry dna test? I’ve always been interested in what mine would say.
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Apparently I missed this years ago.

I did and don’t. Especially if your mom’s a whore. I learned the man who raised me wasn’t my father. I think he knew, and if so I respect him even more for never telling me. It’s been wild.

But in all honesty, it’s cool information to have
 
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Vol8188 said:
Or what? We have to identify all stars or hall of famers, or what?

If we can’t find specific examples from an insanely limited pool of people, who have massive limitations on their ability to compete if even allowed to do so at all, who have only been able to compete in many of these sports for a limited span of time

But if we can’t find someone who was specifically absolutely elite (Lia Thomas was elite and because she wasn’t the absolute best you discount her)…..so what?

What in your mind does any of this prove?
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Interesting tidbit, calling Thomas "elite" is still really contextual. Thomas' best 50fr is a 22.78. That's bested by the boys 11-12yo record of 21.50. Thomas' best 100 was tied by another 11-12 age bracket boy at 47.15. The best 200 by Thomas, a 1:39.31, managed to hold off the preteen boys but the 13-14yo record is 1:34.68.

Now if you want to be more apple/apple then the men's times for last season (not records, just last season) had the 100th ranked times as 19.45, 42.83 and 1:34.18. I wasn't about to bother looking for where Thomas would actually rank in each event but it's not sniffing the top 100. As a "girl" the times are good but as a, you know, "guy" he's nothing special at all.
 
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Vol8188 said:
World championship, national championship, and you’re still pretending none have been “one of the best”

Weird
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Yes, Lia Thomas isn't one of the best female swimmers nor is that 42-year-old one of the best female cyclists. It's not debatable but you enjoy lying
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yes, Lia Thomas isn't one of the best female swimmers nor is that 42-year-old one of the best female cyclists. It's not debatable but you enjoy lying
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McKinnon, who is currently 42, was 35 when she won her first WC. So right on the younger end of the Masters classification.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Apparently I missed this years ago.

I did and don’t. Especially if your mom’s a whore. I learned the man who raised me wasn’t my father. I think he knew, and if so I respect him even more for never telling me. It’s been wild.

But in all honesty, it’s cool information to have
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For the info minded since I brought up the 100m comparison earlier the fastest legal time assigned to a female is a 10.49 which per world athletics would be tied for 7955th place among men and 419 for boys under 18.
 
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