The Problems with Trans-ideology

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Gandalf said:
Good God, do none of these idiots know who actually buys their products? how on earth could this help JD bring in more customers? It DOESNT! it will lose them customers. That means that some group that has infiltrated the corp org is using it to promote their agenda over any concern for the people who actually own the company.
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Once you become part of a worldwide corporation like this, it is all fruitcakes full steam ahead. This didn’t just happen out of the blue, check out their website, a snippet is below.

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Nobody becomes a trans because of a "feeling" or a "movement." That is nonsense. We're talking about "gender dysphoria," which is defined as
"a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

It is, by all accounts, a very serious thing--leading, as it reads above, to depression, unhappiness, etc. Nobody decides to switch genders on a whim.

In the old-school past, anybody with confused gender feelings would get the message, "just buck up and and stop nancying around." Now, like it or not, society is oriented toward giving individuals the freedom to seek their happiness. Gays have been around since the beginning of time--but they were in the closet for decades and lived very unhappy lives until the gay rights movement came along. I don't have a problem with it.

The trans phenomenon is more complex, partly if not mostly because most people with gender dysphoria don't make the full and complete transition to the opposite sex, which means surgery. Most are somewhere in between. Some take hormones, some just dress and identifty and live as transmen or transwomen. I've actually had work contact with two trans people--one fully transitioned from man to woman, with surgery and the whole bit. The other has not, as far as I know. He's a stocky individual--longtime male--who now just dresses and identifies as a woman--and it's a little odd to look at him, a burly former man dressed as woman. She might take hormones, but I don't think has had any surgery. Whatevs.

If someone is uncomfortable with their gender or sex and wants to identify differently, go for it--whatever makes you happy. I don't have a problem with it. That said, I do draw the line at athletic competition--and of course there was this huge controversy last year when a male swimmer at Penn became a transwoman--Lia Thomas-- was allowed to compete in female events by her university and by the NCAA--which had weak rules on the topic--and suddenly dominated her events AND went on to win a national title in one event. She had taken a hormone (testosterone) suppressant for a year and half--but the NCAA didn't have a rule on how low your testosterone level needed to be to compete in female events, only that you be on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. But that was the extent of it.

And it really became, for her defenders, including Penn, all about being "inclusive" and not discriminating against her desire to compete--even though in allowing her to compete Penn and the NCAA were discriminating against ALL the regular female swimmers in America. It was a big controversy in the collegiate swimming community. Nobody who's been through puberty as a male should be allowed to compete in female sporting events, IMO--and I think there is a big consensus on that point. think it will be harder for transwomen to compete in female athletic competitions going forward. The UK has just mandated a new "open" category encompassing men and transwomen, with strictly biological females competiting in women's events--and that seems fair. I think major sports bodies in all sports will tighten requirements for trans-women--as they should.

i also trend a little conservative in that I don't think we should be encouraging kids to question or think about their gender identity until they're at an age when they can do so themselves. I think conservatives have developed this fear that kids are being encouraged to be gay or trans. I don't think that's the case at all. If someone is uncomfortable in their skin, in their biological identity, they'll come to realize it at some point themselves--and that's the way it should be.

We should all be tolerant. Most everyone in the world is different in one way or the other. A lot of people don't get around the country or the world enough to realize that.
 
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OrangeBoro said:
And he makes more money than y’all and he is willing to bet has a higher “body count” Seems he’s got it all
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And bangs more lesbians. And, he's a virologist. And, smarter than everyone (he's definitely not).

It's fine... I've seen many clones like that over my time around the sun. They used to tick me off, now I just feel some pity, knowing they will eventually realize how shallow everything was and how much wisdom they needed to gain.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
And bangs more lesbians. And, he's a virologist. And, smarter than everyone (he's definitely not).

It's fine... I've seen many clones like that over my time around the sun. They used to tick me off, now I just feel some pity, knowing they will eventually realize how shallow everything was and how much wisdom they needed to gain.
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I would guess he’s under 30 and feels he has something to prove
 
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turbovol said:
Nobody becomes a trans because of a "feeling" or a "movement." That is nonsense. We're talking about "gender dysphoria," which is defined as
"a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

It is, by all accounts, a very serious thing--leading, as it reads above, to depression, unhappiness, etc. Nobody decides to switch genders on a whim.

