The Problems with Trans-ideology

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bamawriter said:
Cycling had a couple of good examples.

Rachel McKinnon (born Rhys McKinnon) transition at 29, picked up cycling in her early early 30s, and within a couple of years started destroying women who had been riding their entire lives. She set the world record in the Masters 200m Sprint and won back-to-back UCI Women's Sprint World Championships.

Austin Killips similarly transitioned after puberty, began riding after her transition, and won a UCI stage event in New Mexico. She also won a single stage mountain race in North Carolina by a whopping 5 minutes (which is totally insane for a single stage). We'll never know what she might have gone on to do because UCI decided to pursue sanity and kicked biological males out of their women's races.
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Why isn't Rachel on this list of world champion sprinters? What am I missing?

UCI Track Cycling World Championships – Women's sprint - Wikipedia

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TheDirector said:
There were over 3000 female athletes that completed in California long jump and triple jump and a trans aka male won the state title in both. The odds of this continuing to happen over and over and over are impossible. Your argument that unless their marks beat the best ever females aka record holders then its fair is just ridiculous. Sorry for the inconvenient truth.
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What do you mean over and over? How are odds relevant to this? For someone who is "unfairly superior," she didn't come within 3 feet of what a biological woman in Texas did
 
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NashVol11 said:
I asked what national record she set. Is the answer "none"? You're saying that for every race she participated in, there have been hundreds of biological women that have swum the same race faster?
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Actually I edited before you posted that she won the NCAA championship.

Why are you ok with biological women being denied scholarships because of people like Lia receiving one? This might be the dumbest argument I've seen anyone engage in.
 
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NashVol11 said:
So has it had its doors blown off by a trans woman, or no?
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At the first opportunity taken by even a good male sprinter? (or even very good HS boy) Absolutely. What the vast majority of people are expressing is the desire for that opportunity to never occur.

I'd actually forgotten how incredibly emotionally invested you were in this topic. I've seen enough of your posts on other subjects to know you aren't some idiot but on this subject you are simply captured by your bias. I'll leave you to it then and try to remember that being the case.
 
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volfanhill said:
Actually I edited before you posted that she won the NCAA championship.

Why are you ok with biological women being denied scholarships because of people like Lia receiving one? This might be the dumbest argument I've seen anyone engage in.
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Again, a biological woman beat her time by a full 10 seconds. Why is asking for proof in results of this "unfair superiority" an argument? Is it because people can't answer?
 
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hndog609 said:
At the first opportunity taken by even a good male sprinter? (or even very good HS boy) Absolutely. What the vast majority of people are expressing is the desire for that opportunity to never occur.

I'd actually forgotten how incredibly emotionally invested you were in this topic. I've seen enough of your posts on other subjects to know you aren't some idiot but on this subject you are simply captured by your bias. I'll leave you to it then and try to remember that being the case.
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I'm not emotionally invested other than a desire that if people are going to gang up on and bully a minority group, it's based on actual evidence and not fearmongering
 
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NashVol11 said:
Again, a biological woman beat her time by a full 10 seconds. Why is asking for proof in results of this "unfair superiority" an argument? Is it because people can't answer?
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And the GA highschool male state champion beat Lia’s time in that event by a full 2 seconds. He's 18. Lia wss 23. And the benevfectaor of an NCAA trainging regimen
 
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NashVol11 said:
Katie Ledecky, a biological woman, beat Lia's time by nearly 10 full seconds as a college swimmer
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Wgaf? That’s not entirely relevant. The fact they all aren’t dominant is moot. However, the fact these mentally deranged people are taking a spot from a female is entirely relevant. Aside from all that it’s just simply ridiculous. Nobody expects you to get it.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Yet you've had no response and nothing but deflections. The notion that an "unfair" advantage - unfair to the point of legislation - should be easy to see in performance results isn't disingenuous at all; disingenuous would be deflecting to everyone except for trans women, as you have continued to do
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You’re essentially asking us to find a hall of fame caliber athlete from an insanely small group of people who have only been able to play in these sports for a short period of time (some can’t currently compete such as any NCAA trans athlete) and then pretending that an inability to do so negates the obvious fact of biological advantage

It’s a joke. You should be embarrassed. We are all embarrassed for you.
 