In the old-school past, anybody with confused gender feelings would get the message, "just buck up and and stop nancying around." Now, like it or not, society is oriented toward giving individuals the freedom to seek their happiness. Gays have been around since the beginning of time--but they were in the closet for decades and lived very unhappy lives until the gay rights movement came along. I don't have a problem with it.

The trans phenomenon is more complex, partly if not mostly because most people with gender dysphoria don't make the full and complete transition to the opposite sex, which means surgery. Most are somewhere in between. Some take hormones, some just dress and identifty and live as transmen or transwomen. I've actually had work contact with two trans people--one fully transitioned from man to woman, with surgery and the whole bit. The other has not, as far as I know. He's a stocky individual--longtime male--who now just dresses and identifies as a woman--and it's a little odd to look at him, a burly former man dressed as woman. She might take hormones, but I don't think has had any surgery. Whatevs.

If someone is uncomfortable with their gender or sex and wants to identify differently, go for it--whatever makes you happy. I don't have a problem with it. That said, I do draw the line at athletic competition--and of course there was this huge controversy last year when a male swimmer at Penn became a transwoman--Lia Thomas-- was allowed to compete in female events by her university and by the NCAA--which had weak rules on the topic--and suddenly dominated her events AND went on to win a national title in one event. She had taken a hormone (testosterone) suppressant for a year and half--but the NCAA didn't have a rule on how low your testosterone level needed to be to compete in female events, only that you be on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. But that was the extent of it.

And it really became, for her defenders, including Penn, all about being "inclusive" and not discriminating against her desire to compete--even though in allowing her to compete Penn and the NCAA were discriminating against ALL the regular female swimmers in America. It was a big controversy in the collegiate swimming community. Nobody who's been through puberty as a male should be allowed to compete in female sporting events, IMO--and I think there is a big consensus on that point. think it will be harder for transwomen to compete in female athletic competitions going forward. The UK has just mandated a new "open" category encompassing men and transwomen, with strictly biological females competiting in women's events--and that seems fair. I think major sports bodies in all sports will tighten requirements for trans-women--as they should.

i also trend a little conservative in that I don't think we should be encouraging kids to question or think about their gender identity until they're at an age when they can do so themselves. I think conservatives have developed this fear that kids are being encouraged to be gay or trans. I don't think that's the case at all. If someone is uncomfortable in their skin, in their biological identity, they'll come to realize it at some point themselves--and that's the way it should be.

We should all be tolerant. Most everyone in the world is different in one way or the other. A lot of people don't get around the country or the world enough to realize that.
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Can you imagine how isolating this mental illness would make a young adult? Who is your target mate? An opposite trans person? Straight folks are a no. And gay people don't want a fake gender. What would happen when they try to engage in intimacy and all their junk is either backwards or mutilated?
 
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Democrat lawmaker loses it after state legislature Overrides Veto of Transgender sports bill: 'full of s---'

Democratic Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly vetoed the bill in March

One Democrat lawmaker in Kansas was not happy after an overwhelming number of her colleagues voted to override the veto of a bill banning transgender students from participating in girls' sports, according to a report by the Kansas Reflector.

Democratic Gov. Laura Kelly's veto of HB2238 was overridden Wednesday after both houses of the Kansas state legislature, each with a Republican supermajority, cleared the two-thirds majority required for the bill to become law.

Democrat lawmaker loses it after state legislature overrides veto of transgender sports bill: 'full of s---'
 
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turbovol said:
Nobody becomes a trans because of a "feeling" or a "movement." That is nonsense. We're talking about "gender dysphoria," which is defined as
"a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

It is, by all accounts, a very serious thing--leading, as it reads above, to depression, unhappiness, etc. Nobody decides to switch genders on a whim.

In the old-school past, anybody with confused gender feelings would get the message, "just buck up and and stop nancying around." Now, like it or not, society is oriented toward giving individuals the freedom to seek their happiness. Gays have been around since the beginning of time--but they were in the closet for decades and lived very unhappy lives until the gay rights movement came along. I don't have a problem with it.

The trans phenomenon is more complex, partly if not mostly because most people with gender dysphoria don't make the full and complete transition to the opposite sex, which means surgery. Most are somewhere in between. Some take hormones, some just dress and identifty and live as transmen or transwomen. I've actually had work contact with two trans people--one fully transitioned from man to woman, with surgery and the whole bit. The other has not, as far as I know. He's a stocky individual--longtime male--who now just dresses and identifies as a woman--and it's a little odd to look at him, a burly former man dressed as woman. She might take hormones, but I don't think has had any surgery. Whatevs.

If someone is uncomfortable with their gender or sex and wants to identify differently, go for it--whatever makes you happy. I don't have a problem with it. That said, I do draw the line at athletic competition--and of course there was this huge controversy last year when a male swimmer at Penn became a transwoman--Lia Thomas-- was allowed to compete in female events by her university and by the NCAA--which had weak rules on the topic--and suddenly dominated her events AND went on to win a national title in one event. She had taken a hormone (testosterone) suppressant for a year and half--but the NCAA didn't have a rule on how low your testosterone level needed to be to compete in female events, only that you be on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. But that was the extent of it.

And it really became, for her defenders, including Penn, all about being "inclusive" and not discriminating against her desire to compete--even though in allowing her to compete Penn and the NCAA were discriminating against ALL the regular female swimmers in America. It was a big controversy in the collegiate swimming community. Nobody who's been through puberty as a male should be allowed to compete in female sporting events, IMO--and I think there is a big consensus on that point. think it will be harder for transwomen to compete in female athletic competitions going forward. The UK has just mandated a new "open" category encompassing men and transwomen, with strictly biological females competiting in women's events--and that seems fair. I think major sports bodies in all sports will tighten requirements for trans-women--as they should.

i also trend a little conservative in that I don't think we should be encouraging kids to question or think about their gender identity until they're at an age when they can do so themselves. I think conservatives have developed this fear that kids are being encouraged to be gay or trans. I don't think that's the case at all. If someone is uncomfortable in their skin, in their biological identity, they'll come to realize it at some point themselves--and that's the way it should be.

We should all be tolerant. Most everyone in the world is different in one way or the other. A lot of people don't get around the country or the world enough to realize that.
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turbovol said:
Nobody becomes a trans because of a "feeling" or a "movement." That is nonsense. We're talking about "gender dysphoria," which is defined as
"a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."

It is, by all accounts, a very serious thing--leading, as it reads above, to depression, unhappiness, etc. Nobody decides to switch genders on a whim.

In the old-school past, anybody with confused gender feelings would get the message, "just buck up and and stop nancying around." Now, like it or not, society is oriented toward giving individuals the freedom to seek their happiness. Gays have been around since the beginning of time--but they were in the closet for decades and lived very unhappy lives until the gay rights movement came along. I don't have a problem with it.

The trans phenomenon is more complex, partly if not mostly because most people with gender dysphoria don't make the full and complete transition to the opposite sex, which means surgery. Most are somewhere in between. Some take hormones, some just dress and identifty and live as transmen or transwomen. I've actually had work contact with two trans people--one fully transitioned from man to woman, with surgery and the whole bit. The other has not, as far as I know. He's a stocky individual--longtime male--who now just dresses and identifies as a woman--and it's a little odd to look at him, a burly former man dressed as woman. She might take hormones, but I don't think has had any surgery. Whatevs.

If someone is uncomfortable with their gender or sex and wants to identify differently, go for it--whatever makes you happy. I don't have a problem with it. That said, I do draw the line at athletic competition--and of course there was this huge controversy last year when a male swimmer at Penn became a transwoman--Lia Thomas-- was allowed to compete in female events by her university and by the NCAA--which had weak rules on the topic--and suddenly dominated her events AND went on to win a national title in one event. She had taken a hormone (testosterone) suppressant for a year and half--but the NCAA didn't have a rule on how low your testosterone level needed to be to compete in female events, only that you be on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. But that was the extent of it.

And it really became, for her defenders, including Penn, all about being "inclusive" and not discriminating against her desire to compete--even though in allowing her to compete Penn and the NCAA were discriminating against ALL the regular female swimmers in America. It was a big controversy in the collegiate swimming community. Nobody who's been through puberty as a male should be allowed to compete in female sporting events, IMO--and I think there is a big consensus on that point. think it will be harder for transwomen to compete in female athletic competitions going forward. The UK has just mandated a new "open" category encompassing men and transwomen, with strictly biological females competiting in women's events--and that seems fair. I think major sports bodies in all sports will tighten requirements for trans-women--as they should.

i also trend a little conservative in that I don't think we should be encouraging kids to question or think about their gender identity until they're at an age when they can do so themselves. I think conservatives have developed this fear that kids are being encouraged to be gay or trans. I don't think that's the case at all. If someone is uncomfortable in their skin, in their biological identity, they'll come to realize it at some point themselves--and that's the way it should be.