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C-south said:
Wgaf? That’s not entirely relevant. The fact they all aren’t dominant is moot. However, the fact these mentally deranged people are taking a spot from a female is entirely relevant. Aside from all that it’s just simply ridiculous. Nobody expects you to get it.
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Is ONE dominant? Is there any example or is this all based off of nothing?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re essentially asking us to find a hall of fame caliber athlete from an insanely small group of people who have only been able to play in these sports for a short period of time (some can’t currently compete such as any NCAA trans athlete) and then pretending that an inability to do so negates the obvious fact of biological advantage

It’s a joke. You should be embarrassed. We are all embarrassed for you.
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Doesn't have to be Hall of Fame. Any All-Stars? All-Americans? WBB players that were any good? Trans people have generally been allowed to compete in women's sports for as long as women's sports have existed until the last few months or so. Not one has been the best player in their sport, or anywhere close? Has a trans player even been good in a sport at the highest level?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Doesn't have to be Hall of Fame. Any All-Stars? All-Americans? WBB players that were any good? Trans people have generally been allowed to compete in women's sports for as long as women's sports have existed until the last few months or so. Not one has been the best player in their sport, or anywhere close? Has a trans player even been good in a sport at the highest level?
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Or what? We have to identify all stars or hall of famers, or what?

If we can’t find specific examples from an insanely limited pool of people, who have massive limitations on their ability to compete if even allowed to do so at all, who have only been able to compete in many of these sports for a limited span of time

But if we can’t find someone who was specifically absolutely elite (Lia Thomas was elite and because she wasn’t the absolute best you discount her)…..so what?

What in your mind does any of this prove?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Or what? We have to identify all stars or hall of famers, or what?

If we can’t find specific examples from an insanely limited pool of people, who have massive limitations on their ability to compete if even allowed to do so at all, who have only been able to compete in many of these sports for a limited span of time

But if we can’t find someone who was specifically absolutely elite (Lia Thomas was elite and because she wasn’t the absolute best you discount her)…..so what?

What in your mind does any of this prove?
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Well, if the "massive unfair advantage" never shows itself once, ever, in any sport, across several decades, then this seems to be a "solution" without a problem and based on fearmongering rather than reality. It seems like the existing limitations were working, no?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Well, if the "massive unfair advantage" never shows itself once, ever, in any sport, across several decades, then this seems to be a "solution" without a problem and based on fearmongering rather than reality. It seems like the existing limitations were working, no?
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Why did Lia Thomas go from average man to elite woman in swimming?
 
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NashVol11 said:
If she was elite, and not worse than hundreds of biological women, then she was on the Olympic team or at least invited to the Olympic trials, right?
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she was the D1 500m national champion. This is like saying Ohio State just wasn’t good enough last season.
 
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NashVol11 said:
She isn't. She won a race in the 35-44 age group haha
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How’s that not elite? She not only won, she set the world record

Drunk? High? TBI?

Because the other option is you’re the most pathetically dishonest person on this board if that’s not elite to you
 
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The "most pathetically dishonest" person would respond to the below by deflecting, for the 400th time
NashVol11 said:
Well, if the "massive unfair advantage" never shows itself once, ever, in any sport, across several decades, then this seems to be a "solution" without a problem and based on fearmongering rather than reality. It seems like the existing limitations were working, no?
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Vol8188 said:
she was the D1 500m national champion. This is like saying Ohio State just wasn’t good enough last season.
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Ohio State sent players to the next level. Did Lia Thomas take the next step to the Olympic trials, or was she not good enough compared to the biological women who did?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Is ONE dominant? Is there any example or is this all based off of nothing?
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Of course. Men inherently have more physical advantages over women. It’s been that way for our entire existence. It’s why we have separate sports for men and women.
 
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