We should all be tolerant. Most everyone in the world is different in one way or the other. A lot of people don't get around the country or the world enough to realize that.
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Aren't a sense and a feeling virtually the same thing???
 
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I will be deleting all Anheuser-Busch products from my tour hospitality rider. I know many other artists who are doing the same.
Other artists who are deleting Anheuser-Busch products from their hospitality rider might not say so in public for fear of being ridiculed and cancelled. I have no such fear.
In full disclosure, I was on a tour sponsored by Budweiser in the 90’s. That was when Anheuser-Busch was American owned. A great American company that later sold out to the Europeans and became unrecognizable to the American consumer. Such a shame.

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High School Runner Not Feeling Great About Her Chances Against The Girl With The Beard
 
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#991
drvenner said:
This is truly unbelievable. As bad as everything was, to allow him to change clothes with female swimmers goes beyond the pale. I am disgusted and very concerned. I have no care at all if someone wants to identify as a specific gender. Do what you want. Do not use this identity to abuse a system in the name of inclusion. I am sick.
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It’s where the slippery slope people were talking about years ago ends up. When you just allow anything, people will try everything.
 
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Here’s my issue with all of this. The left has simply found a new way to castrate gay men. No different than they were doing 100 years ago, but this time they’re convincing them to do it to themselves while they’re young and impressionable.

Clarkson Lawson on Instagram: "If we care about “gay rights” why aren’t we talking about these children’s right to bodily autonomy knowing 80% of them grow out of it and most likely end up gay? The gay community is hurting it’s own under the guise of being “inclusive.” #gayrepublican #gayconservative #lgbt #gay #republican #conservative"
 
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LadyVolette said:
I know you are just being sarcastic, but I am a Registered Nurse, and I worked in behavioral health for almost five years lol... I think we saw one legit body dysmorphia inpatient (a man)... most inpatient adolescent girls with eating disorders.. it is usually control related rather than dysmorphia.. on an outpatient basis.. that runs more of mixed bag...but true dysmorphia is not that common...and by the way, you are quite the misogynist..which I find to be quite common with Liberal men
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Sorry, Nurse* Volette.

I don't think I claimed it was common. I'd wager it affects less than 5% of the population. You're the one who pretty much said it doesn't exist, and that all women are just putting up a front and fishing for compliments from men (before accusing ME of misogyny 🤣).

I certainly have some sexist tendencies. Won't deny it. However, I take issue with your referring to me as liberal. It's been demonstrated on multiple occasions that you believe in a larger government than I do.

I'd bet 30000 VN bucks that I score more conservatively on a spectrum than you would, and it wouldn't be close.
 
#996
#996
OrangeBoro said:
And he makes more money than y’all and he is willing to bet has a higher “body count” Seems he’s got it all
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What can I say? I'm kind of crushing it.

What's an acceptable response to a bunch of dumb ****s attempting to denigrate my sexuality and how I make a living? It's an absurd way to try and attack me 🤣
 
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#997
Vol8188 said:
Agreed but that’s a different topic. “I don’t have to tell you I did something illegal” is different than “it’s not illegal” which has been his angle.

That and I’m really enjoying the insults and appeals to authority. “You don’t get it because you’re not a business owner! You’re ignorant as ****! Did your parents fight a lot”
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I meant to ask how many kids you had when you were preaching about the societal obligations of fathering children.
 
#1,000
#1,000
turbovol said:
Nobody becomes a trans because of a "feeling" or a "movement." That is nonsense. We're talking about "gender dysphoria," which is defined as
"a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life."
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Of course they do. That's why 80% or more (depending on the study you look at) go on to live normal cis-gendered lives. Idk what your definition you've provided changes about any of that. The truth is the greater "harmful impact on daily life" is hormone therapy because then nearly 100% of those kids remain trans-gendered for life. So if you agree that gender dysphoria has a "harmful impact on daily life" you should be on our side of ending "gender affirming care"

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It is, by all accounts, a very serious thing--leading, as it reads above, to depression, unhappiness, etc. Nobody decides to switch genders on a whim.
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There's numerous accounts of people who have detransitioned because they were lead into this when they were too young to fully understand the ramifications, so there goes that argument. But once again if this is so very serious and leads to such great unhappiness and depression, why encourage it?

turbovol said:
In the old-school past, anybody with confused gender feelings would get the message, "just buck up and and stop nancying around." Now, like it or not, society is oriented toward giving individuals the freedom to seek their happiness. Gays have been around since the beginning of time--but they were in the closet for decades and lived very unhappy lives until the gay rights movement came along. I don't have a problem with it.
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I don't either. I think hedonism ultimately destroys you, but you're welcome to do it. What I do have a problem with is castrating young gay men and ruining their lives.

turbovol said:
The trans phenomenon is more complex, partly if not mostly because most people with gender dysphoria don't make the full and complete transition to the opposite sex, which means surgery. Most are somewhere in between. Some take hormones, some just dress and identifty and live as transmen or transwomen. I've actually had work contact with two trans people--one fully transitioned from man to woman, with surgery and the whole bit. The other has not, as far as I know. He's a stocky individual--longtime male--who now just dresses and identifies as a woman--and it's a little odd to look at him, a burly former man dressed as woman. She might take hormones, but I don't think has had any surgery. Whatevs.
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Sounds like someone in need of mental healthcare. I hope they get it and that their life can still be salvaged.

turbovol said:
If someone is uncomfortable with their gender or sex and wants to identify differently, go for it--whatever makes you happy. I don't have a problem with it. That said, I do draw the line at athletic competition--and of course there was this huge controversy last year when a male swimmer at Penn became a transwoman--Lia Thomas-- was allowed to compete in female events by her university and by the NCAA--which had weak rules on the topic--and suddenly dominated her events AND went on to win a national title in one event. She had taken a hormone (testosterone) suppressant for a year and half--but the NCAA didn't have a rule on how low your testosterone level needed to be to compete in female events, only that you be on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. But that was the extent of it.
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Identify as you wish, sure. But that shouldn't place requirements on me. That's where the problem comes in. And biological men should never compete against biological women regardless of hormone levels. The athletic advantage of males is not depleted by x years of estrogen. In fact, it increases some of the advantages (bone density)

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And it really became, for her defenders, including Penn, all about being "inclusive" and not discriminating against her desire to compete--even though in allowing her to compete Penn and the NCAA were discriminating against ALL the regular female swimmers in America. It was a big controversy in the collegiate swimming community. Nobody who's been through puberty as a male should be allowed to compete in female sporting events, IMO--and I think there is a big consensus on that point. think it will be harder for transwomen to compete in female athletic competitions going forward. The UK has just mandated a new "open" category encompassing men and transwomen, with strictly biological females competiting in women's events--and that seems fair. I think major sports bodies in all sports will tighten requirements for trans-women--as they should.

i also trend a little conservative in that I don't think we should be encouraging kids to question or think about their gender identity until they're at an age when they can do so themselves. I think conservatives have developed this fear that kids are being encouraged to be gay or trans. I don't think that's the case at all. If someone is uncomfortable in their skin, in their biological identity, they'll come to realize it at some point themselves--and that's the way it should be.

We should all be tolerant. Most everyone in the world is different in one way or the other. A lot of people don't get around the country or the world enough to realize that.
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The bolded is you trying to take a nice middle of the road stance, but comes off just as crazy as anything else you'd see on the left because what you're basically saying is "raise a they-by". Your child's "gender" identity should be aligned with their sex. If it's not, there's a problem that you should address through mental healthcare. Sadly, our system is broken and if you tried to help that child, the mental healthcare specialists will try to make things worse by transitioning your child because of their "always affirmative approach to gender dysphoria".

If kids aren't being encouraged to be trans or gay then we wouldn't see the massive spike in transgenderism, especially among middle school girls, and we would also see decreases in suicidality. Because the left argument is "they kill themselves because people aren't accepting" and "there's more trans people today because people are more accepting"; if that's true you'd see rates of trans increase and rates of trans suicide decrease. We are only seeing one of those things happen and it's happening at an unbelievable level.
 
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